Dear Protestants ... please explain John 1:42

[Buzzard3]

From a non-Catholic perspective, we all represent Christ as little stones (per 1 Peter 2). Peter is one of the foundation stones, along with the other Apostles and Prophets, ... but Christ is the Chief Cornerstone.

Sounds fair enough, although I don’t know where you got “little stones” from.

 

[Buzzard3]

I am telling you the truth

Thanks for that ... it's your funniest comment yet!

 

[Buzzard3]

Somehow you believe that someone can obey the ten commandments?

Wrong again. God is not expecting perfect obedience, which is impossible due to our fallen nature.

One reason for the commandments is that we demonstrate of love of God by obeying his commandments - Jesus said "If you love me, you will keep my commandments" (John 14:15). Keeping his commandments is not always easy, but God is testing our love for him by our response to keeping the commandments.

Another reason for the commandments is that it promotes peace and harmony, both in individual lives and in wider society.

 

[A_Thinker]

Sounds fair enough, although I don’t know where you got “little stones” from.

1 Peter 2

2 As newborn babes, long for the spiritual milk which is without guile, that ye may grow thereby unto salvation; 3 if ye have tasted that the Lord is gracious:

4 unto whom coming, a living stone, rejected indeed of men, but with God elect, precious,

5 You also, as living stones, are built up a spiritual house, to be a holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices, acceptable to God through Jesus Christ.

 

[corinth77777]

John 1:42 describes the very first time Jesus met Simon, who became an apostle (aka Peter). Jesus said to Simon, "You are Simon, the son of Jonah. You shall be called Cephas (which translates as 'Peter' and means 'rock')".

Why did Jesus give the name "rock" to a man he'd just met ... in fact it was the very first thing he ever said to him!

You don't know? Well, here's a hint: Read Matt 16:18

 

[corinth77777]

John 1:42 describes the very first time Jesus met Simon, who became an apostle (aka Peter). Jesus said to Simon, "You are Simon, the son of Jonah. You shall be called Cephas (which translates as 'Peter' and means 'rock')".

Why did Jesus give the name "rock" to a man he'd just met ... in fact it was the very first thing he ever said to him!

You don't know? Well, here's a hint: Read Matt 16:18

Revelation of Jesus from God about who His Son is.....there is no other foundation one can lay other than Jesus Christ....Jesus the Christ...
Foundation was proclaimed out of Peter's mouth

 

[Buzzard3]

Revelation of Jesus from God about who His Son is.....there is no other foundation one can lay other than Jesus Christ....Jesus the Christ...
Foundation was proclaimed out of Peter's mouth

So why Jesus gave Simon the name "rock" the very first time 5he met (John 1:42)?
The words "rock" and "foundation" can mean the same thing in the NT.

 

[corinth77777]

So why Jesus gave Simon the name "rock" the very first time 5he met (John 1:42)?
The words "rock" and "foundation" can mean the same thing in the NT.

Because.. the church is built off of Christ...Christ is the Rock...and peter is piece of building...God gave Peter that Revelation...and we will have the Spirit of God in us to reveal things to us as well. One must be born from above.

 

[BNR32FAN]

Yes BNRFAN, Peter was obedient to the entire law. What your missing, is that Peter was compelling the Gentiles to live like Jews!

Living like a Jew is not just about avoiding the breaking the bread together (Mass), with Gentiles. The law stipulated that Jews must not associate with Gentiles. Gentiles were dogs, unholy, sinners.

Living like a Jew is following the dictates of the law, circumcision is the outward marker of Judaism. The law is what gave meaning to the two terms, Jew, Gentile.

Peter was retreating into Jewish legalism in all it's glory. Paul did not rebuke Peter to his face in Antioch because Peter would not eat with the Gentiles. It was seriously much more than that, Peter was teaching the Gentiles legal obedience.

Paul specifically said that Peter was living as a Gentile not a Jew.

 

[corinth77777]

Because.. the church is built off of Christ...Christ is the Rock...and peter is piece of building...God gave Peter that Revelation...and we will have the Spirit of God in us to reveal things to us as well. One must be born from above.

One must be born from above
God revealed who Jesus was to Peter
Peter confessed..He owned up to the condition of His soul.....We are born from above when we believe who Jesus is.
CHRIST IS THE ROCK that the "builders rejected"
Why is Peter called little rock because the church (little rocks) are built off the stabilizing cornerstone Christ.

"20 And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone;"

 

[corinth77777]

One must be born from above
God revealed who Jesus was to Peter
Peter confessed..He owned up to the condition of His soul.....We are born from above when we believe who Jesus is.
CHRIST IS THE ROCK that the "builders rejected"
Why is Peter called little rock because the church (little rocks) are built off the stabilizing cornerstone Christ.

"20 And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone;"

And let me add:
(1 Pet. 2:4–7.)
..............
2 Wherefore laying aside all malice, and all guile, and hypocrisies, and envies, and all evil speakings,

2 As newborn babes, desire the sincere milk of the word, that ye may grow thereby:

3 If so be ye have tasted that the Lord is gracious.

4 To whom coming, as unto a living stone, disallowed indeed of men, but chosen of God, and precious,

5 Ye also, as lively stones, are built up a spiritual house, an holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices, acceptable to God by Jesus Christ.

