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What you all have to remember is that Daniel's 70 weeks prophecy is a prophecy 70 weeks of years. That should tell you that each 7th year is a Sabbatical year. This means that the last year in the prophecy or the 490 year must be a Sabbatical year. This entire prophecy is a prophecy that is 10 Jubilees in length.
JESUS said: The Son of man is Lord also of the sabbath-Mark 2:v.28.

What did JESUS mean?
 
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9 And they of the people and kindreds and tongues and nations shall see their dead bodies three days and an half, and shall not suffer their dead bodies to be put in graves.

10 And they that dwell upon the earth shall rejoice over them, and make merry, and shall send gifts one to another; because these two prophets tormented them that dwelt on the earth.


Oseas, you wrote your opinion the Jewish church and Gentile church are the two witnesses: So, do you have a picture of the Jewish church and Gentile church - whatever those are ?

(Oseas wrote) "and the two candlesticks(TWO CHURCHES - JEWISH CHURCH AND GENTILE CHURCH - THE BODY OF CHRIST) standing before the God of the earth. These have power to shut heaven, that it rain not in the days of their prophecy: and have power over waters to turn them to blood(waters mean, peoples, and nations, and multitudes of all tongues-Revelation 17:v.15) and to smite the earth with all plagues, as often as they will."
JESUS said: the candlesticks are Churches-Revelation 1:v.20
And He said more: I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy, these are ... the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth-Revelation 11:v.3-4. They shall prophecy because the testimony of JESUS is the spirit of prophecy-Revelation 19:v.10

The description above is the own interpretation that my Lord JESUS gave by His message in Revelation. What matters and prevails is the Word of GOD. The Word is GOD.

Who in your imagination and your silly speculations are the two witnesses? Who are them?
 
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JESUS said: the candlesticks are Churches-Revelation 1:v.20
And He said more: I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy, these are ... the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth-Revelation 11:v.3-4. They shall prophecy because the testimony of JESUS is the spirit of prophecy-Revelation 19:v.10

The description above is the own interpretation that my Lord JESUS gave by His message in Revelation. What matters and prevails is the Word of GOD. The Word is GOD.

Who in your imagination and your silly speculations are the two witnesses? Who are them?
I don't know who the two individuals are, but they are certainly not the Jewish church and the Gentile church, as there is no such thing.
 
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I don't know who the two individuals are, but they are certainly not the Jewish church and the Gentile church, as there is no such thing.
Your thinking is from a human perspective, not from GOD's perspective.
The natural man receives not the things of the Spirit of GOD: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
 
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Also, the two witness are not two individuals. But many people that comprise the exhibition of the Candlesticks Smyrna and Philadelphia. Those are the two candlesticks of which God did not find disfavor with.

Jesus says the following:

Mat_18:20 For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them.

Now label each candlestick as you encounter them in the text as if labeling the candlesticks of the menorah, Now Put Jesus in the midst. Take away each candlestick that God finds fault with. What should remain is those two Candlesticks of Philadelphia and Smyrna, and you will find Jesus in the midst of them.
 
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Your thinking is from a human perspective, not from GOD's perspective.
The natural man receives not the things of the Spirit of GOD: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
Oseas, look in the mirror. Produce some pictures of the Jewish church and Gentile church that you say exists. Otherwise, your thinking is from a human perspective.
 
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It means in type that Jesus is Lord of the Millenial Reign.
Yes, the Millenial Kingdom -Revelation 11:15-18 and Luke 20:35-36- will be established in this seventh and last Day, the LORD's Day, or seventh and last millennium, the Millennium of Vengeance, the Millennium of the Judgment Seat of Christ.
 
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Yes, the Millenial Kingdom -Revelation 11:15-18 and Luke 20:35-36- will be established in this seventh and last Day, the LORD's Day, or seventh and last millennium, the Millennium of Vengeance, the Millennium of the Judgment Seat of Christ.
The Jewish calendar you see today is not how it was in the time of Christ.
 
