Daniel's 2300 days - what's interesting is what's missing

[Bobgf]

We also know that the 2300 evenings and mornings is referring to the same "seven" as Daniel 9 when the abomination is set up and desolation occurs because it is describing the same event.

Now, one seven is 7 years or 2520 days. Why is there, then, only 2300 days from the time the abom is set up until the sanctuary is reconsecrated?
Is it because the time is shortened for the sake of the elect?
Ezek 40-48 shows the sanctuary being reconsecrated (chapter 43, in particular).

Doesn't anyone find it interesting that 2300 days is 7 months 10 days shy of one 'seven' and there are scriptures that talk about the day of atonement to be celebrated on the 10th day of the 7th month? Is that a coincidence or what could it mean?

If the count starts on Day of Atonement, it ends on New Years Day.


Starting the 7th month 10th day of the year (Day of Atonement),

and after 6years 4months 20days or 2300 days later,

it ends on the 7th year 1st month 1st day (New Years Day).


Sounds plausible for a 360 day year.

 

[HisdaughterJen]

You've been playing with the numbers, Jen, I would never have noticed.
Oh, the law states that the daily sacrifice is that of morning and evening, 2,300 equals 1,150 days, roughly 3 1/2 times.

Ok, so how do we know it's not 4600 sacrifices if there are 2300 evenings and mornings? One sacrifice for each evening and one for each morning?

It seemed to me to be a count of days, not sacrifices.....right?

 

[HisdaughterJen]

If the count starts on Day of Atonement, it ends on New Years Day.


Starting the 7th month 10th day of the year (Day of Atonement),

and after 6years 4months 20days or 2300 days later,

it ends on the 7th year 1st month 1st day (New Years Day).


Sounds plausible for a 360 day year.

THAT is exactly what I had trouble figuring up...

...because there are two "new year's days", right? Nisan 1 and Tishri 10 (Rosh Hashanah) depending on which calendar they're using.

God appears to use the Nisan 1 as the first day because the 10th day of the 7th month is the day of Atonement.

It's really confusing...


It says 2300 days AND THEN the sanctuary will be reconsecrated. How long would that take?

Zech 14 describes Jesus touching foot on the Mt. of Olives and then a yearly celebration of Tabernacles. The sanctuary would have to be reconsecrated prior to Tabernacles of the year in which He returns, wouldn't it?

 

[HisdaughterJen]

Something else...possibly related...

Eze 39:12 ” ‘For seven months the house of Israel will be burying them in order to cleanse the land.
Eze 39:13 All the people of the land will bury them, and the day I am glorified will be a memorable day for them, declares the Sovereign LORD.
Eze 39:14 ” ‘Men will be regularly employed to cleanse the land. Some will go throughout the land and, in addition to them, others will bury those that remain on the ground. At the end of the seven months they will begin their search.



Scenario:

ON Purim (esther story): God saves Israel from invasion and turns the tables on the invaders, destroys them in the mountains and plains of Israel. (Ezek 38/39)

For Seven months, the house of Israel is burying the dead in order to cleanse the land.

For Seven years, they are burning the weapons for fuel.


Eze 39:9 ” ‘Then those who live in the towns of Israel will go out and use the weapons for fuel and burn them up—the small and large shields, the bows and arrows, the war clubs and spears. For seven years they will use them for fuel.
Eze 39:10 They will not need to gather wood from the fields or cut it from the forests, because they will use the weapons for fuel. And they will plunder those who plundered them and loot those who looted them, declares the Sovereign LORD.


hmmm....I feel like I'm circling around something important but am not putting my finger on it...it's the 2300 days again and the seven years again with 7 months removed for a purpose again...

Isn't that like preparation for seven years of famine/tribulation? It says that they gather enough for seven years...like Joseph in Egypt...

Is it possible that the abomination that causes desolation (that starts the 2300 days) is around the Day of Atonement? That would mean that a temple would have to be built in that 7 month time span and then desecrated by that bad guy...

