Darwinism is a Pseudo-Science

[Oncedeceived]

And it requires the exact amount of fine tuning that life does.

You are kidding right?

 

[PsychoSarah]

Which is not really relevant to the fact that life was ever there or could be or that an event made it lifeless.

It isn't known for sure if life was ever there, there is evidence but that evidence is debated enough that I personally don't have a solid position on the matter. I am not trying to convince you life was ever there, I am being informative as to why it isn't now; the conditions on the planet as is don't allow for it, as far as we can tell.

 

[Oncedeceived]

It isn't known for sure if life was ever there, there is evidence but that evidence is debated enough that I personally don't have a solid position on the matter. I am not trying to convince you life was ever there, I am being informative as to why it isn't now; the conditions on the planet as is don't allow for it, as far as we can tell.

And that relates to the discussion in what way?

 

[Loudmouth]

You are kidding right?

Not kidding. In order to produce the appearance of a Face on Mars it requires the same amount of fine tuning that life does. You claim that the constants had to be just right in order to have the right gravity and matter to host life. The same is true for the Face on Mars. If they constants were any different then atoms could not form, heavier elements could not form, and planets could not form. As you get down to the specific molecules and geologic forces needed to produce the face, the fine tuning becomes even more important.

 

[Oncedeceived]

Diz I would really like a response to my post #179 ...I think that is the number. Thanks

 

[Oncedeceived]

Not kidding. In order to produce the appearance of a Face on Mars it requires the same amount of fine tuning that life does. You claim that the constants had to be just right in order to have the right gravity and matter to host life. The same is true for the Face on Mars. If they constants were any different then atoms could not form, heavier elements could not form, and planets could not form. As you get down to the specific molecules and geologic forces needed to produce the face, the fine tuning becomes even more important.

Simply untrue. If some of the constants (those not necessary for the existence of the universe) were changed somewhat the universe might exist quite differently but would not hold life. You ignore the fact that the factors and values of this universe all tie together to allow for intelligent life.

 

[Loudmouth]

Simply untrue. If some of the constants (those not necessary for the existence of the universe) were changed somewhat the universe might exist quite differently but would not hold life.

It would also not hold the Face on Mars.

You ignore the fact that the factors and values of this universe all tie together to allow for intelligent life.

You are painting the bullseye around the bullet hole.

Texas sharpshooter fallacy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

No matter what the constants are, the results are dependent on those constants.

 

[Oncedeceived]

It would also not hold the Face on Mars.



You are painting the bullseye around the bullet hole.

Texas sharpshooter fallacy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

No matter what the constants are, the results are dependent on those constants.

Prove it.

 

[Dizredux]

Diz I would really like a response to my post #179 ...I think that is the number. Thanks

It was a very long post which boiled down to

I can however disagree with your position that the appearance of design is not supportive of actual design.

That day I was having a hard time typing and I did not see any reason to go over your long post point by point. Typing is often rather painful and for this reason among others I pick and chose when and how I will respond.

Basically I don't think your reasoning works for the reasons I have posted many times and you don't agree. It is your story and you are going to stick to it so I am going to let others to mostly take it from there at least for today.

Dizredux

 

[Loudmouth]

Prove it.

If the constants of the universe were slightly different, then the Face on Mars would not be there. Therefore, the universe was fine tuned for the Face on Mars.

 

[PsychoSarah]

Simply untrue. If some of the constants (those not necessary for the existence of the universe) were changed somewhat the universe might exist quite differently but would not hold life. You ignore the fact that the factors and values of this universe all tie together to allow for intelligent life.

It might not hold life as we know it, but who knows what other possible configurations would work in a universe with different physics? You can't claim that only the exact physics of our universe are capable of allowing life

 

[Oncedeceived]

It might not hold life as we know it, but who knows what other possible configurations would work in a universe with different physics? You can't claim that only the exact physics of our universe are capable of allowing life

I should have been specific, life as we know it.

 

[bhsmte]

I should have been specific, life as we know it.

Life as we know it, is all we know. No way of telling what other life would have been possible with other conditions.

 

[Oncedeceived]

Life as we know it, is all we know. No way of telling what other life would have been possible with other conditions.

Right, or if life would even be possible.

 

[PsychoSarah]

Right, or if life would even be possible.

So your claim is null

 

[Oncedeceived]

So your claim is null

What claim is null?

 

[PsychoSarah]

What claim is null?

That physics and the universe have to be exactly as they are for intelligent life to exist.

 

[Davian]

Simply untrue. If some of the constants (those not necessary for the existence of the universe) were changed somewhat the universe might exist quite differently but would not hold life. You ignore the fact that the factors and values of this universe all tie together to allow for intelligent life.

The anthropic principle is a tautology.

 

[PsychoSarah]

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What's on second?

Ugh, you changed it

 

[Davian]

What's on second?

Ugh, you changed it

Sorry - I'm trying to resist descending to Once's level of flippancy.