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The Jewish calendar you see today is not how it was in the time of Christ.
My point is to show by the Word of GOD, the Word is GOD, that the seventh and last millennium arrived, actually we are living in the first century of the seventh and last millennium, or seventh and last Day, the LORD's Day, and the Millenial Kingdom will be established -Revelation 11:15-18 and Luke 20:35-36- even in this seventh and last millennium, the Millennium of Vengeance, the Millennium of the Judgment Seat of Christ.
By the way, the Eternal chastisement had a pre-determined time to start even in this current time and it is already running indeed, and now the punishments will NEVER end, it will never stop, it is for ever and ever. Woe of the inhabitants of the earth.


Yeah, woe of the inhabitants of the earth, for upon the earth there will be distress of nations, with perplexity; men's hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth from now on , even the powers of heaven shall be shaken. The Word is GOD, and is self-executing. In fact, the nations will be wrathed-Revelation 11:v.18, but GOD's WRATH is come - WRATH X WRATH - and GOD will destroy them which destroy the earth.
 
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My point is to show by the Word of GOD, the Word is GOD, that the seventh and last millennium arrived, actually we are living in the first century of the seventh and last millennium, or seventh and last Day, the LORD's Day, and the Millenial Kingdom will be established -Revelation 11:15-18 and Luke 20:35-36- even in this seventh and last millennium, the Millennium of Vengeance, the Millennium of the Judgment Seat of Christ.
By the way, the Eternal chastisement had a pre-determined time to start even in this current time and it is already running indeed, and now the punishments will NEVER end, it will never stop, it is for ever and ever. Woe of the inhabitants of the earth.


Yeah, woe of the inhabitants of the earth, for upon the earth there will be distress of nations, with perplexity; men's hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth from now on , even the powers of heaven shall be shaken. The Word is GOD, and is self-executing. In fact, the nations will be wrathed-Revelation 11:v.18, but GOD's WRATH is come - WRATH X WRATH - and GOD will destroy them which destroy the earth.
I don't believe that the 7th Millennium has arrived. I know it hasn't. I already know when it is coming. You should look up and understand the count of the 120 Jubilees (Genesis 6:3). Learn about the Jubilee and when they occurred and you can know when Christ will come again.
 
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I don't believe that the 7th Millennium has arrived. I know it hasn't. I already know when it is coming. You should look up and understand the count of the 120 Jubilees (Genesis 6:3). Learn about the Jubilee and when they occurred and you can know when Christ will come again.
From your own words above, I can foresee that the time tracking system you are selling, I would say, your calendar, does not fit within the Chronology of the Word of God - the Word is God -, therefore it is false and misleading, it is something as a cunningly devised fable, and tends to be burned in this current time in LITERAL fulfillment of 2 Peter 3:10. Take a look.
 
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From your own words above, I can foresee that the time tracking system you are selling, I would say, your calendar, does not fit within the Chronology of the Word of God - the Word is God -, therefore it is false and misleading, it is something as a cunningly devised fable, and tends to be burned in this current time in LITERAL fulfillment of 2 Peter 3:10. Take a look.

Nothing in what you just wrote counters anything I stated. And I have far greater evidence. For example, it is understood from the early Church era that the count to Pentecost was representative of counting the Jubilees. How many days are there from Pentecost to the Day of Atonement (when a Jubilee is declared)? - 120 exactly. Coincidence? No. What type were we given? - Moses. Was Jesus a Prophet like unto Moses? - Yes:

Act 3:22 For Moses truly said unto the fathers, A prophet shall the Lord your God raise up unto you of your brethren, like unto me; him shall ye hear in all things whatsoever he shall say unto you.

How long was Moses ministry? - 40 years. How long will Jesus ministry of guiding His Congregation through this wilderness (40 Jubilees). How old was Moses when he began his - 80 years old. In what Jubilee did Jesus begin guiding His Congregation through the wilderness - 80th. When did Moses die? - 120 years old. What will be the last Jubilee that Jesus will guide his Congregation through in this wilderness - 120th.

What was the type that Joshua set? - the 2nd coming of Christ.


I can go on and on on.
 
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Nothing in what you just wrote counters anything I stated. And I have far greater evidence. For example, it is understood from the early Church era that the count to Pentecost was representative of counting the Jubilees. How many days are there from Pentecost to the Day of Atonement (when a Jubilee is declared)? - 120 exactly. Coincidence? No. What type were we given? - Moses. Was Jesus a Prophet like unto Moses? - Yes:

Act 3:22 For Moses truly said unto the fathers, A prophet shall the Lord your God raise up unto you of your brethren, like unto me; him shall ye hear in all things whatsoever he shall say unto you.