 

[DOD]

RND,

Alexander conquered Persia in 334BC. If we were to add 145 years to your scenario, we would come to approximately 189BC, a full twenty+ years before Antiochus Epiphanes could have come to power. How do you explain this difference?

After the death of Alexander , the empire was divided among four of his generals. This was not an altogether peaceful settlement, however. Seleucus finally was able to consolidate his power and control over the territory that included Syria, Babylonia in 312 BC. Although Ptolemy’s influence was principally in Egypt and Arabia Petrea, he also exercised control over Palestine. However, this latter territory became a hotly contested area between the Ptolemies and the Seleucids for many years. In any case, Maccabees is apparently counting from the time that Seleucus consolidated his power in 312 BC.

Assuming I am working in the wrong direct two things come to mind.

1) Where in scripture can we deduce that the 2300 days are "divided" in two?

2) If we divide the 6.38 years in two, as you suggest, we come to 3.19 years. Where is this time of 3.19 years fall in your scenario?

In my last post to Jen I explained why the 2300 “evenings and mornings” refers to the daily sacrifices. Since there would be two “daily” sacrifices every day, it would take 1150 days to offer 2300 “daily” sacrifices. So, we’re looking for a period of 1150 days. And, as I have shown from the references from secular history in 1Maccabees, 1150 days is exactly the duration of the suspension of the daily sacrifices by Antiochus.

Where does this scripture or better yet HOW does this scripture tell us that the daily sacrifice would "return" only to be taken away again?

Assuming your point is correct for a moment, that Antiochus Epiphanes took away the sacrifice, what verse or collection of verses describe the "return" of the daily sacrifice only to be taken away again at an even later date?

The Bible is clear that Jesus Christ is the "last sacrifice" for sin. If, by Jesus being the "last sacrifice," he took away the "daily sacrifice" where in your scenario does scripture mention that Antiochus Epiphanes would take away the sacrifice and where does scripture show that it was restored after Antiochus Epiphanes?

You’re trying to tie two unrelated things together. Dan. 8 is talking about events that would be fulfilled during the Grecian kingdom. That is exactly what Gabriel said. The suspension of the morning and evening sacrifices that is mentioned in Dan. 8 was fulfilled in the days of Antiochus Epiphanes. Dan. 8:11 tells us that the “little horn” (Antiochus) would remove the regular sacrifice and take away the lawful worship in the sanctuary. In Dan. 8:14, Gabriel declares that after 2300 “evenings and mornings” the holy place would be restored.

Dan 8:26
And the vision of the evening and the morning which was told [is] true: wherefore shut thou up the vision; for it [shall be] for many days.

And yet, your scenario doesn't seem to conclude the "many days" that Daniel's vision is accomplished.

How so? Daniel received this vision about the year 550 BC. It was not fulfilled until about 165 BC. That’s, what, about 385 years? Sounds like “many days” to me!

Because Bible prophecy works just that way. For example, if you could somehow manage to equate your scenario into what actually transpired in scripture I might be inclined to pay better attention.

Let’s see. I looked at the prophecy. I found some pretty precise “flags” that would help us pinpoint when these things would occur (with specific mentions of two particular nations that were not at the time of the vision, but would one day be, powerful empires). I looked to secular history and could pretty well identify the large horn of the goat as Alexander the Great. I looked at secular history and could pretty well identify the four separate kingdoms that were formed after the death of Alexander, that were represented by the four horns. And I looked to secular history and found one man (Antiochus) who arose from one of those horns (the Seleucids) and trampled God’s people, desecrated the temple, and abolished the sacrifices for a period of exactly 1150 days. And now you want to come along and tell me “its all coincidence!” My goodness. I’ve known some agnostics in my time, but this….

But Dan 8:23-25 seems to suggest that after the "four horned" beast (divided Greece) "in the latter time of their kingdom" that another more powerful kingdom would conquer them. How does Antiochus Epiphanes fit in considering the power and total length of domination displayed by pagan Rome?

