Darwin's Deadly Legacy

[Christian Soldier]

"It may be quite true that some negroes are better than some white men; but no rational man, cognisant of the facts, believes that the average Negro is the equal, still less the superior, of the white man.

And, if this be true, it is simply incredible that, when all his disabilities are removed, and our prognathous relative has a fair field and no favour, as well as no oppressor, he will be able to compete successfully with his bigger-brained and smaller jawed rival, in a contest which is to be carried on by thoughts and not by bites.

The highest places in the hierarchy of civilisation will assuredly not be within the reach of our dusky cousins, though it is by no means necessary that they should be restricted to the lowest."

Thomas Huxley, 'Darwin's Bulldog' & Proponent of Evolutionary Racism

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[TheBlueBlurr]

Because Darwinism has a monopoly in our education system.

Do we want our schools to be Nazi schools?

"The deepest and ultimate reason for the decline of the old Reich lay in its failure to recognize the racial problem and its importance for the historical evolution of peoples. For events in the lives of peoples are not expressions of chance, but processes related to the self-preservation and propagation of the species and the race and subject to the laws of Nature, even if people are not conscious of the inner reason for their actions." -- Adolf Hitler, Führer, 1925

"... struggle is always a means for improving a species' health and power of resistance and, therefore, a cause of its higher evolution. If the process were different, all further evolution would cease and the opposite would occur." -- Adolf Hitler, Führer, 1925

"National Socialism is nothing but applied biology." -- Rudolph Hess, Deputy Führer, 1934

"National Socialism is applied biology." -- Hans Schemm, Nazi Education Minister and president of the Nazi Teacher's Association, 1935

"Darwin would be astounded at the progress we're going to make in one year as we move the human race forward." -- Reinhard Heydrich, Chief of Police, January 20th 1942

"Eugenics is applied Darwinism." -- Ann Coulter, author, August 26th 2006

Darwinism doesn't lead to Nazism. <staff edit>

 

[laconicstudent]

Because Darwinism has a monopoly in our education system.

Do we want our schools to be Nazi schools?

"The deepest and ultimate reason for the decline of the old Reich lay in its failure to recognize the racial problem and its importance for the historical evolution of peoples. For events in the lives of peoples are not expressions of chance, but processes related to the self-preservation and propagation of the species and the race and subject to the laws of Nature, even if people are not conscious of the inner reason for their actions." -- Adolf Hitler, Führer, 1925

"... struggle is always a means for improving a species' health and power of resistance and, therefore, a cause of its higher evolution. If the process were different, all further evolution would cease and the opposite would occur." -- Adolf Hitler, Führer, 1925

"National Socialism is nothing but applied biology." -- Rudolph Hess, Deputy Führer, 1934

"National Socialism is applied biology." -- Hans Schemm, Nazi Education Minister and president of the Nazi Teacher's Association, 1935

"Darwin would be astounded at the progress we're going to make in one year as we move the human race forward." -- Reinhard Heydrich, Chief of Police, January 20th 1942

"Eugenics is applied Darwinism." -- Ann Coulter, author, August 26th 2006

That whole thing was a Non sequiter

 

[laconicstudent]

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Would you please make a point?

 

[Dark_Lite]

Massive lists of out of context quotes are not an effective debate tactic.

 

[Agonaces of Susa]

Massive lists of out of context quotes are not an effective debate tactic.

What is an effective debate tactic?

Ignoring actual historical quotes and rewriting history to suit personal opinion?

 

[Christian Soldier]

Massive lists of out of context quotes are not an effective debate tactic.

Falsely proclaiming that quotes are out of context, without providing any evidence whatsoever that they actually are out of context, is NOT an effective debate tactic.

So my quotations stand, while your bogus statement is rejected.

Dark_Lite's statement = CATASTROPHIC FAIL.

 

[laconicstudent]

Falsely proclaiming that quotes are out of context, without providing any evidence whatsoever that they actually are out of context, is NOT an effective debate tactic.

Because you haven't provided any context so far!

All you've done is post random quotes from Mein Kamph and used periods to get around the forum software.

So my quotations stand, while your bogus statement is rejected.

Dark_Lite's statement = CATASTROPHIC FAIL.

Any time you wish to actually explain how your quotes are relevant to modern science, feel free.

 

[Agonaces of Susa]

Falsely proclaiming that quotes are out of context, without providing any evidence whatsoever that they actually are out of context, is NOT an effective debate tactic.

So my quotations stand, while your bogus statement is rejected.

Dark_Lite's statement = CATASTROPHIC FAIL.

 

[Dark_Lite]

What is an effective debate tactic?

Ignoring actual historical quotes and rewriting history to suit personal opinion?

All of your quotes are either really old, have nothing to do with the topic at hand, are non-sequitors, or are just completely out of context.

 

[Dark_Lite]

Falsely proclaiming that quotes are out of context, without providing any evidence whatsoever that they actually are out of context, is NOT an effective debate tactic.

So my quotations stand, while your bogus statement is rejected.

Dark_Lite's statement = CATASTROPHIC FAIL.

Well, when all you do is post a bunch of quotes and nothing of actual substance, what do you expect people to do? Surely not refute your 50 random quotes pulled from Hitler and various other random irrelevant sources that have nothing to do with the topic at hand.

 

[Agonaces of Susa]

All of your quotes are either really old, have nothing to do with the topic at hand, are non-sequitors, or are just completely out of context.

The Opening Poster, namely Christian Soldier, takes a different perspective.

The quotes are old precisely because we are talking abut Darwin's deadly legacy.

