Daniel 9: 62 weeks or 69 weeks?

[Rachel20]

A question arose in another OP about when Messiah was cut off in the Daniel 9 prophecy - was it after 62 weeks or after 69 weeks?

Here are the passages:

Dan 9:25 Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.

Dan 9:26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.


I believe a strict reading of v26 shows Messiah was cut off after 62 weeks, not 69. That v25 is worded as "seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks" does not mean that seven weeks came first, after which came 62 weeks, after which Messiah was cut off. Numbers are sometimes written this way in scripture (as in the genealogies of Genesis 11)

If I'm correct, then there is a week of weeks (7x7 = 49 years) that follows Messiah being cut off, but which isn't the same as the 70th week. I'm trying to resolve this, so don't have answers, just questions, and would love any thoughts on this.

 

[Rachel20]

Below is one explanation I found for why the "seven weeks" would be separated from, and precede, the 62, but it seems like a reach to find significance in the seven:

Since verse 25 calls out two groups of time as “seven weeks,” and then “sixty-two weeks” we understand them to cover a period of 49 years and 434 years. Since the command to build and restore Jerusalem came in 444 B.C., the 49 years end in 395 B.C. This date corresponds to the time that the last book of the Old Testament was written, which is Nehemiah (424-400 B.C.). Also the ministries of Ezra and Nehemiah end about this date. The date of 400 B.C. is commonly referred to as the beginning of the intertestemental period (400 B.C. to A.D. 1). The intertestemental period is called the silent period, when God did not speak and no books of the Bible were written. Is there some other significant event to which this date corresponds? We do not know.

The remaining 434 years when added to the 49 years equals 483 years, which take us to the last week in which Jesus died. This prophecy is primarily about the death of the Messiah and the future seven years of tribulation.

Is it significant the 7 weeks and 62 weeks are separated in Daniel 9:25?

 

[jeffweedaman]

If I'm correct, then there is a week of weeks (7x7 = 49 years) that follows Messiah being cut off, but which isn't the same as the 70th week.

I'm trying to resolve this, so don't have answers, just questions, and would love any thoughts on this.

God bless...
Messiah is only cut off after he arrives to accomplish the work God gave him to do.
He arrives after 7 and 62 weeks. He arrives after the 49 years AND the 434 years.......leaving one year (7 years) to get the accomplishment done.


25 So you are to know and discern that from the issuing of a decree to restore and rebuild Jerusalem until Messiah the Prince there will be seven weeks and sixty-two weeks; it will be built again, with plaza and moat, even in times of distress.



The High Priestly Prayer
17 Jesus spoke these things; and raising His eyes to heaven, He said, “Father, the hour has come; glorify Your Son, so that the Son may glorify You, 2 just as You gave Him authority over all mankind, so that to all whom You have given Him, He may give eternal life.

3 And this is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent. 4 I glorified You on the earth by accomplishing the work which You have given Me to do.

 

[Friedrich Rubinstein]

Perhaps another translation helps to see why the Messiah will die after 69 (7+62) weeks:

"From the time the word goes out to restore and rebuild Jerusalem until the Anointed One, the ruler, comes, there will be seven ‘sevens,’ and sixty-two ‘sevens.’ It will be rebuilt with streets and a trench, but in times of trouble. After the sixty-two ‘sevens,’ the Anointed One will be put to death and will have nothing."

So there are first 7 'sevens' and then 62 'sevens' and then "the Anointed One will be put to death".

 

[Rachel20]

I found another post that asks "If Israel would have received him, when would he have been made King?", suggesting that it's written as 62, because the time was cut short, and the other seven remains on the other side of the 62, yet unfulfilled because of their rejection. Oh well, you all are probably right, it seems to be the concensus with everything I've found. Still may ponder though.

 

[jeffweedaman]

So there are first 7 'sevens' and then 62 'sevens' and then "the Anointed One will be put to death".

Not quite.
The Anointed one appears immediately after the 7 and 62 weeks..... and John the Baptist is the only one in the know. Jn 1

 

[jeffweedaman]

I found another post that asks "If Israel would have received him, when would he have been made King?", suggesting that it's written as 62, because the time was cut short, and the other seven remains on the other side of the 62, yet unfulfilled because of their rejection. Oh well, you all are probably right, it seems to be the census with everything I've found. Still may ponder though.

He was born King...but it took the shedding of his blood to lay claim to all he considered to be his own and pour out his Holy Spirit on the cleansed...whether Jew or Gentile.