Antiochus came in, just as the scriptures describe, toward the end of the Grecian empire, and just a short time before Rome began to grow in its power and influence. Though he was not the rightful heir to the throne (that would have been one of the sons of Seleucus IV), Antiochus managed to usurp the throne for himself. He formed many alliances, but was known to work deceitfully against all his allies to enlarge his personal power. It was his policy to throw his intended victims off guard by offering them his friendship and alliance. Then he would maneuver for an advantageous position till he could catch them by surprise. He took the name “Epiphanes” which means “illustrious one” (not that he was conceited, of course). But he proved to be so contemptible that the people made a play on his name and called him “Epimanes” which means “Madman.” In short, everything that we can find in secular history about this man fits the description in Dan. 8 to a “T”.

 

[rdclmn72]

The only significance to the number of days is that the
verse repeats almost verbatim what is specified in the law.
So, if you have a prophetic detail that ties in to the law, it has to come to pass.
Its, no longer numeric trivia, it is now of a functional nature, it is now biblical.


Look at the following details;

Dn 7 contains the phrase;
The best was killed and the other three were allowed to live for a short time.
Why?
He was the only one to attack.
Dn 7 is definitely in the future.

Dn 8 also contains phrases;
- time of wrath
- time of the end

Dn 9 refers to details that are confirmed in the near future; e.g. the two times that Antiochus attacks Egypt.
The idea behind this is that a prophet's early ministry prepares the ground for the acceptance of his messsages to come later in the future.

Dn 7 gives us the main idea, an expounded view of the
same process, Dn 8 adds more detail that by content confirms and fleshes out Dn 7.
Dn 11 will use the word "time of the end".
Dn 12 wraps everything up.

 

[DOD]

Jen,

Ok, so how do we know it's not 4600 sacrifices if there are 2300 evenings and mornings? One sacrifice for each evening and one for each morning?

It seemed to me to be a count of days, not sacrifices.....right?

No. The Hebrew indicates not “days” (as in 2300 “24 hour periods”) but rather “evenings and mornings.” The context of this statement has reference to the fact that the “little horn” would “remove the regular sacrifice” (v11). In v12, Gabriel says that “the host (a reference to the Jews) will be given over to the horn along with the regular sacrifice…” In v13, Daniel asked, “How long will the vision about the regular sacrifice apply…” The “regular sacrifice” would be referring to the sacrifices that were offered every morning and every evening. So, in v14, Gabriel declared that with respect to “the regular sacrifice,” there would be “2300 evenings and mornings, then the holy place will be restored.” Clearly, Gabriel is tying “evenings and mornings” to “the regular sacrifice” and not to 2300 “24 hour” periods.

One of the things that really surprises me is how we can find a particular prophecy such as this fulfilled in such extraordinary detail, and yet people who are supposed to be believers of the Word dismiss it out of hand and chasing every speculative theory that walks in the door.

 

[HisdaughterJen]

The only significance to the number of days is that the
verse repeats almost verbatim what is specified in the law.
So, if you have a prophetic detail that ties in to the law, it has to come to pass.

Are you referring to the evenings and mornings as referring to sacrifices and not days?

If so, it's verbatim in Genesis too.

Gen 1:5God called the light "day," and the darkness he called "night." And there was evening, and there was morning--the first day.
Gen 1:8God called the expanse "sky." And there was evening, and there was morning--the second day.
Gen 1:13And there was evening, and there was morning--the third day.
Gen 1:19And there was evening, and there was morning--the fourth day.
Gen 1:23And there was evening, and there was morning--the fifth day.
Gen 1:31God saw all that he had made, and it was very good. And there was evening, and there was morning--the sixth day.



So, how can we know if the angel in Daniel was referring to 2300 sacrifices or 2300 days? If it were sacrifices, then wouldn't it be 4600 because there is a sacrifice in the morning and in the evening?

