Darwinism is a Pseudo-Science

[Loudmouth]

Your only point of being here is to make snide remarks about others. Hardly stellar on your part.

Then why don't you produce evidence that a deity fine tuned the universe and be done with it.

 

[RichardParker]

So in your world, how does nothing turn into something that is also very complex and alive?

In your world, why isn't there life on Mars?

In your world, I suppose natural, unguided processes created apes, then they advanced to become more intelligent and then created computers, airplanes and ipods....which started from....nothing or at the least simple cells. That is rather incredible, wouldn't you say? Nature creating ipods.....

I don't have a personal world. As much as this would kick ass, unfortunatelly, I have to accept reality on realities terms.

And where did I say that nothing turned into something? I never said anything like that, and I don't know where you got that idea from.
ESPECIALLY, when it comes to complex life.
Because that came from simpler life-forms, which again came from even simpler life-forms, back to a point where the line between actual life and just chemistry gets somewhat muddy.

And why isn't there life on Mars?
Well, because Mars has very, very different conditions than earth. And life is a fairly complex things, so you won't get it under any random conditions. The conditions seem to be very specific and in our solar system, only earth seems to match these conditions.

 

[PsychoSarah]

So in your world, how does nothing turn into something that is also very complex and alive?

In your world, why isn't there life on Mars?

In your world, I suppose natural, unguided processes created apes, then they advanced to become more intelligent and then created computers, airplanes and ipods....which started from....nothing or at the least simple cells. That is rather incredible, wouldn't you say? Nature creating ipods.....

One, no one claims that life came from nothing. We don't even really claim the universe came from nothing.

Two, there is evidence to suggest at one point there was life on Mars, the reason there isn't any now being that through some event, likely a solar storm, eliminated most of that planet's atmosphere, thus dooming any life that could have been there.

Nature is incredible

 

[Oncedeceived]

Then why don't you produce evidence that a deity fine tuned the universe and be done with it.

I have never claimed that I have evidence that God fine tuned the universe. I have always maintained that the measurements/values of the universe that allow the existence of the universe and life on earth give the appearance of design and that appearance supports the theist's worldview that God created the universe.

 

[Oncedeceived]

One, no one claims that life came from nothing. We don't even really claim the universe came from nothing.

You don't know. That is ok.

Two, there is evidence to suggest at one point there was life on Mars, the reason there isn't any now being that through some event, likely a solar storm, eliminated most of that planet's atmosphere, thus dooming any life that could have been there.

The source please that proves that there was life on Mars, and that it is no longer there by an event that eliminated most of the planet's atmosphere dooming all life that could have been there.

Nature is incredible

Yes it is I agree. However, being incredible is descriptive and nothing more.

 

[Oncedeceived]

Objective? How so? How do you quantify or measure this 'design', particularly in the absence of other universes with which to compare?

The measurements of the elements/factors/constants that must be the way they are and if even minutely changed would eliminate the possibility of the universe existing or life as we know it on earth.

We know the necessary requirements for the existence of the universe as well as life on earth so other universes are not relevant to the requirements of this one.

What is this objective evidence that you speak of?

The scientific measurements and consequences of changes to the values of our universe.

 

[PsychoSarah]

You don't know. That is ok.



The source please that proves that there was life on Mars, and that it is no longer there by an event that eliminated most of the planet's atmosphere dooming all life that could have been there.


Yes it is I agree. However, being incredible is descriptive and nothing more.

Whether or not there was life on Mars is debatable, however, I can source the fact that the planet doesn't have much of an atmosphere.
http://coolcosmos.ipac.caltech.edu/ask/79-Does-Mars-have-an-atmosphere-

:: NASA Quest > Aerospace ::

 

[Loudmouth]

I have never claimed that I have evidence that God fine tuned the universe.

So the appearance of design is not evidence for design?

 

[Davian]

The measurements of the elements/factors/constants that must be the way they are and if even minutely changed would eliminate the possibility of the universe existing or life as we know it on earth.

We know the necessary requirements for the existence of the universe as well as life on earth so other universes are not relevant to the requirements of this one.


The scientific measurements and consequences of changes to the values of our universe.

You did not directly answer either question.

Nothing changes.

 

[Loudmouth]

The measurements of the elements/factors/constants that must be the way they are and if even minutely changed would eliminate the possibility of the universe existing or life as we know it on earth.

The same for the Face on Mars.

We know the necessary requirements for the existence of the universe as well as life on earth so other universes are not relevant to the requirements of this one.

The same for the Face on Mars.

 

[Loudmouth]

You don't know. That is ok.

You don't know, either. Inserting God into the gaps in our knowledge is a very poor argument.

 

[Oncedeceived]

You don't know, either. Inserting God into the gaps in our knowledge is a very poor argument.

You are correct. If I were doing that.

 

[Loudmouth]

You are correct. If I were doing that.

That is precisely what you are doing.

 

[Oncedeceived]

Whether or not there was life on Mars is debatable, however, I can source the fact that the planet doesn't have much of an atmosphere.
Does Mars have an atmosphere? | Cool Cosmos

:: NASA Quest > Aerospace ::

Which is not really relevant to the fact that life was ever there or could be or that an event made it lifeless.

 

[Oncedeceived]

That is precisely what you are doing.

No, I am sorry I am not. I am using the "known" measurements that are a requirement for our universe and all life in it to exist.

 

[Davian]

You don't know. That is ok.

The source please that proves that there was life on Mars, and that it is no longer there by an event that eliminated most of the planet's atmosphere dooming all life that could have been there.

Yes it is I agree. However, being incredible is descriptive and nothing more.

"Appears to be designed" is being descriptive, and nothing more, in the absence of something to compare it to.

 

[Loudmouth]

No, I am sorry I am not.

Your own words demonstrate otherwise.

I am using the "known" measurements that are a requirement for our universe and all life in it to exist.

And since we can't present known natural processes to account for them, you argue that God must have created those measurements. That is a God of the Gaps argument.

 

[Oncedeceived]

So the appearance of design is not evidence for design?

No, the evidence is for the appearance of design. It the evidence does give support to the Christian worldview of actual design.

 

[EternalDragon]

Then why don't you produce evidence that a deity fine tuned the universe and be done with it.

It has been given to you many times but you don't except the words written by God through godly men as evidence.

Barring that, you see the evidence of a creator all around you. Just as you see evidence of man's inventions and creations all around you. Your rebellion is not an excuse for lack of evidence.

 

[Loudmouth]

No, the evidence is for the appearance of design. It the evidence does give support to the Christian worldview of actual design.

Define "design" and show how it is falsifiable. Otherwise, your claims mean nothing.