Darwin's Deadly Legacy

[TheBlueBlurr]

it is not necessary to be insulting. Just calmly state your view. It's almost as if you hate D. James Kenedy. If you disagree, ok, just state so. However, there is no need to become insulting.

When you're dealing with people who won't believe cold hard facts when they're endlessly repeated and yet they keep ignoring, it's hard not to get upset.

 

[Agonaces of Susa]

Point of fact: Hitler was a Roman Catholic creationist.

Hitler worshipped a Jew?

How does that work?

"The Führer is deeply religious, but deeply anti-Christian. He regards Christianity as a symptom of decay." -- Joseph Goebbels, 1939

 

[LifeToTheFullest!]

Hitler worshipped a Jew?

How does that work?

"The Führer is deeply religious, but deeply anti-Christian. He regards Christianity as a symptom of decay." -- Joseph Goebbels, 1939

It's called catering to whatever religion (in this case Catholicism) to further your economic driven war. This has been going on since the beginning of civilization, and is the reason each culture has their own gods in the first place.

 

[sandwiches]

I guess nuclear theory is even more invalid than evolutionary theory as it has caused many more deaths through its application than through the misapplication of evolution.

 

[Nathan Poe]

Hitler worshipped a Jew?

How does that work?

The same way a man promotes a "Master Race" when he himself doesn't make the cut.

You expect Hitler to be consistent and trustworthy -- how sweet.

"The Führer is deeply religious, but deeply anti-Christian. He regards Christianity as a symptom of decay." -- Joseph Goebbels, 1939

I'm afraid we don't all consider Goebbels as trustworthy as you do.

 

[plindboe]

"From where do we get the right to believe, that from the very beginning Man was not what he is today? Looking at Nature tells us, that in the realm of plants and animals changes and developments happen. But nowhere inside a kind shows such a development as the breadth of the jump , as Man must supposedly have made, if he has developed from an ape-like state to what he is today." (Adolf Hitler)

"The fox remains always a fox, the goose remains a goose, and the tiger will retain the character of a tiger. The only difference that can exist within the species must be in the various degrees of structural strength and active power, in the intelligence, efficiency, endurance, etc., with which the individual specimens are endowed." (Adolf Hitler)

Seems like typical creationist speak to me.

Peter

 

[laconicstudent]

Whether or not the Nazis used Darwin's writings to justify their regime, what POSSIBLE relevance does that have to science?

 

[LifeToTheFullest!]

I read "The Secret War Against the Jews" last year, and WWII was for economic/business endeavor, nothing more. The Jews were the easiest to use as a scape goat and rally against, although there were millions of Christians and Muslims exterminated as well. Vast untold amounts of wealth were laundered through the Vatican, and various oil deals struck. In fact, it was WWII that cemented Arab oil countries relationship with the West.

 

[Christian Soldier]

"From where do we get the right to believe, that from the very beginning Man was not what he is today? Looking at Nature tells us, that in the realm of plants and animals changes and developments happen. But nowhere inside a kind shows such a development as the breadth of the jump , as Man must supposedly have made, if he has developed from an ape-like state to what he is today." (Adolf Hitler)

"The fox remains always a fox, the goose remains a goose, and the tiger will retain the character of a tiger. The only difference that can exist within the species must be in the various degrees of structural strength and active power, in the intelligence, efficiency, endurance, etc., with which the individual specimens are endowed." (Adolf Hitler)

Seems like typical creationist speak to me.

DEFINITELY typical evolutionist speak, and unlike your quotations, my quote is DOCUMENTED:

"If Nature does not wish that weaker individuals should mate with the stronger, she wishes even less that a superior race should intermingle with an inferior one; because in such a case all her efforts, throughout hundreds of thousands of years, to establish an evolutionary higher stage of being, may thus be rendered futile."

Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf, Chapter 11

 

[TheBlueBlurr]

DEFINITELY typical evolutionist speak, and unlike your quotations, my quote is DOCUMENTED:

Because evolutionists all follow a ''typical speak''. Seriously what does hitler have anything to do with evolution. Who cares whether he believed evolution was true or not. It does nothing agaisnt evolutions credibility.

 

[LifeToTheFullest!]

DEFINITELY typical evolutionist speak, and unlike your quotations, my quote is DOCUMENTED:

If you mean by "typical evolutionist speak" to mean well doucumented, observable phenomena based on the most parimonious explanation, then you are correct sir.