Dan 8:13 Then I heard one saint speaking, and another saint said unto that certain [saint] which spake, How long [shall be] the vision [concerning] the daily [sacrifice], and the transgression of desolation, to give both the sanctuary and the host to be trodden under foot? Dan 8:14 And he said unto me, Unto two thousand and three hundred days; then shall the sanctuary be cleansed.


hmmm...the KJV translates it as "days"...I'll check out the Hebrew...it indicates "evening and morning 2300"


Since when does God count time by sacrifices instead of by days?

 

[RND]

After the death of Alexander , the empire was divided among four of his generals. This was not an altogether peaceful settlement, however. Seleucus finally was able to consolidate his power and control over the territory that included Syria, Babylonia in 312 BC. Although Ptolemy’s influence was principally in Egypt and Arabia Petrea, he also exercised control over Palestine. However, this latter territory became a hotly contested area between the Ptolemies and the Seleucids for many years. In any case, Maccabees is apparently counting from the time that Seleucus consolidated his power in 312 BC.

Antiochus Epiphanes was born in 215 and began to rule in 175C. Had you stuck with my helps you would have found that from the end of Alexander to the time of the rule of Antiochus Epiphanes would have been closer to the "time line" you espouse.

Now, if I add 145 years to 312 I still come up with 167 BC a full three years before Antiochus Epiphanes invaded Jerusalem and a full 8 years after he rose to power. How do you explain such a disparity? Why is there an inaccuracy in the time line?

In my last post to Jen I explained why the 2300 “evenings and mornings” refers to the daily sacrifices. Since there would be two “daily” sacrifices every day, it would take 1150 days to offer 2300 “daily” sacrifices. So, we’re looking for a period of 1150 days. And, as I have shown from the references from secular history in 1Maccabees, 1150 days is exactly the duration of the suspension of the daily sacrifices by Antiochus.

I was looking for an exact Biblical cites to confirm this view. Can you share something to assist?

You’re trying to tie two unrelated things together. Dan. 8 is talking about events that would be fulfilled during the Grecian kingdom.

Then who or what is is the kingdom that is spoken of in Daniel 8:23-25?

Dan 8:23 ¶
And in the latter time of their kingdom, when the transgressors are come to the full, a king of fierce countenance, and understanding dark sentences, shall stand up.

This can not be possibly describing Antiochus Epiphanes simply because this verse is specifically talking about another kingdom that comes up "after" the king you claim is Antiochus Epiphanes.

You see the disparity?

That is exactly what Gabriel said. The suspension of the morning and evening sacrifices that is mentioned in Dan. 8 was fulfilled in the days of Antiochus Epiphanes.

I've heard that. What scripture describe that this will be resored in time for the Messiah's coming?

Dan. 8:11 tells us that the “little horn” (Antiochus) would remove the regular sacrifice and take away the lawful worship in the sanctuary. In Dan. 8:14, Gabriel declares that after 2300 “evenings and mornings” the holy place would be restored.

But not until the latter times of another kingdom.

Dan 8:17
So he came near where I stood: and when he came, I was afraid, and fell upon my face: but he said unto me, Understand, O son of man: for at the time of the end [shall be] the vision.

How so? Daniel received this vision about the year 550 BC. It was not fulfilled until about 165 BC. That’s, what, about 385 years? Sounds like “many days” to me!

Antiochus Epiphanes dies in 164 before ever reaching Jerusalem. That would mean to be "anti-christ" Antiochus Epiphanes was both dead and no where near Jerusalem during the Macabeans revolt.

Let’s see. I looked at the prophecy. I found some pretty precise “flags” that would help us pinpoint when these things would occur (with specific mentions of two particular nations that were not at the time of the vision, but would one day be, powerful empires). I looked to secular history and could pretty well identify the large horn of the goat as Alexander the Great. I looked at secular history and could pretty well identify the four separate kingdoms that were formed after the death of Alexander, that were represented by the four horns. And I looked to secular history and found one man (Antiochus) who arose from one of those horns (the Seleucids) and trampled God’s people, desecrated the temple, and abolished the sacrifices for a period of exactly 1150 days. And now you want to come along and tell me “its all coincidence!” My goodness. I’ve known some agnostics in my time, but this….