 

[Christian Soldier]

"The western nations of Europe, who now so immeasurably surpass their former savage progenitors, and stand at the summit of civilization, owe little or none of their superiority to direct inheritance from the old Greeks"

Charles Darwin, Racist
The Descent of Man

The above statement profoundly influenced Hitler and the Nazis. They firmly believed that Germans and other "Aryan" peoples stood "at the summit of civilization", and were thus destined by the "scientific fact" of evolution to conquer and subjugate the planet, and usher in their "Thousand Year Reich".

 

[laconicstudent]

The above statement profoundly influenced Hitler and the Nazis. They firmly believed that Germans and other "Aryan" peoples stood "at the summit of civilization", and were thus destined by the "scientific fact" of evolution to conquer and subjugate the planet, and usher in their "Thousand Year Reich".

That's nice. Also, when Gandalf arrived at the Gray Havens, Cirdan gave him Narya, the Ring of Fire, but Gandalf didn't flaunt it openly after until the fall of Sauron.

 

[Agonaces of Susa]

The above statement profoundly influenced Hitler and the Nazis. They firmly believed that Germans and other "Aryan" peoples stood "at the summit of civilization", and were thus destined by the "scientific fact" of evolution to conquer and subjugate the planet, and usher in their "Thousand Year Reich".

I agree. Darwin's racist book is titled "The Preservation of Favoured Races in the Struggle for Life." Hitler named his book My Struggle after Darwin's book.

 

[bigbadwilf]

Because Darwinism has a monopoly in our education system.

Do we want our schools to be Nazi schools?

"The deepest and ultimate reason for the decline of the old Reich lay in its failure to recognize the racial problem and its importance for the historical evolution of peoples. For events in the lives of peoples are not expressions of chance, but processes related to the self-preservation and propagation of the species and the race and subject to the laws of Nature, even if people are not conscious of the inner reason for their actions." -- Adolf Hitler, Führer, 1925

"... struggle is always a means for improving a species' health and power of resistance and, therefore, a cause of its higher evolution. If the process were different, all further evolution would cease and the opposite would occur." -- Adolf Hitler, Führer, 1925

"National Socialism is nothing but applied biology." -- Rudolph Hess, Deputy Führer, 1934

"National Socialism is applied biology." -- Hans Schemm, Nazi Education Minister and president of the Nazi Teacher's Association, 1935

"Darwin would be astounded at the progress we're going to make in one year as we move the human race forward." -- Reinhard Heydrich, Chief of Police, January 20th 1942

"Eugenics is applied Darwinism." -- Ann Coulter, author, August 26th 2006

Ooo, ooo quote mining! Can I play too?

We are all proud that through God's powerful aid, we have become once more true Germans.
Adolf Hitler
Speech March 1933

Who says I am not under the special protection of God.
Adolf Hitler
After winning elections of 1933 in Germany

I believe that it was God's will to send a youth from here into the Reich, to let him grow up, to raise him to be the leader of the nation so as to enable him to lead back his homeland into the Reich.
Adolf Hitler
April 1938, closing speech of election campaign in Vienna on eve of polling

Does this mean I get to blame God for the holocaust? Or can we all go on to a level of arguement that is beyond the mine?

Please?

 

[Christian Soldier]

"The big chests, the massive brains, the vigorous muscles and stout frames of the best men will carry the day, whenever it is worth their while to contest the prizes of life with the best women. And the hardship of it is, that the very improvement of the women will lessen their chances.

Better mothers will bring forth better sons, and the impetus gained by the one sex will be transmitted, in the next generation, to the other.

The most Darwinian of theorists will not venture to propound the doctrine, that the physical disabilities under which women have hitherto laboured, in the struggle for existence with men, are likely to be removed by even the most skilfully conducted process of educational selection."

--Thomas Huxley (1865)
'Darwin's Bulldog' & evolutionary sexist

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[laconicstudent]

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Sing, O goddess, the anger of Achilles son of Peleus, that brought countless ills upon the Achaeans. Many a brave soul did it send hurrying down to Hades, and many a hero did it yield a prey to dogs and vultures, for so were the counsels of Jove fulfilled from the day on which the son of Atreus, king of men, and great Achilles, first fell out with one another.

Neither of our quotes have any context whatsoever.

Now, I'm fairly sure what your point in quoting Hitler will be, but would you please be considerate enough to actually bother articulating an argument instead of forcing us to guess?

 

[Agonaces of Susa]

Does this mean I get to blame God for the holocaust? Or can we all go on to a level of arguement that is beyond the mine?

Please?

"The Führer is deeply religious, but deeply anti-Christian. He regards Christianity as a symptom of decay." -- Joseph Goebbels, 1939

 

[plindboe]

It may be quite true that some negroes are better than some white men; but no rational man, cognisant of the facts, believes that the average Negro is the equal, still less the superior, of the white man.

And, if this be true, it is simply incredible that, when all his disabilities are removed, and our prognathous relative has a fair field and no favour, as well as no oppressor, he will be able to compete successfully with his bigger-brained and smaller jawed rival, in a contest which is to be carried on by thoughts and not by bites.

The highest places in the hierarchy of civilisation will assuredly not be within the reach of our dusky cousins, though it is by no means necessary that they should be restricted to the lowest.

Thomas Huxley, 'Darwin's Bulldog' & Proponent of Evolutionary Racism

Notice that the second paragraph is arguing against the first.

I suggest you think more about that quote, and try to analyze what he's really saying, because he's actually saying exactly the opposite of what you think he's saying.

Dark_Lite made a very valid point. You seem intend on reading your agenda into quotes taken out of their literary and historical contexts.

Peter