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Day 21, Proverbs Chapter 21

Discussion in 'Proverbs - A Chapter a Day' started by katerinah1947, Jul 20, 2015.

  1. katerinah1947

    katerinah1947 Well-Known Member Supporter

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    Proverbs 21


    Proverbs 21New International Version (NIV)

    21 In the Lord’s hand the king’s heart is a stream of water
    that he channels toward all who please him.

    2 A person may think their own ways are right,
    but the Lord weighs the heart.

    3 To do what is right and just
    is more acceptable to the Lord than sacrifice.

    4 Haughty eyes and a proud heart—
    the unplowed field of the wicked—produce sin.

    5 The plans of the diligent lead to profit
    as surely as haste leads to poverty.

    6 A fortune made by a lying tongue
    is a fleeting vapor and a deadly snare.[a]

    7 The violence of the wicked will drag them away,
    for they refuse to do what is right.

    8 The way of the guilty is devious,
    but the conduct of the innocent is upright.

    9 Better to live on a corner of the roof
    than share a house with a quarrelsome wife.

    10 The wicked crave evil;
    their neighbors get no mercy from them.

    11 When a mocker is punished, the simple gain wisdom;
    by paying attention to the wise they get knowledge.

    12 The Righteous One[b] takes note of the house of the wicked
    and brings the wicked to ruin.

    13 Whoever shuts their ears to the cry of the poor
    will also cry out and not be answered.

    14 A gift given in secret soothes anger,
    and a bribe concealed in the cloak pacifies great wrath.

    15 When justice is done, it brings joy to the righteous
    but terror to evildoers.

    16 Whoever strays from the path of prudence
    comes to rest in the company of the dead.

    17 Whoever loves pleasure will become poor;
    whoever loves wine and olive oil will never be rich.

    18 The wicked become a ransom for the righteous,
    and the unfaithful for the upright.

    19 Better to live in a desert
    than with a quarrelsome and nagging wife.

    20 The wise store up choice food and olive oil,
    but fools gulp theirs down.

    21 Whoever pursues righteousness and love
    finds life, prosperity[c] and honor.

    22 One who is wise can go up against the city of the mighty
    and pull down the stronghold in which they trust.

    23 Those who guard their mouths and their tongues
    keep themselves from calamity.

    24 The proud and arrogant person—“Mocker” is his name—
    behaves with insolent fury.

    25 The craving of a sluggard will be the death of him,
    because his hands refuse to work.
    26 All day long he craves for more,
    but the righteous give without sparing.

    27 The sacrifice of the wicked is detestable—
    how much more so when brought with evil intent!

    28 A false witness will perish,
    but a careful listener will testify successfully.

    29 The wicked put up a bold front,
    but the upright give thought to their ways.

    30 There is no wisdom, no insight, no plan
    that can succeed against the Lord.

    31 The horse is made ready for the day of battle,
    but victory rests with the Lord.

    Footnotes:
    1. Proverbs 21:6 Some Hebrew manuscripts, Septuagint and Vulgate; most Hebrew manuscripts vapor for those who seek death
    2. Proverbs 21:12 Or The righteous person
    3. Proverbs 21:21 Or righteousness
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  2. katerinah1947

    katerinah1947 Well-Known Member Supporter

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    Hi,
    It is 1:30 AM, in Lisbon Portugal. It is the 21st.
    LOVE,
    ...Mary., .... .
     
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  4. YESLORDIWILL

    YESLORDIWILL Have you not read? 1Sa 20-22, Ps 52

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    Pro 21:23 Whoso keepeth his mouth and his tongue keepeth his soul from troubles. 28 A false witness shall perish: but the man that heareth speaketh constantly.

    Selah
     
  5. brinny

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    In reading Proverbs 21, verses 2, 3, 13, 21, and 27 stood out for me:

    verse 2 "Every way of a man is right in his own eyes: but the LORD pondereth the hearts." God sees the heart, the bottom line of what is behind what EVERYONE does. Even if it looks "right" to others, God looks on the heart. Man is full of injustices and contrariness and short-sighted-ness. Man can "seem" kind if he defends and rescues beasts and animals, and yet not recognize the smallest and most helpless of humans as human beings (pre-born babies) and actively support and even participate in the slaughter of these littlest ones and not blink an eye. (Reminds me of this: "the tender mercies of the wicked are cruel." ~Proverbs 12:10)

    verse 3 "To do justice and judgment is more acceptable to the LORD than sacrifice." God is not interested in "sacrifices" that are meaningless, and that is because the one making the "sacrifice" does not do justice and defend those who have no voice to defend themselves. Their "heart" is not right before God, just as Cain's wasn't before he killed his brother Abel, in cold blood. He had a treacherous heart. God speaks on "sacrifice given for the wrong motive", etc. all throughout the Bible.

    verse 13 "Whoso stoppeth his ears at the cry of the poor, he also shall cry himself, but shall not be heard." This is an abomination to God. One who does this is, in essence, pronouncing a curse on oneself. They reap what they sow.

    verse 21 "He that followeth after righteousness and mercy findeth life, righteousness, and honour." This interesting combination are actually synonyms, in that one cannot be righteous without being merciful.

    verse 27 "The sacrifice of the wicked is abomination: how much more, when he bringeth it with a wicked mind?" This reminds me of Cain.....his sacrifices were an abomination to God. His wicked heart condition became apparent when he conspired to, and pre-meditated the killing of his brother, and then actually carried it out, in cold-blood. His mind and his heart was wicked the entire time, even as he brought his "sacrifices" to God. God knew this, because He already knows and can see the intents and purposes of our hearts, and all that is hidden and not seen by others. It is not hidden from God. What is most profound here, is that when God questioned Cain about his brother, Cain answers with a sarcastic quip to God, after just having killed his brother in cold blood, and NEVER EVER repented for it. EVER. His heart was, and remained, profoundly wicked to its very core.
     
