dealing with disruptive members....

[IntoTheCrimsonSky]

How do you know I wasn't already mad when you met me?

Rofl. Well, you've just passed the mod qualifications right there.

I spend more than that amount of time in a week as it is.

Same here, but I did find it kind of hard to get used to spending 90% of it modding rather than posting. I rarely get to participate now.

Granted, some more people on staff would help.

Now that is disappointing! I'd want to mod the PROG forum. However, I guess if the 'big guy(s)' did some shifting it wouldn't be so bad.

Yes, and they do say that you won't be put somewhere you'd be uncomfortable. I'm getting used to the idea. Although I'm thinking if you modded the Prog forum you'd still be expected to mod the rest of the SDA forum, as I don't think they're still going with seperate mods in the new system.

(Correct me if I'm wrong, Sophia)

Yes, it is. It would be more fair if we could see what was happening, even if we weren't allowed to comment. It would hold the spite reporters (and all of us) more responsible for making reports.

Very much agreed. The commenting had it's problems, but I believe right now it's in the works for a reported member to be able to see and respond in the reports against them. That would help.

Well, I was given an RV for stating that statements on the main forum should confirm Jesus Christ, with no explanation given. I'm sure you got my PM's.

Did someone reply to you about that yet? We got the PM, and there was a discussion about more of a group reply since it was addressed to all of it..and then I lost track of it.

Yeah, I knew there were other reports that went out. But I'd bet that the rest don't equal what was generated (and is still being generated) from one particular poster. It's been par for the course.

In Christ alone...

Without saying too much here, being that it's complete privacy in regards to who reports, I will say that it's pretty fair grounds in most situations as to the reports on both sides of things.

As for a prior comment from Night about a rule against flood reporting, I'm not sure..but if the reports are being ruled valid for the most part, there's no real problem with it. It's just a little more work.

 

[IntoTheCrimsonSky]

Until I actually see him banned from our area, it's all just words Crimson.

We have several individuals who have had it with him and are fed up. What more does it take?

If I understand correctly, FSB's aren't being used anymore. (I still need my training on the new system, though)

Thusly, only site wide bans can be placed. This takes more than a few members not liking a person.

Anyway, the mods are looking into all cases involved, regardless of how it looks out here.

 

[Sophia7]

If I understand correctly, FSB's aren't being used anymore. (I still need my training on the new system, though)

Thusly, only site wide bans can be placed. This takes more than a few members not liking a person.

Anyway, the mods are looking into all cases involved, regardless of how it looks out here.

FSBs can still be used.

 

[Sophia7]

Rofl. Well, you've just passed the mod qualifications right there.




Same here, but I did find it kind of hard to get used to spending 90% of it modding rather than posting. I rarely get to participate now.

Granted, some more people on staff would help.

Yes, more staff members would help.

Yes, and they do say that you won't be put somewhere you'd be uncomfortable. I'm getting used to the idea. Although I'm thinking if you modded the Prog forum you'd still be expected to mod the rest of the SDA forum, as I don't think they're still going with seperate mods in the new system.

(Correct me if I'm wrong, Sophia)

As I understand it, a mod could be assigned only to the Prog sub-forum or only to the rest of the SDA forum areas, but that would be decided by the admins, based on which mods would be most appropriate for a particular forum, rather than on the previous elections by the members. Some of the staff assignments are still being worked out. A lot has changed under this new system.

Very much agreed. The commenting had it's problems, but I believe right now it's in the works for a reported member to be able to see and respond in the reports against them. That would help.

That's true. Not sure when it will happen, though. I think there's a lot of coding that needs to be done first.

As for a prior comment from Night about a rule against flood reporting, I'm not sure..but if the reports are being ruled valid for the most part, there's no real problem with it. It's just a little more work.

Making lots of reports isn't against the rules.

 

[IntoTheCrimsonSky]

FSBs can still be used.

Ironically, I just read that. I'd probably heard speculation awhile back in regards to it. I'll be glad when my training's done. Hopefully tomorrow.

 

[IntoTheCrimsonSky]

Yes, more staff members would help.

As I understand it, a mod could be assigned only to the Prog sub-forum or only to the rest of the SDA forum areas, but that would be decided by the admins, based on which mods would be most appropriate for a particular forum, rather than on the previous elections by the members. Some of the staff assignments are still being worked out. A lot has changed under this new system.

That's true. Not sure when it will happen, though. I think there's a lot of coding that needs to be done first.

Making lots of reports isn't against the rules.

Really? Hm. I didn't know they would still assign for just sub-forums. Well, that's cool, then. I guess it'll be more of an honor base, though, or are they still going to only place the name in the appropriate sub-forum?

 

[Sophia7]

Really? Hm. I didn't know they would still assign for just sub-forums. Well, that's cool, then. I guess it'll be more of an honor base, though, or are they still going to only place the name in the appropriate sub-forum?

I think they could do that. It would be kind of a rare situation, though. And I'm still not sure what's going to happen with the Prog sub-forum mods yet.

 

[honorthesabbath]

Just so the public doesn't get an unbalanced 'reports report'--someone reported me FOUR (4) times the other day in the space of 45 minutes.

Three of those reports came in from a thread that had been locked for 5 days before the reporter submitted them. Looks pretty suspicious doesn't it?

 

[AndrewK788]

Just so the public doesn't get an unbalanced 'reports report'--someone reported me FOUR (4) times the other day in the space of 45 minutes.

Three of those reports came in from a thread that had been locked for 5 days before the reporter submitted them. Looks pretty suspicious doesn't it?

