Daughters religion

[Crofter]

CookanGarden.... Firstly.... there is no power and no love stronger than that of our God... I know it might seem difficult but you are safe and Nicky is safe..

And your daughter is a teen... she is difficut and is supposed to be difficult... that is what teens do.... and the less you respect her choices the more she will go deeper into them. The more you treat this as real the more credit you give to wicca and the more interesting and rewarding it looks.


Okay... I am very interested because I have heard now that this is a common trend with teen girls... I found a wicca book in mt daughters room a few months back...so I read the book first to check I wasn't jumping to wrong conclusions and it was 100% adld trying to convery kids to wicca... so I discussed this through and pointed out the bits that were anti Christian and full of hatred and explained the human side of the motivation of hatred to my daughter... the history of the manipulation of Christianity as a political power wtc... I really discussed this all from a logical human and cult perspective and not spiritual because childish dabbling is one thing... but these are dangerous people who are in fact seeking to target and manipulate children.

So we have also said 'not in our house' because it is our duty to set an eg and to keep our children safe... Ins I believe to permit this to come in our house would not e doing that. As to what she does outside the house... thst is where trust comes in... there ae man ays our kids an get hurt... but part of the life as they grow older is living and learning for themselves..But at the ame time I discuss faith... what I believe for myself...

May I pray for the love of God fill your lovely home... and bless these sprightly young girls of yours.

 

[Jenna]

Eh, she's just being a teenage girl. It's amazing how funky those can be. *thinks on myself and my sisters* Don't worry about the silly cursing stuff. There's no power there, just wishful thinking on her part. Besides, if she ever got her wish, she'd feel guilty as all get-out.

If she were my child, we'd be having some heavy words about such disrespectful behavior. *shakes head* I definitely feel for you. I don't look forward to those years myself, let alone the relgious rebellion also. Remind her that looking toward Wicca doesn't give her free rein to try and use her 'religion' to scare and harm people. Other 'witches' would give her hell over the matter. Just as an FYI.

 

[PastorJer]

CookanGarden -
May I suggest an organization that I have pointed others to in the past. Toughlove - if your daughter continues to rebel there are certain things that you as a parent can do to help her through. You can get more information about the organization at toughlove.org

Remember most of all that Jesus died to save your daughter and to bring her into a perfect relationship with himself. I'm praying for you that God would grant you the wisdom as you deal with her daily.

Pastor Jer

 

[Mayzoo]

If the likelihood of physical altercations between the two is VERY low then you might try this: ONLY when the elder states she is going to curse, or acts as though she is cursing the younger one...the younger one could break out in rolling laughter showing how little she regards cursing as having any value/power other than being humorous. The harder the elder tries to conjure, the harder the younger could laugh. This technique works on almost all teenagers, and usually does not have to be suggested to them. They usually do this all on their own, but not much else frustrates and annoys the elder siblings as being mocked by a younger sibling. If she does not get the "fear response" she is looking for I bet she quits post haste.

 

[Jenna]

*nods* Sounds like a good idea, Mayzoo. If the girl is gonna feel stupid, at least let it be for a good cause....like her soul.

 

[Bible Addict]

If the likelihood of physical altercations between the two is VERY low then you might try this: ONLY when the elder states she is going to curse, or acts as though she is cursing the younger one...the younger one could break out in rolling laughter showing how little she regards cursing as having any value/power other than being humorous. The harder the elder tries to conjure, the harder the younger could laugh. This technique works on almost all teenagers, and usually does not have to be suggested to them. They usually do this all on their own, but not much else frustrates and annoys the elder siblings as being mocked by a younger sibling. If she does not get the "fear response" she is looking for I bet she quits post haste.

Seriously, this is really good advice, but also remember what Mayzoo said at first about only trying this if you don't think your daughters are likely to get physical, because this sounds like it has a definite potential of getting nasty, take it from a teenager, someone could get hurt! lol Good luck, I really hope this all works out for you and your daughter

 

[Crofter]

I don't think the solution is in trying to encourage more bad feeling between the two than is natural... it is for a parent to raise their children.... not to use the children to do this. Siblings should be encouraged to grow close and love and this comes through learning to love and respect... even through hard times. The parent must deal with all forms of bullying while being aware of avoiding adding to what I call: older sibling syndrome more than need be... so lay down the law in a fair honest and firm way.

I find my daughter always responds superbly to any form of discipline we feel the urge to implement cos she always knows we mean what we say if things go so far that we need to get tough. My daughter is very difficult... but we always try to see what a wonderful person she is too... and she is.

