Daniel 9:27

[clemenslee]

It seems to me that heptad in hebrew is Shabua - which has a meaning of week, a period of 7 days or years. Why would messiah cut-off be the only possible interpretation. Genesis 29 v27-28 gives us a description of what this seven is. Also Leviticus 25v8-13 also gives us a description of what 7's we are talking about. like wise a day for year can be found in Ezekiel 4v4-6, Numbers 14v33-34, Exosus 20v8-11, 23v10-12.

 

[Straightshot]

Because the prediction of the prophecy was fulfilled 100% related to the 483 years

So will the same be true for the 70th week of 7 years still pending .... the prophets are never wrong

This truth requires that the heptad be the week of 7 years .... it fits the prophecy

 

[clemenslee]

Nay .... a week of years is 7 years .... you do not count each day as a 360 day prophetic year .... this would return 2520 years for just one of the 70 weeks of years

70 of the heptads would then = 176,400 years

Suffice to say the exact time lapse from the going forth of the decreed to rebuild the city of Jerusalem and to the Lord's cutting off from 457 BC to 33 AD was 483 years

Hence, this same method of calculation must be applied to the remaining 70th week of 7 360 day years, or 2520 24 hour days.

No because "week" used in the final 70th week of Daniel was different than the 69 weeks. Daniel was a Jew and understood what 7's meant, because he would have understood the levitical order stated in Lev. 25 which follows the same pattern laid out in Daniel. which is a period of 7 YEARS, followed by a multiple of 7 YEARS and then a special Jubilee YEAR were each day of the year (360 days) counts as a sabbath. In Daniel 9 you have a period of 7 WEEKS, followed by a multiple of 62 WEEKS, followed by a single WEEK. So you would have 7x7=49, 62x7= 434, 49+434=483. and then a week like you said 7x360=2520 because it is a different kind of week than the first 69.

By this I absolutley agree that the 483yrs comes out exactly to the time of the Cross!

 

[Straightshot]

Well that's good .... but the same method of calculation must be used for the remaining 70th week, and not changed to the year for a day value to fit over the last 2000 years of time lapse

This was the issue that you and I had earlier ... I see the breach between the ending of the 69th ...... and the beginning of the 70th yet to come

And so do all of the prophets the same

Even the Lord looks long and to the beginning of the 70th in His discourse about the time of the end .... 70 AD was not the time of the end that He speaks of, and this should be obvious by the events He listed which have never yet taken place

 

[clemenslee]

The final 70th week is not the same in kind as the first 69. The final 70th week is a Jubilee, in which each day of a year counts as a sabbath. so you would have 7 years in which each year contains 360 sabbaths. Again look at Leviticus. Daniel would have understood this. 7x360=2520. Also no where did I ever say 70ad was the time of the end, thats furthest from the truth.

 

[Straightshot]

No .... I can't agree with you .... sorry

You did not say that 70 AD was the time of the end .... many on this forum do say this

My point is that the 70th week is not a part of the first 69, and still pending .... and the prophets and the Lord are silent between

At the same time there is no point in attempting to measure the same time lapse by changing the calculation of the first 69 to a different calculation for trying to predict dating of the fulfillment of the 70th ... the Lord has not revealed the dating of the beginning of the 70th in the first place

.... therefore making the attempt to date it impossible

It could begin before this day is over .... or He may tarry longer

 

[muddleglum]

The final 70th week is not the same in kind as the first 69. The final 70th week is a Jubilee, in which each day of a year counts as a sabbath. so you would have 7 years in which each year contains 360 sabbaths. Again look at Leviticus.

Each day counts as a sabbath? No picking up sticks for a fire? You lost me on this turn, I think.

 

[Douggg]

The final 70th week is not the same in kind as the first 69. The final 70th week is a Jubilee, in which each day of a year counts as a sabbath. so you would have 7 years in which each year contains 360 sabbaths. Again look at Leviticus. Daniel would have understood this. 7x360=2520. Also no where did I ever say 70ad was the time of the end, thats furthest from the truth.