6 Wherefore also it is contained in the scripture, Behold, I lay in Sion a chief corner stone, elect, precious: and he that believeth on him shall not be confounded.

7 Unto you therefore which believe he is precious: but unto them which be disobedient, the stone which the builders disallowed, the same is made the head of the corner,

8 And a stone of stumbling, and a rock of offence, even to them which stumble at the word, being disobedient: whereunto also they were appointed.

9 But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light;

10 Which in time past were not a people, but are now the people of God: which had not obtained mercy, but now have obtained mercy.

11 Dearly beloved, I beseech you as strangers and pilgrims, abstain from fleshly lusts, which war against the soul;

12 Having your conversation honest among the Gentiles: that, whereas they speak against you as evildoers, they may by your good works, which they shall behold, glorify God in the day of ....................

 

[klutedavid]

Paul specifically said that Peter was living as a Gentile not a Jew.

My mistake, thanks. Peter was not following the law himself but was compelling the Gentiles, to follow the law. That is why Paul confronted Peter at Antioch.

 

[BNR32FAN]

My mistake, thanks. Peter was not following the law himself but was compelling the Gentiles, to follow the law. That is why Paul confronted Peter at Antioch.

Amen yes I agree but he wasn’t doing it intentionally he was doing it inadvertently. By not eating with them while the Jews were present he was sending the message that what they were doing was wrong and that they should refrain from it. He wasn’t openly teaching or stating it but by his actions he was sending that message.

 

[klutedavid]

Amen yes I agree but he wasn’t doing it intentionally he was doing it inadvertently. By not eating with them while the Jews were present he was sending the message that what they were doing was wrong and that they should refrain from it. He wasn’t openly teaching or stating it but by his actions he was sending that message.

The text does not clarify whether Peter, was directly or indirectly, telling the Gentiles to live like Jews.

Interesting though, is that Paul includes the Jerusalem church in his letter to the Galatians.

Obviously, Paul is warning the Galatians about the source of that legalism. Paul is directly warning the Galatians to not wander down that path of legalism. The alternate gospel.

 

[Buzzard3]

1 Peter 2

2 As newborn babes, long for the spiritual milk which is without guile, that ye may grow thereby unto salvation; 3 if ye have tasted that the Lord is gracious:

4 unto whom coming, a living stone, rejected indeed of men, but with God elect, precious,

5 You also, as living stones, are built up a spiritual house, to be a holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices, acceptable to God through Jesus Christ.

It says "living stones", so where did you get "little stones" from?

 

[BobRyan]

Paul specifically said that Peter was living as a Gentile not a Jew.

Because he was 'eating with gentiles'. In Acts 11 Peter points out that it was traditionally "unlawful" for Jews to do that (by the law of their tradition not their scriptures)

How is this related to John 1 or Matt 16??

 

[BNR32FAN]

Because he was 'eating with gentiles'. In Acts 11 Peter points out that it was traditionally "unlawful" for Jews to do that (by the law of their tradition not their scriptures)

How is this related to John 1 or Matt 16??

Which verses are you referring to in those chapters?

 

[BNR32FAN]

Because he was 'eating with gentiles'. In Acts 11 Peter points out that it was traditionally "unlawful" for Jews to do that (by the law of their tradition not their scriptures)

How is this related to John 1 or Matt 16??

Oh I see your point I got drug into a side topic that originated from the main topic.

 

[FredVB]

John 1:42 describes the very first time Jesus met Simon, who became an apostle (aka Peter). Jesus said to Simon, "You are Simon, the son of Jonah. You shall be called Cephas (which translates as 'Peter' and means 'rock')". Why did Jesus give the name "rock" to a man he'd just met ... in fact it was the very first thing he ever said to him!
You don't know? Well, here's a hint: Read Matt 16:18

Peter was important in the foundation of the church. That is the case whether there were popes or not, in fact they are irrelevant to that. This rock that the church was built on was Peter's confession to Jesus, "You are the Christ, the Son of the living God."

Because he was 'eating with gentiles'. In Acts 11 Peter points out that it was traditionally "unlawful" for Jews to do that (by the law of their tradition not their scriptures)

How is this related to John 1 or Matt 16??

There are many things done in churches, actually maybe most things including the very structures of the buildings, that are from traditions and not from the Bible. The issue we should see is just with those traditions elevated to being as scriptures of the Bible for believers going there, and those should be questioned when they are put in place of things from God's revelation, and any of those having God's perfect will being totally disregarded.

 

[boughtwithaprice]

Peter was important in the foundation of the church. That is the case whether there were popes or not, in fact they are irrelevant to that. This rock that the church was built on was Peter's confession to Jesus, "You are the Christ, the Son of the living God."

How do you come to the conclusion that the rock was Peter's confession, and not Peter himself.
In scripture, Jesus appears to be talking directly to Peter. You are the rock and on this rock, defines an object, Peter, and refers the object as built upon. Our Lord even says He will give him the keys of the kingdom of heaven. He did not say that to a confession, but to a person, Peter.

The argument of Petra vs Petros has been explained due to the masculine vs feminine nouns of the language. If Our Lord had meant Peter was a little rock, He would have called him Lithos. Even so, how is calling Peter a little rock lead us to the conclusion that the real rock is a confession?

It is not a plain reading of scripture but an interpretation meant to fit a human conclusion