 

[DIVAMOM]

Cookandgarden,
Can you give us an update with your daughters? I'm going to start working with a girls group at church, so I'm going to have you in mind alot to see if I can help at all in the future.

 

[CookanGarden]

Hey everyone. Sorry I haven't replied. I've been busy with school shopping for my girls. An update on what has happened: I told Nicky to laugh when Tiff tried to do something to her. But one day Nicky came running to me almost in tears because Tiff was throwing stuff on her (I think it was herbs) and saying words that she called a curse. After that I went into Tiffs room and did a search in her room for any herbs and other supplies of hers. I found some and put it where I put her other supplies. Everything was going alright for awhile until just a few days ago where I saw Tiff looking at candles at Walmart. I don't know for sure but I think it was for spells and such.

 

[Crofter]

I told Nicky to laugh when Tiff tried to do something to her.

I think that is a great shame you told her to do that....

 

[CookanGarden]

I think that is a great shame you told her to do that....

I didn't know what else to tell her. She was becoming more freaked out by the cursing. Even she agreed that laughing and not caring what Tiff said would possibly get her to stop.

 

[Jenna]

I'll tell you a few things.. one, that Wicca isn't a danger.

Unless you consider the fact that it is a danger to a person's soul. Our God is a jealous God.

There are no animal sacrifices (not in the true Wicca) or blood letting or horrible devil rituals or anything like that.. there ARE rituals involved, candles and incense and chanting mainly..

Any ritual in worship of any god other than the ONE true God, is of the devil. So, while wicca may seem innocuous, it isn't. While wiccan's aren't 'bloodletting' (careful there, as God commanded blood sacrifices, to the extent of sacrificing His own son ), they are doing what God calls evil, and that is worshipping any entity other than Himself. There is nothing wrong with knowing and utilizing herbs, enjoying candles, or taking care and pleasure in God's creation. However, you can have that without being wiccan. THAT isn't what makes a person wiccan, it is the religious aspect, which is against God's wishes.

Wicca is unfortunately for a lot of teenagers, just a fad.

So you would prefer more teenagers to lose the chance at a relationship with a loving God, and to instead perish in hell? I'm confused here.

But its important for you as a parent to understand that there is nothing *dangerous* about Wicca itself, not physically anyway. Its not a cult, its not satanic (other than the people who individually consider it satanic when it has nothing to do with Satan in worship), and so forth..

No, chances are a kid isn't going to cut themselves with their athame or burn themselves with candles. But, that doesn't make it any less dangerous. It IS a cult:

Main Entry: cult
Pronunciation: 'k&lt
Function: noun
Usage: often attributive
Etymology: French & Latin; French culte, from Latin cultus care, adoration, from colere to cultivate -- more at [size=-1]WHEEL[/size]
1 : formal religious veneration : [size=-1]WORSHIP[/size]
2 : a system of religious beliefs and ritual; also : its body of adherents
3 : a religion regarded as unorthodox or spurious; also : its body of adherents
4 : a system for the cure of disease based on dogma set forth by its promulgator <health cults>
5 a : great devotion to a person, idea, object, movement, or work (as a film or book); especially : such devotion regarded as a literary or intellectual fad b : a usually small group of people characterized by such devotion

And, while they do not actively worship the form of Satan, they practice worship of a false god, which is serving the devil.


All spoken by a former Wiccan, myself.



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I don't think it was a shame at all for the other daughter to laugh if it helped her to not feel threatened by her sister's "curses". Maybe I'm mean or whatever, but there is a certain line to be drawn when disciplining a child who is purposefully trying to harm the other. I couldn't tollerate one child tormenting the other like that. One child shouldn't have to pay for the other's misguided experimentation.

 

[Crofter]

I didn't know what else to tell her. She was becoming more freaked out by the cursing. Even she agreed that laughing and not caring what Tiff said would possibly get her to stop.

Yep... but I think it is very difficult for younger siblings to deal with bullying... and bullying by an older child is very common.... maybe if you can think of these actions as hitting or kicking your younger child... and think less emotively... how whould you deal with repeated physical bullying...? I myself think she is playing you or just your younget child up because of the over reaction to wicca due to perceptions we are raised to have regarding evil and witchcraft... rather than looking at wicca as rooted in nature and herbal healing...



