Darwinism is a Pseudo-Science (2)

[justlookinla]

Not if you are unwilling to pick up that thread where we left off, no.

Your... choice.

Soooo....that's a 'no' from you.

Next!

 

[Davian]

Soooo....that's a 'no' from you.

Until you join me in that thread, yes. We can then discuss those decisions I am not making.

Next!

Back to the straw mine for you?

 

[justlookinla]

Until you join me in that thread, yes. We can then discuss those decisions I am not making.


Back to the straw mine for you?

It's up to you to discuss it or not.

 

[Davian]

It's up to you to discuss it or not.

I'm in. We left off, with the ball in your court, here.

 

[justlookinla]

I'm in. We left off, with the ball in your court, here.

Actually, it's not. The ball is in your court here.

 

[Davian]

Actually, it's not. The ball is in your court here.

No, that one was out of play. Are you are going to continue to be rude? Is this a Christian thing, or just you?

Don't say I didn't offer.

 

[justlookinla]

No, that one was out of play. Are you are going to continue to be rude? Is this a Christian thing, or just you?

Don't say I didn't offer.

This is more of the mountains of nothing you keep presenting.

 

[Oncedeceived]

I do recall where we left off.

You will need to first show me a universe that was actually designed.

I answered that, you have not answered mine.

 

[Oncedeceived]

For starters, it's possible to witness someone designing said thing.

How often have you seen someone designing a tv or computer?

Does the design of certain products give the appearance of design? Yes or no?

We can recognize what something designed "looks" like right? Yes or no?

 

[Davian]

This is more of the mountains of nothing you keep presenting.

I am not here to champion science, or promote my beliefs, or lack thereof.

It may be that this forum exists just for non-believers to see how Christians such as yourself behave when their beliefs are challenged. An interesting concept.

It is more probable that this forum exists for you, the self-identified Christian, to present your beliefs, and justify them as you see fit. I would hope you could do better than a condescending tone, misrepresenting others' positions, and (incorrectly) telling them what they think. But, it may be all you have.

Merry Christmas. (never too soon to start )

 

[Davian]

I answered that, you have not answered mine.

Of course not. If you do not first show me a universe that was actually designed, I cannot develop the criteria needed to comment on what would constitute the differences between a "designed" universe and one that was the product of natural processes.

 

[Oncedeceived]

Of course not. If you do not first show me a universe that was actually designed, I cannot develop the criteria needed to comment on what would constitute the differences between a "designed" universe and one that was the product of natural processes.

Irrelevant to my questions.

 

[justlookinla]

I am not here to champion science, or promote my beliefs, or lack thereof.

Of course you are. Remember the 'mountains of evidence' debacle?

It may be that this forum exists just for non-believers to see how Christians such as yourself behave when their beliefs are challenged. An interesting concept.

Only in your world would someone make such a claim.

It is more probable that this forum exists for you, the self-identified Christian, to present your beliefs, and justify them as you see fit. I would hope you could do better than a condescending tone, misrepresenting others' positions, and (incorrectly) telling them what they think. But, it may be all you have.

Merry Christmas. (never too soon to start )

You still have this and this outstanding.

 

[Davian]

Of course you are. Remember the 'mountains of evidence' debacle?

No. Links please.

Only in your world would someone make such a claim.

Not a claim, but an observation supported by the data.

You still have this

Post #774.

and this outstanding.

Post # 786. Have you tasked yourself with turning people away from Christianity?

 

[Davian]

Irrelevant to my questions.

Are we discussing consumer electronics or universes?

 

[EternalDragon]

Of course not. If you do not first show me a universe that was actually designed, I cannot develop the criteria needed to comment on what would constitute the differences between a "designed" universe and one that was the product of natural processes.

Do you have an example of a universe that is the product of natural processes or even know how natural processes would go about designing a universe from nothing?

So I guess we are back to the original issue.

 

[DogmaHunter]

Does a watch appear designed?
Does a computer appear designed?
Does a house appear designed?
Does a cell phone appear designed?

Does the appearance of design come from actual design?

Those things don't merely "appear" to be designed. They ARE designed. And the reason we know that is not even because we know of factories and actual human designers that design and produce these things.

We know it purely by contrasting it with other things in the world, things that we know are designed and things that we know are not designed.
Computers, for example, hold plenty of materials that don't exist in nature.

In order to draw the same conclusion for the entire universe, we would have to be able to contrast it with other universes - preferably universes that ARE designed and universes that aren't.

Are random rocks designed? Do they appear to be?
Are you sure I can't come up with random natural rocks that appear designed?

 

[DogmaHunter]

No I'm not. Appearance of design is either due to actual design or something else.

Yes.

However...

- "appearance of X" is subjective to the observer. What appears to be designed to you, might not appear to be designed to me.

- your a priori religious beliefs require you to believe the universe is designed even before the question is asked. So it's not surprising to me that you take the position that you do.

 

[DogmaHunter]

Yes, that's common along with 'don't know' and 'nothing did it'. All evasion tactics.

Saying that we don't know when we don't know is an "evasion tactic"?

 

[DogmaHunter]

We can recognize what something designed "looks" like right? Yes or no?

Not necessarily.

I can design a rock as a piece of art and it could very well be indistinguishable from a non-designed rock.