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  6. rockytopva

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    Whoso stoppeth his ears at the cry of the poor, he also shall cry himself, but shall not be heard. - Proverbs 21:13
     
  7. katerinah1947

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    Hi,

    Does this mean, The heart of Jesus, is a stream of water that God The Father channels to all who please Him?


    Hi,

    So fascinating. I was told a year or so ago, from someone representing God and what God says and wants, that to be a ****** ***** one must be " just and rigtious where those to words mean the same thing."

    The fascinating part is, I was not told that to please God as much as I was told, required any knowledge of God, as the religions call knowledge, knowledge. Rather is just a requirement to be just and rightious, where those two words mean the same thing, is required to please God, and here also is that concept.

    Here it is to us religious people.

    For this reason, I still engage mockers from time to time, even though it says to not engage them in Proverbs 9, as it will hurt.

    LOVE,
     
  8. katerinah1947

    katerinah1947 Well-Known Member Supporter

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    Hi,

    This does refer to Jesus Christ, does it not??????

    LOVE,
    ...Mary Katie., .... .
     
  9. musicalpilgrim

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    21 The man who tries to be good, loving, and kind finds life, righteousness, and honor.

    31 Go ahead and prepare for the conflict, but victory comes from God.
    all our preparations are useless without God...
     
  10. YESLORDIWILL

    YESLORDIWILL Have you not read? 1Sa 20-22, Ps 52

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    Amen!
     
  11. Matthew-59

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    I read this on the 21st, but today it was one of my "Verse of the Day" from Bible Gateway. In the KJV it doesn't refer to "olive" oil, but just says oil. I wonder why oil (olive or otherwise) would be bad, or to make one "never be rich"? Anyone know why? ...or what this means?
     
  12. musicalpilgrim

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    Proverbs 21 17,
    Whoever loves pleasure will become poor;
    whoever loves wine and olive oil will never be rich.

    my Life application Bible says 'wine and luxury'
    the Jerusalem Bible says 'wine and good living'


    ...so it seems to me that the olive oil possibly represents luxury and good living
     
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  13. Matthew-59

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    That could very well be the case. A lot of people in today's world spend themselves into poverty (maxed out credit cards, etc.) just to enjoy the "good life" of luxury... not living within their means. So this verse is telling us to not over indulge beyond what we can afford.

    Wondering too.... Does "rich" necessarily mean money, or could it refer to something else? To be rich can mean to have an abundance of good relationships with family and friends, etc.
     
  14. musicalpilgrim

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    ...yes Matthew, you can see the spiritual, in addition to the original meaning and this is so true also.

    I like this version from the Message translation...

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  16. katerinah1947

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    Hi,

    My head hangs low. My chest hurts after contemplating.

    To talk, I was asked to see a situation, without God. I did briefly. That is not what the scripture said. It hurt. My chest hurt. Why would anyone ask to leave God out of a scripture.

    I went back in and told him. God cannot be left out of the marriage act, even in the first marriage of humans.

    I am still upset: This helped me calm down:

    31 The horse is made ready for the day of battle,
    but victory rests with the Lord.

    LOVE,
     
  17. brinny

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    In reading Proverbs 21, verse 5 stood out for me:

    "The thoughts of the diligent tend only to plenteousness; but of every one that is hasty only to want."

    This is astounding. It is saying that even the very thoughts of the "diligent" are attuned to God and seeks to diligently please and delight God, in their heart. God's blessings will pour out on him and his household like rain, while the heart that is far from God and seeks their own selfish will and seeks their own selfish gain will lead to poverty and want and destruction. How tragic.

    diligent = done or pursued with persevering attention; painstaking

    it reminds me of this verse:

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  18. lighthouse4031

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    So much here, doing the right or wrong things bear there own consequences, good or bad.
     
  19. brinny

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    In reading Proverbs 21, this verse stood out for me:

    God doesn't want "sacrifices" if we harbor evil in our hearts and are unjust and oppress others, especially if they need someone to speak out for them and defend them from injustice and harm, and we do not do so.

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  20. imperfection91

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    • Proverb 21:20
    There is treasure to be desired
    and oil (shemen) in the dwelling of the wise;
    but a foolish man spendeth it up.


    This reminds of the parable of then ten virgins. The wise virgins who went into the marriage and constituted the Bride all had oil in their lamps. They had the oil (shemen) of God. They had within their lamps the fuel of light, the seed of life. This means they had consummated their marriage with God, while waiting for God.
     
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