 

[laconicstudent]

DEFINITELY typical evolutionist speak, and unlike your quotations, my quote is DOCUMENTED:

But what none of us understand is why this matters in the slightest.

 

[Christian Soldier]

Such a dispensation of Nature is quite logical. Every crossing between two breeds which are not quite equal results in a product which holds an intermediate place between the levels of the two parents. This means that the offspring will indeed be superior to the parent which stands in the biologically lower order of being, but not so high as the higher parent. For this reason it must eventually succumb in any struggle against the higher species. Such mating contradicts the will of Nature towards the selective improvements of life in general.

The favorable preliminary to this improvement is not to mate individuals of higher and lower orders of being, but rather to allow the complete triumph of the higher order. The stronger must dominate and not mate with the weaker, which would signify the sacrifice of its own higher nature. Only the born weakling can look upon this principle as cruel, and if he does so it is merely because he is of a feebler nature and narrower mind; for if such a law did not direct the process of evolution then the higher development of organic life would not be conceivable at all."

Adolf Hitler, Evolutionist
Mein Kampf, Chapter 11

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[LifeToTheFullest!]

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Do you have a point, or are you just a fan of Hitler?

 

[TheBlueBlurr]

Stop posting quotes and tell me what this has to do with evolution? Ignoring us isn't gonna make you right.

 

[laconicstudent]

Such a dispensation of Nature is quite logical. Every crossing between two breeds which are not quite equal results in a product which holds an intermediate place between the levels of the two parents. This means that the offspring will indeed be superior to the parent which stands in the biologically lower order of being, but not so high as the higher parent. For this reason it must eventually succumb in any struggle against the higher species. Such mating contradicts the will of Nature towards the selective improvements of life in general.

The favorable preliminary to this improvement is not to mate individuals of higher and lower orders of being, but rather to allow the complete triumph of the higher order. The stronger must dominate and not mate with the weaker, which would signify the sacrifice of its own higher nature. Only the born weakling can look upon this principle as cruel, and if he does so it is merely because he is of a feebler nature and narrower mind; for if such a law did not direct the process of evolution then the higher development of organic life would not be conceivable at all."

Adolf Hitler, Evolutionist
Mein Kampf, Chapter 11
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But what none of us understand is why this matters in the slightest.

 

[plindboe]

DEFINITELY typical evolutionist speak, and unlike your quotations, my quote is DOCUMENTED:

The first quote I posted is from Hitler's "Tischgesprache im Fuhrerhauptquartier" and this quote clearly states his belief that man did not evolve from apes, the quote also shows his belief that man was in existence from the very beginning.

The second quote is from "Mein Kampf", vol.1, ch. 1, and it clearly makes the same distinction between micro- and macroevolution that modern creationists make, accepting the former and denying the latter.

Your quote clearly illustrates his acceptance of microevolution, since it's referring to changes within species (races that can interbreed).

Peter

 

[laconicstudent]

Why are we even bothering to discuss what Hitler believed about science?

 

[plindboe]

Books on Darwinism were made illegal in Germany in 1935.

When Books Burn: Lists of Banned Books, 1933-1939

Guidelines from Die Bücherei 2:6 (1935), p. 279
...
6. Writings of a philosophical and social nature whose content deals with the false scientific enlightenment of primitive Darwinism and Monism (H�ckel).

Peter

 

[Agonaces of Susa]

Why are we even bothering to discuss what Hitler believed about science?

Because Darwinism has a monopoly in our education system.

Do we want our schools to be Nazi schools?

"The deepest and ultimate reason for the decline of the old Reich lay in its failure to recognize the racial problem and its importance for the historical evolution of peoples. For events in the lives of peoples are not expressions of chance, but processes related to the self-preservation and propagation of the species and the race and subject to the laws of Nature, even if people are not conscious of the inner reason for their actions." -- Adolf Hitler, Führer, 1925

"... struggle is always a means for improving a species' health and power of resistance and, therefore, a cause of its higher evolution. If the process were different, all further evolution would cease and the opposite would occur." -- Adolf Hitler, Führer, 1925

"National Socialism is nothing but applied biology." -- Rudolph Hess, Deputy Führer, 1934

"National Socialism is applied biology." -- Hans Schemm, Nazi Education Minister and president of the Nazi Teacher's Association, 1935

"Darwin would be astounded at the progress we're going to make in one year as we move the human race forward." -- Reinhard Heydrich, Chief of Police, January 20th 1942

"Eugenics is applied Darwinism." -- Ann Coulter, author, August 26th 2006