How long was Moses ministry? - 40 years. How long will Jesus ministry of guiding His Congregation through this wilderness (40 Jubilees). How old was Moses when he began his - 80 years old. In what Jubilee did Jesus begin guiding His Congregation through the wilderness - 80th. When did Moses die? - 120 years old. What will be the last Jubilee that Jesus will guide his Congregation through in this wilderness - 120th.

What was the type that Joshua set? - the 2nd coming of Christ.


I can go on and on on.
You are saying nothing about the times from Adam until the current time, neither on 2nd Christ's coming. From your own words above, I can foresee that the time tracking system you are selling, I would say, your calendar, does not fit within the Chronology of the Word of God - the Word is God -, therefore it is false and misleading, it is something as a cunningly devised fable, and tends to be burned in this current time in LITERAL fulfillment of 2 Peter 3:10. Take a look.
 
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JESUS said: the candlesticks are Churches-Revelation 1:v.20
And He said more: I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy, these are ... the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth-Revelation 11:v.3-4. They shall prophecy because the testimony of JESUS is the spirit of prophecy-Revelation 19:v.10

The description above is the own interpretation that my Lord JESUS gave by His message in Revelation. What matters and prevails is the Word of GOD. The Word is GOD.

Who in your imagination and your silly speculations are the two witnesses? Who are them?
If the 2 candlesticks are 2 churches then where is Elijah in your view of prophecy?

Malachi 4:5
 
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If the 2 candlesticks are 2 churches then where is Elijah in your view of prophecy?

Malachi 4:5
If you believe in the Word of GOD, what matters and prevails is Matthew 17:12, the Word is GOD, understand?
 
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If you believe in the Word of GOD, what matters and prevails is Matthew 17:12, the Word is GOD, understand?
Believing in the return of elijah before the return of the lord is one of signs of the true messianic age

John was not elijah even testified he was not and Jesus confirmed he came in the spirit of Elijah John was a type a shadow for when Elijah does come before his second return to Israel
 
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You are saying nothing about the times from Adam until the current time, neither on 2nd Christ's coming. From your own words above, I can foresee that the time tracking system you are selling, I would say, your calendar, does not fit within the Chronology of the Word of God - the Word is God -, therefore it is false and misleading, it is something as a cunningly devised fable, and tends to be burned in this current time in LITERAL fulfillment of 2 Peter 3:10. Take a look.
Again, you have not refuted anything I have stated. I will ignore direct comments to you moving forward but will still directly engage the dicussion.
 
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Again, you have not refuted anything I have stated. I will ignore direct comments to you moving forward but will still directly engage the dicussion.
I can foresee that the time tracking system you are selling, I would say, your calendar, does not fit within the Chronology of the Word of God - the Word is God -, therefore it is false and misleading, it is something as a cunningly devised fable. Prove that what you try to say fit with the Chronology of the Word of GOD. The Word is GOD, understand? What maters and prevails for us readers is the Truth. GOD is Truth.
 
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Believing in the return of elijah before the return of the lord is one of signs of the true messianic age

John was not elijah even testified he was not and Jesus confirmed he came in the spirit of Elijah John was a type a shadow for when Elijah does come before his second return to Israel
JESUS confirmed the prophecy of Malachi 4:5, revealing for His disciples according Matthew 17:10-13:

10 The disciples asked JESUS, saying, Why then say the scribes that Elias must first come?

11 And Jesus answered and said unto them, Elias truly shall first come, and restore all things.

12 But I say unto you, That Elias is come already, and they knew him not, but have done unto him whatsoever they listed. Likewise shall also the Son of man suffer of them.

13 Then the disciples understood that he spake unto them of John the Baptist.

The theory you are believing is not of yours certainly, I say this because in fact it is a false interpretation of the Word of GOD of those who believed not in JESUS, that's an invention of the spirit of error, spirit of deceit, therefore, it's a false prophecy and will NEVER be fulfilled, but NEVER, because is not true.
 
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