How can this possible be if Antiochus Epiphanes was dead before he ever reached Jerusalem?

Antiochus came in, just as the scriptures describe, toward the end of the Grecian empire, and just a short time before Rome began to grow in its power and influence. Though he was not the rightful heir to the throne (that would have been one of the sons of Seleucus IV), Antiochus managed to usurp the throne for himself. He formed many alliances, but was known to work deceitfully against all his allies to enlarge his personal power.

Is this a unique personality trait? Antiochus Epiphanes was no different than any other ruler described in the Bible.

It was his policy to throw his intended victims off guard by offering them his friendship and alliance. Then he would maneuver for an advantageous position till he could catch them by surprise. He took the name “Epiphanes” which means “illustrious one” (not that he was conceited, of course). But he proved to be so contemptible that the people made a play on his name and called him “Epimanes” which means “Madman.”

Is this a unique personality trait? Antiochus Epiphanes was no different than any other ruler described in the Bible.

In short, everything that we can find in secular history about this man fits the description in Dan. 8 to a “T”.

Accept a accurate historical timeline.

 

[RND]

JThe Hebrew indicates not “days” (as in 2300 “24 hour periods”) but rather “evenings and mornings.” .

Strongs #6153 `ereb - from '`arab' (6150); dusk:--+ day, even(-ing, tide), night.

Strongs #6153 `ereb

Arabia
1 Ki 10:15

days
Dan 8:14

even
Gen 19:1, Exo 12:18, Exo 12:18, Exo 16:6, Exo 16:12, Exo 16:13, Exo 18:14, Exo 29:39, Exo 29:41, Exo 30:8, Lev 11:24, Lev 11:25, Lev 11:27, Lev 11:28, Lev 11:31, Lev 11:32, Lev 11:39, Lev 11:40, Lev 11:40, Lev 14:46, Lev 15:5, Lev 15:6, Lev 15:7, Lev 15:8, Lev 15:10, Lev 15:10, Lev 15:11, Lev 15:16, Lev 15:17, Lev 15:18, Lev 15:19, Lev 15:21, Lev 15:22, Lev 15:23, Lev 15:27, Lev 17:15, Lev 22:6, Lev 23:5, Lev 23:32, Lev 23:32, Lev 23:32, Num 9:3, Num 9:5, Num 9:11, Num 9:15, Num 9:21, Num 19:7, Num 19:8, Num 19:10, Num 19:19, Num 19:21, Num 19:22, Num 28:4, Num 28:8, Deu 16:4, Deu 16:6, Deu 28:67, Deu 28:67, Jos 5:10, Jud 19:16, Jud 20:23, Jud 20:26, Jud 21:2, Ruth 2:17, 1 Sam 20:5, 2 Sam 1:12, 2 Sam 11:13, 1 Ki 22:35, 1 Chr 23:30, 2 Chr 18:34, Eze 12:4, Eze 12:7, Eze 24:18

evening
Gen 1:5, Gen 1:8, Gen 1:13, Gen 1:19, Gen 1:23, Gen 1:31, Gen 24:11, Gen 29:23, Gen 30:16, Exo 12:6, Exo 16:8, Exo 18:13, Exo 27:21, Lev 24:3, Deu 23:11, Jos 10:26, 1 Sam 14:24, 1 Sam 30:17, 1 Ki 17:6, 2 Ki 16:15, 1 Chr 16:40, 2 Chr 2:4, 2 Chr 13:11, 2 Chr 13:11, 2 Chr 31:3, Ezr 3:3, Ezr 9:4, Ezr 9:5, Est 2:14, Job 4:20, Psa 55:17, Psa 59:6, Psa 59:14, Psa 65:8, Psa 90:6, Psa 104:23, Psa 141:2, Eccl 11:6, Jer 6:4, Eze 33:22, Eze 46:2, Dan 8:26, Dan 9:21, Hab 1:8, Zeph 2:7, Zeph 3:3, Zech 14:7

eveningtide
2 Sam 11:2

eventide
Jos 7:6

night
Gen 49:27, Lev 6:20, Job 7:4, Psa 30:5

people
Jer 25:20, Jer 25:24, Jer 50:37, Eze 30:5

 

[HisdaughterJen]

Yeah...and uh...who is the "prince of the host"/"Prince of princes" that this bad guy magnified himself to and stood up against if it's all in the past?