I'm very well aware that the reporting wars go both ways in these forums. Personally, I've never been reported, nor have I ever reported someone. If I have an issue with someone I'll simply talk to them. In my opinion, I think the staff of this site should create some stiff penalties for those who abuse the reporting privilege.

 

[StormyOne]

I'm very well aware that the reporting wars go both ways in these forums. Personally, I've never been reported, nor have I ever reported someone. If I have an issue with someone I'll simply talk to them. In my opinion, I think the staff of this site should create some stiff penalties for those who abuse the reporting privilege.

no, staff should simply deal with the problem, they know who he is and how long he has been a problem..... in the meantime members get harassed, discussions derailed, and threads closed because he is allowed to do whatever he wants to do.....

 

[AndrewK788]

no, staff should simply deal with the problem, they know who he is and how long he has been a problem..... in the meantime members get harassed, discussions derailed, and threads closed because he is allowed to do whatever he wants to do.....

Maybe but if there were negative consequences for reporting with no legitimate reason, wouldn't that help?

 

[IntoTheCrimsonSky]

Maybe but if there were negative consequences for reporting with no legitimate reason, wouldn't that help?

The problem is that if a post is in violation, then there's a legitament reason for reporting it..even if the thread was closed. Sure, it could have been looked past in some cases, but still. Very few reported posts are actually no violation.

So, unless we actually created a report limit for every member a day, there's no real way to judge it. And a report limit wouldn't work because there are cases, like yesterday, where a lot of posts were needed to be reported.

 

[tall73]

Very few reported posts are actually no violation.

That wasn't the case when I was on staff.

If it is true there are only so many reasons why it might be true:

A. Posters only report violations.
B. The new rules do not nail down definitions so many things can be considered violations.
C. Mods error in favor of violations when in doubt.
D. Anything "offensive" is considered a violation, though it may not violate the rules.

Any insight into which of the above apply?

 

[reddogs]

That wasn't the case when I was on staff.

If it is true there are only so many reasons why it might be true:

A. Posters only report violations.
B. The new rules do not nail down definitions so many things can be considered violations.
C. Mods error in favor of violations when in doubt.
D. Anything "offensive" is considered a violation, though it may not violate the rules.

Any insight into which of the above apply?

I would say there is a definite return to the bad old days of 'hate and rancor', and until certain people who are causing the majority of the reports cease, we will continue with it......

 

[Sophia7]

There definitely are many reports made that are ruled no violation, not just in the SDA forum, but across the site. Please be patient with the mods, though, everyone. They have a tough job, and they're trying to be as fair as possible while catching flak from both sides. All posts that are determined to be in violation of the rules will be dealt with (and if you disagree that your post was a rule violation, you may appeal the decision), and posters who continually break the rules will end up getting banned quickly under the new rules unless they change their behavior.

 

[freeindeed2]

Rofl. Well, you've just passed the mod qualifications right there.

LOL.

Did someone reply to you about that yet? We got the PM, and there was a discussion about more of a group reply since it was addressed to all of it..and then I lost track of it.

Never heard back and I sent it to all the mods. Stating that posts on the main forum need to confirm Jesus should not be grounds for a warning. It should be commended! Instead I received a warning.

 

[LightWorker1967]

The problem is that if a post is in violation, then there's a legitament reason for reporting it..even if the thread was closed. Sure, it could have been looked past in some cases, but still. Very few reported posts are actually no violation.

So, unless we actually created a report limit for every member a day, there's no real way to judge it. And a report limit wouldn't work because there are cases, like yesterday, where a lot of posts were needed to be reported.

I wonder why people assume they will get along in heaven? Maybe if we can't get along here, we can get along there.

There's probably some kind of reform school for the grumpy—located somewhere between here and there. With a one-year quick course for the teachable all the way to a 100-year slow course for the dense.

And maybe things like Adventist Marriage Encounter and Traffic School will be busier than ever!

Hmmm . . .

 

[NightEternal]

no, staff should simply deal with the problem, they know who he is and how long he has been a problem..... in the meantime members get harassed, discussions derailed, and threads closed because he is allowed to do whatever he wants to do.....

BINGO.

 

[IntoTheCrimsonSky]

That wasn't the case when I was on staff.

If it is true there are only so many reasons why it might be true:

A. Posters only report violations.
B. The new rules do not nail down definitions so many things can be considered violations.
C. Mods error in favor of violations when in doubt.
D. Anything "offensive" is considered a violation, though it may not violate the rules.

Any insight into which of the above apply?

I probably should have worded that as being since I joined staff. I have only seen a handful of NV's compared to countless RV's in the past couple months.

 

[freeindeed2]

I probably should have worded that as being since I joined staff. I have only seen a handful of NV's compared to countless RV's in the past couple months.

Hi Crimson. Check you PM's. Woob has made about 8 or 9 reports against me from one thread in the past half hour or so. My inclination is to begin reporting every post he makes, however, I would like to believe that the mods will see the problem that has stirred up an oncoming fire storm. If the mods won't deal with the problem I and others will begin making multiple reports on every post he makes. It's not a threat, it's just the same tactics he's using to try and lash out at those he does not like. I'd rather just continue discussing, but he is making it difficult to do so and is making my time here miserable as well as others.

If the mods of this forum cannot or are unable to deal with the problem, who can we contact that IS able to deal with it? He was almost at a site-wide ban prior, but now he is able to basically say and do whatever he wishes, while I get warned for stating that what is posted on the main forum should confirm Christ.

So, what's it going to be? Are your hands tied somehow? Who do we speak to whose hands are not tied?

Respectfully, and in Christ alone...a frustrated member...