I do think there is a lot of truth in what Blue has written. As Christians we don't force or make our kidsinto images of ourselves... we may be Christians... but we are so because we were called by God to be so. One day our kids will grow to make their own choices and although we could force and mould them to mimic a Christian life... this would be worth nothing. This is something that can only be real if they choose to acept the life ling God throws to them and we can pray and trust that they will hear and respond to this calling in God's own time.

There is nothing your child can do that will drive God away from her.. He will always be there to hold her when she calls out to Him.... so wicca isn't a danger... is it. However I do have concerns with the concept of children getting involved in wicca groups and being manipulated by adults in cult like groups.

 

[alaskamolly]

Blue Impulse,


It's easy to see you are still very connected with your Wiccan past.

There's a strong point you've made there, and that is that most people don't understand that all false religions/beliefs DO have good positive points.

So many times people make the mistake of saying, "Yeah, well, it's not what I believe, so therefore it must just be stupid."

The only thing stupid there is the person who's assuming everything but their belief is stupid!


All the same, you said this, and I think it's a good idea to challenge you on it:

Anyone who can respect their fellow man despite religion, color, gender, sexual orientation, creed, what have you, is a beautiful person under God.

Anyone who judges.. well, Do not judge, or you too will be judged.

Do not judge, and you will not be judged. Do not condemn, and you will not be condemned. Forgive, and you will be forgiven.

The Bible does have that verse in it (a favorite of many people, even those who have no clue what the rest of the Bible says), but you have to balance it out in the context with the rest of the Book.

The Scripture DOES make specific judgements toward other religions/practices. Worshiping a 'god of your own choosing,' as Wiccans are encouraged to do, specifically violates what God lays out in Scripture.

He says,
"I am God, and there is no other.
I am God and there is NONE like me."
(Isaiah 46:9)

So when a person says that Wicca is wrong, they are not necessarily saying every single thing Wicca promotes is wrong. But they are saying that Wicca, in it's underlying message, goes directly against God's direction. Therefore, if it's going an opposite direction than Yahweh, it's wrong.

Every good lie has bits of truth mixed in.

That's the enemy's way. He's not an idiot! The Genesis account of the fall of Adam and Eve--or Satan's temptation of Christ, for examples. Both times, the Deciever mixed truth into the lie. It makes the lie that much more believable.



So I don't think anyone would deny that Wicca has beautiful things mixed into it. But that doesn't make Wicca a healthy practice, and it certainly doesn't make it a smart one.


Wicca may feel good to the Wiccan, but unless they meet Jesus in some way or another, the Wiccan is going to die outside of God. This is a terrible terrible fate, and one that we need to do our best to help our loved ones escape.



It's clear in Scripture that God sent His Son because He loved the whole world (John 3:16). We need to share that. It sometimes sounds intolerant, but that's because Jesus was intolerant ("I am THE way, THE truth, and THE Light...NO ONE comes to the Father, BUT BY ME.").

He loved, yes, but He also didn't mince words when it came to declaring that there is no other way to God. The reason He was so 'intolerant' is because He loved people enough to share the truth with them. That's real love.



Blessings to you on your journey,
Molly
(Who also has quite a colorful past)

 

[Jenna]

Again, wonderful post, Molly. ( I keep saying that, don't I? lol )

 

[alaskamolly]

Well, you finally gave me a chance to reply for once! I've been reading this thread with great interest, but right before I'm about to post, I see there's a post from Jenna, saying exactly what I wanted to say!

Always enjoy your thoughts,
Molly

 

[Jenna]

*laughs* I really don't have "Molly Radar". Heeheehee.......

 

[CookanGarden]

Heh.. It seems like things are getting worse. Tiff showed Nicky some of her Wiccan books. Now Nicky is interested in the religion.. Do you think I should just let them be Wiccan because it seems like whatever I do has no effect on anything.

 

[Bible Addict]

Heh.. It seems like things are getting worse. Tiff showed Nicky some of her Wiccan books. Now Nicky is interested in the religion.. Do you think I should just let them be Wiccan because it seems like whatever I do has no effect on anything.

Don't give up! It will encourage her, even if you don't think you're having an impact on her and her beliefs, it's your responsibility to do everything you can even if it doesn't look like you're getting anywhere.

I think this was asked before... but do you know if she has any Christian friends? I don't know, but maybe they could try talking to her again? Anyway, I really hope you work all this out, good luck, and if you ever feel like giving up, pray!

Praying for you, Eric

 

[CookanGarden]

Most of her friends are Christian. A few others I'm unsure of their religion but they're very nice when they're over at the house. I'm pretty sure they're not influencing her.