It is speaking of events of the final 'seven'....from the abomination, to the desolation, to the host being trampled...the 2300 days are within the final 'seven'.

The final "seven" happens after the Messiah is cut off.

Antiochus Epiphanes died 150 - 200 years before Christ was even born, right?

 

[RND]

Are you referring to the evenings and mornings as referring to sacrifices and not days?

If so, it's verbatim in Genesis too.

Gen 1:5God called the light "day," and the darkness he called "night." And there was evening, and there was morning--the first day.
Gen 1:8God called the expanse "sky." And there was evening, and there was morning--the second day.
Gen 1:13And there was evening, and there was morning--the third day.
Gen 1:19And there was evening, and there was morning--the fourth day.
Gen 1:23And there was evening, and there was morning--the fifth day.
Gen 1:31God saw all that he had made, and it was very good. And there was evening, and there was morning--the sixth day.



So, how can we know if the angel in Daniel was referring to 2300 sacrifices or 2300 days? If it were sacrifices, then wouldn't it be 4600 because there is a sacrifice in the morning and in the evening?

Dan 8:13 Then I heard one saint speaking, and another saint said unto that certain [saint] which spake, How long [shall be] the vision [concerning] the daily [sacrifice], and the transgression of desolation, to give both the sanctuary and the host to be trodden under foot? Dan 8:14 And he said unto me, Unto two thousand and three hundred days; then shall the sanctuary be cleansed.


hmmm...the KJV translates it as "days"...I'll check out the Hebrew...it indicates "evening and morning 2300"


Since when does God count time by sacrifices instead of by days?

Jen, the word you're thinking of is yowm which is different than 'ereb. But I completely understand your point. They're trying to make one word say something it doesn't say.

Strongs #3117 yowm - from an unused root meaning to be hot; a day (as the warm hours), whether literal (from sunrise to sunset, or from one sunset to the next), or figurative (a space of time defined by an associated term), (often used adverb):--age, + always, + chronicals, continually(-ance), daily, ((birth-), each, to) day, (now a, two) days (agone), + elder, X end, + evening, + (for) ever(-lasting, -more), X full, life, as (so) long as (... live), (even) now, + old, + outlived, + perpetually, presently, + remaineth, X required, season, X since, space, then, (process of) time, + as at other times, + in trouble, weather, (as) when, (a, the, within a) while (that), X whole (+ age), (full) year(-ly), + younger.

 

[RND]

Yeah...and uh...who is the "prince of the host"/"Prince of princes" that this bad guy magnified himself to and stood up against if it's all in the past?

It is speaking of events of the final 'seven'....from the abomination, to the desolation, to the host being trampled...the 2300 days are within the final 'seven'.

The final "seven" happens after the Messiah is cut off.

Antiochus Epiphanes died 150 - 200 years before Christ was even born, right?

The final "seven" happens in the midst of the Messiah is cut off, but again I see your point. How can a man that's dead for over 150 years before the coming o the Messiah be the one that "cut-off" the Messiah?

One of those sticky timeline issues that they just can't seem to match.

 

[HisdaughterJen]

The final "seven" happens in the midst of the Messiah is cut off, but again I see your point.

Well, about that...I'm not so sure...because after the Messiah is cut off the temple is destroyed and those two events were 40 years apart so they couldn't be within the same 'seven' because a 'seven' is seven years, right?