 

[Friedrich Rubinstein]

Not quite.
The Anointed one appears immediately after the 7 and 62 weeks..... and John the Baptist is the only one in the know. Jn 1

I'm not sure what you're trying to say, but Jesus was crucified about 1 week (literal week) after the 69 'sevens', so he fits perfectly.

 

[Rachel20]

He was born King...but it took the shedding of his blood to lay claim to all he considered to be his own and pour out his Holy Spirit on the cleansed...whether Jew or Gentile.

I think that blogger meant more of a coronation as King or a sitting on a throne as a King (he still sits at the right hand of his Father on his Father's throne, as a prince would). But then there's the triumphal entry where he presented himself as King insomuch as it was a fulfillment of Zec 9:9.

“Rejoice greatly, O daughter of Zion!
Shout, O daughter of Jerusalem!
Behold, your King is coming to you;
He is just and having salvation,
Lowly and riding on a donkey,
A colt, the foal of a donkey.

 

[jeffweedaman]

I'm not sure what you're trying to say, but Jesus was crucified about 1 week (literal week) after the 69 'sevens', so he fits perfectly.

He was cut off in the midst of the final week of 7 years. He is a perfect fit..... the ministry of reconciliation established through his blood was given to his chosen ones to take into the whole world.
It makes sense to me that the end of the 70th week prophecy to Israel concluded with the Gospel going to the Gentiles.
This does not mean all existing Jews are cut off...but Gods grace is sufficient for all those who truly repent down through the ages until his appearing a second time.

 

[d taylor]

I found another post that asks "If Israel would have received him, when would he have been made King?", suggesting that it's written as 62, because the time was cut short, and the other seven remains on the other side of the 62, yet unfulfilled because of their rejection. Oh well, you all are probably right, it seems to be the concensus with everything I've found. Still may ponder though.

After His Crucifixion and Resurrection.

 

[Friedrich Rubinstein]

He was cut off in the midst of the final week of 7 years. He is a perfect fit..... the ministry of reconciliation established through his blood was given to his chosen ones to take into the whole world.
It makes sense to me that the end of the 70th week prophecy to Israel concluded with the Gospel going to the Gentiles.
This does not mean all existing Jews are cut off...but Gods grace is sufficient for all those who truly repent down through the ages until his appearing a second time.

Perhaps. But I do find that the following explanation is highly plausible. If you feel like it you may listen to it:

 

[Rachel20]

It makes sense to me that the end of the 70th week prophecy to Israel concluded with the Gospel going to the Gentiles.

I still think v26 is a gap and the 70th week unfulfilled, but that's another topic

 

[jeffweedaman]

I think that blogger meant more of a coronation as King or a sitting on a throne as a King (he still sits at the right hand of his Father on his Father's throne, as a prince would). But then there's the triumphal entry where he presented himself as King insomuch as it was a fulfillment of Zec 9:9.

“Rejoice greatly, O daughter of Zion!
Shout, O daughter of Jerusalem!
Behold, your King is coming to you;
He is just and having salvation,
Lowly and riding on a donkey,
A colt, the foal of a donkey.

I am not referring to any blogger.

Like the scripture you posted though ......about Jesus having salvation in his hands, even before the shedding of his blood.

 

[Friedrich Rubinstein]

I still think v26 is a gap and the 70th week unfulfilled, but that's another topic

I also see a gap there, though IMHO the 70th week was fulfilled from 1938 to 1945. That's a whole different topic though, lol.

 

[Rachel20]

I am not referring to any blogger.

You were referring to my point about his being made king in #5, but that point was from a blogger whose post I mentioned there. It was confusing though.

 

[Rachel20]

I also see a gap there, though IMHO the 70th week was fulfilled from 1938 to 1945. That's a whole different topic though, lol.

We now have as many different opinions on that as we have commentors !!

 

[d taylor]

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I do not agree that the antichrist will be of gentile origin

 

[jgr]

I found another post that asks "If Israel would have received him, when would he have been made King?", suggesting that it's written as 62, because the time was cut short, and the other seven remains on the other side of the 62, yet unfulfilled because of their rejection. Oh well, you all are probably right, it seems to be the concensus with everything I've found. Still may ponder though.

Israel did receive Him and attempt to make Him king, but He rejected them (John 6:14-15).

Because His Kingdom is not of this world (John 18:36).

 

[jeffweedaman]

I still think v26 is a gap and the 70th week unfulfilled, but that's another topic

It is not, but all the best to you in your study.