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I'm a sucker for trolls, I guess.

Perhaps one day a creationist will materialize that does not rely on unwarranted condescension, logical fallacies, equivocation, etc.

But I doubt it.
Hey, I"m a sucker for controversy. ;)

It's pretty boring just posting in a thread where everybody agrees.

But I'm not trolling. I sincerely believe everything I post. However, I do notice that due to either the poor quality of my posts, or the bias of some readers, many of my posts get misinterpreted. People infer meaning that is not there.
 
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And I get that you are totally enamored with your own parables (pride) - like the one above.
Not really. It's just that I know (from my experience in the real world for decades) that it is a talent/skill I have. I've worked for 17 companies and get compliments on my analogies all the time. It's not a pride thing. The only time I appear prideful is when I use an excellent and clear analogy on a subject, but someone who simply does not want to accept the message of the analogy says it's a lousy analogy.

If I use a bad analogy, I'll admit it.

And no, all of my analogies are not A+. Some are terrible. But that's ok, Babe Ruth struck out a lot too. :)
 
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You might want to tell that to Michael E. Mann. ;)
Just because you can't understand his work does not mean that he made any assumptions. You are letting your own biases form your opinions. Been there done that in regards to AGW.
 
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Not really. It's just that I know (from my experience in the real world for decades) that it is a talent/skill I have. I've worked for 17 companies and get compliments on my analogies all the time. It's not a pride thing. The only time I appear prideful is when I use an excellent and clear analogy on a subject, but someone who simply does not want to accept the message of the analogy says it's a lousy analogy.

If I use a bad analogy, I'll admit it.

And no, all of my analogies are not A+. Some are terrible. But that's ok, Babe Ruth struck out a lot too. :)
Your analogies may work for whatever work that you do, they do not work when it comes to the sciences.
 
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No i meant "can". There are things science can demonstrate but when we speculate on the basis of facts we move beyond what science can demonstrate
Then I am bemused and will need to reflect further on how you could reach such strange conclusions.

Genus two examples of which are Canis ( dogs) and Passer (Sparrows)
Thank you. I'm also bemused as to why it took multiple requests to get you to provide your answer.

I'll continue our conversation tomorrow, once the bemusement has evaporated.
 
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But I'm not trolling. I sincerely believe everything I post. However, I do notice that due to either the poor quality of my posts, or the bias of some readers, many of my posts get misinterpreted. People infer meaning that is not there.
Perhaps you should quit using analogies, speak directly and simply, and maybe try to avoid the hint of paternalism you spice your posts with.
 
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Just because you can't understand his work does not mean that he made any assumptions. You are letting your own biases form your opinions. Been there done that in regards to AGW.
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. And the AGW folks have been caught lying, fudging data, being proved wrong, creating models that time has proven don't remotely prove their point.

Why on earth would I take them seriously? It's not bias. It's using a reasoning mind that doesn't just believe what someone says because they have a shingle or three on the wall.
 
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Your analogies may work for whatever work that you do, they do not work when it comes to the sciences.
I think they work very well making the particular points I'm making.

I once had a fortune 500 CIO tell me I should write a book of analogies. I thought he was joking. He wasn't. And it wasn't about what I do for a living. It's an odd knack I have.

My analogy regarding the doorhandle of the 2001 Chrysler 300M and dodge Neon is a perfect example of intelligent design that someone might try to use as proof of common ancestry.
 
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Perhaps you should quit using analogies, speak directly and simply, and maybe try to avoid the hint of paternalism you spice your posts with.
It makes the point the best to people who can get past their biases and understand. I'm not trying to convince those that will not listen.
 
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It makes the point the best to people who can get past their biases and understand. I'm not trying to convince those that will not listen.
OK. I'll try it differently. Communication style is best adjusted to the needs (biases, if you will) of your audience. If one technique does not work, adapt and try another. You seem fixed upon a single method, based upon the success you have enjoyed with that approach. Yet you note that not all has been success. Would it not make sense to try alternatives?
 
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I think they work very well making the particular points I'm making.

I once had a fortune 500 CIO tell me I should write a book of analogies. I thought he was joking. He wasn't. And it wasn't about what I do for a living. It's an odd knack I have.

My analogy regarding the doorhandle of the 2001 Chrysler 300M and dodge Neon is a perfect example of intelligent design that someone might try to use as proof of common ancestry.
A poor analogy for life. Remember my claim about chimeras? They are possible with automobile parts, but not with life.

Your analogies fail when you apply them to your failed beliefs.
 
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Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. And the AGW folks have been caught lying, fudging data, being proved wrong, creating models that time has proven don't remotely prove their point.

Why on earth would I take them seriously? It's not bias. It's using a reasoning mind that doesn't just believe what someone says because they have a shingle or three on the wall.
That is a claim that I don't think that you can support. Yes, people have lied about the AGW work, but they cannot substantiate those claims.
 
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OK. I'll try it differently. Communication style is best adjusted to the needs (biases, if you will) of your audience. If one technique does not work, adapt and try another. You seem fixed upon a single method, based upon the success you have enjoyed with that approach. Yet you note that not all has been success. Would it not make sense to try alternatives?
Pssst. You are not my audience.
 
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A poor analogy for life. Remember my claim about chimeras? They are possible with automobile parts, but not with life.

Your analogies fail when you apply them to your failed beliefs.
You simply miss the point of the analogies. That's fine. I can't get through to everyone. I strive for excellence, not perfection. :)
 
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