Dan 9:26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary (2nd temple); and the end thereof (2nd temple)[shall be] with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined (for the 2nd temple).




Dan 9:27 And he (the prince that shall come) shall confirm the covenant with many for one week (final seven): and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease (3rd temple), and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make [it] desolate(3rd temple), even until the consummation (fulfillment), and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate (the host of saints).



If both the Messiah is cut off (about 27-30AD) and the temple is destroyed (about 67-70AD) after the 69th week and both events are 40 YEARS apart, then they do not happen in a final 'seven'.

However, in the final 'seven' an abomination occurs, sacrifices and oblation cease, and the people are trampled...therefore there will have to be a (yet another) temple in the final seven. The people (Romans) destroyed the 2nd temple. The prince that shall come (future) will be of those people but will make sacrifices cease in a future temple.

 

[RND]

Well, about that...I'm not so sure...because after the Messiah is cut off the temple is destroyed and those two events were 40 years apart so they couldn't be within the same 'seven' because a 'seven' is seven years, right?

Dan 9:26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary (2nd temple); and the end thereof (2nd temple)[shall be] with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined (for the 2nd temple).




Dan 9:27 And he (the prince that shall come) shall confirm the covenant with many for one week (final seven): and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease (3rd temple), and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make [it] desolate(3rd temple), even until the consummation (fulfillment), and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate (the host of saints).



If both the Messiah is cut off (about 27-30AD) and the temple is destroyed (about 67-70AD) after the 69th week and both events are 40 YEARS apart, then they do not happen in a final 'seven'.

However, in the final 'seven' an abomination occurs, sacrifices and oblation cease, and the people are trampled...therefore there will have to be a (yet another) temple in the final seven. The people (Romans) destroyed the 2nd temple. The prince that shall come (future) will be of those people but will make sacrifices cease in a future temple.

Jen, you make a great question. I'm fairly certain that verse 27 confirms in greater detail that which occurs in verse 26. Messiah is "cut off" in the middle of the week in both verses. But neither describe the destruction of the temple as occuring in this week (seven year) period.

"After 62 weeks Messiah shall be cut off..." but it doesn't say that during this seven year period Jerusalem is destroyed. So I have to conclude it is after ward. I'm fairly certain verse 27 confirms that point.

 

[thecountrydoc]

Hi Jen,

You are to be commended for your interest in the 2300 day prophecy. It is not only extreamly important, it is also the longest timed prophecy in the entire Bible. It also contains a prophecy within a prophecy.

Unfortunately the rather short answers given in this thread, as well as in most Bible studies, does not allow for indepth understanding of this prophecy.

Since this is your thread may I ask if you would like dig deeper into this entire topic? The benefit of doing so is that you will be able to answer your own question posed in your OP.

If your answer is yes, I will come back and post more that a few sentences, or a few text at a time, so that you may follow the entire context to reach a logical conclusion.

I look forward to your response.

Your friend and brother in Christ,
Doc

 

[HisdaughterJen]

Hi Jen,

You are to be commended for your interest in the 2300 day prophecy. It is not only extreamly important, it is also the longest timed prophecy in the entire Bible. It also contains a prophecy within a prophecy.

Unfortunately the rather short answers given in this thread, as well as in most Bible studies, does not allow for indepth understanding of this prophecy.

Since this is your thread may I ask if you would like dig deeper into this entire topic? The benefit of doing so is that you will be able to answer your own question posed in your OP.

If your answer is yes, I will come back and post more that a few sentences, or a few text at a time, so that you may follow the entire context to reach a logical conclusion.

I look forward to your response.

Your friend and brother in Christ,
Doc

Well, sure!

 

[PROPHECYKID]

Well, sure!

You are in for something good!

 

[HisdaughterJen]

You are in for something good!

I look forward to it!!

 

[HisdaughterJen]

We keep going off topic a little...but does anyone see the 2300 (7 years minus 7 months & the part about Purim) days in Ezek 38/39 that I pointed out in a previous post #24? Or am I off base?