Your calculations are off. The Jubilee year is every 49 years (7 Shmita's). So 49x360 = 17640 days (without the leap years figured in).

The Jubilee year is currently not being observed according Chabad.org. http://www.chabad.org/library/article_cdo/aid/513212/jewish/When-is-the-next-Jubilee-year.htm

The Jubilee year is once every 49 years, or at the end of 7 sabbatical years. A sabbatical year is the last year of a group of 7 regular years and we are currently in a sabbatical year. It is called a shmita and literally means "release". http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shmita

http://www.chabad.org/library/article_cdo/aid/538797/jewish/When-is-the-next-Sabbatical-Year.htm


Here is the confirmation of the covenant "for 7 years", what it is.... Moses wrote a law....

Deuteronomy 31:
9 And Moses wrote this law, and delivered it unto the priests the sons of Levi, which bare the ark of the covenant of the Lord, and unto all the elders of Israel.
10 And Moses commanded them, saying, At the end of every seven years, in the solemnity of the year of release, in the feast of tabernacles,
11 When all Israel is come to appear before the Lord thy God in the place which he shall choose, thou shalt read this law before all Israel in their hearing.
12 Gather the people together, men and women, and children, and thy stranger that is within thy gates, that they may hear, and that they may learn, and fear the Lord your God, and observe to do all the words of this law:
13 And that their children, which have not known any thing, may hear, and learn to fear the Lord your God, as long as ye live in the land whither ye go over Jordan to possess it.

The law was to commemorate Moses's instructions to go in and possess the promised land. So future generations would never forget that God gave them the land forever.


I have discussed this issue with the Jews themselves and they have not been doing the commemorative reading because they take the temple mount to be the place of God's choosing. Presently controlled by the muslims.

Even though the observance of confirming the Mt. Sinai covenant every 7 years has not been done for a long long time, the 7 year cycle the Shmita itself, which also governs allowing the land to rest every 7 years is still observed according to the Jews.... and this year is the rest year, the sabbatical year, I was just recently told.

Theoretically, this would be the year that the commemorative reading would be done - if the Jews controlled the temple mount and not the muslims, who won't even let the Jews pray on the temple mount.

But I would not get super excited that this fall, on the feast of Tabernacles, has to be the year for certain that the person who becomes the Antichrist oversees the reading and begins the 7 years - because the little horn in Daniel 7:25 is said to change the times and seasons .

If we see the following development, the possibility increases. The EU government has to become federalized to have ten leaders and then one leader over them, in similitude to our president - their version of the United States of Europe. Eventually it will come to that. Right now it is the goal of them pushing for such a Europe - called the European "project" over there. Here in the U.S. we are not aware, but over there it is common knowledge about the European "project".

 

[BABerean2]

This is my first post on the forum. So hello to everyone! So here we go, Daniel 9v24-27:

24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.
25 Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times
26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.
27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.


Verse 24 - States 6 things to be fulfilled during the 70wks of Daniel, but i'm mostly concerning the first 3 especially 2 & 3.

1: To finish the transgression - Which I believe means God restrains the 70 yr punishment listed in Jeremiah, Indeed that's what the prayer Daniel makes prior to these verses is about.

2: To make an end of sins - This meaning to literally seal up the sins that got them in the condition of punishment to begin with. As we would say "That chapter is closed and now we start a new chapter" Doesn't mean they (Jews) would never sin again, but just that the sins that got them there would be sealed up.

3: Make reconciliation for Iniquity - I believe "reconciliation" means to Cut a Covenant or to ratify a covenant as listed in Jeremiah 31v31-34. not only was this a ratifying to bring them back to the land, but also to bring them back to relationship with God through Christ which we all have the promise of. Our sins and iniquities are sealed up and removed.

Daniel 9v27 states: (KJV is used above) - And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week.

I don't want to get into a debate about how long the One week is, but I want to focus on who the He is and what covenant are we talking about.

So my Question is, could the he referred to Christ? The reason why I ask is because of the following: 1 - The style its written seems to follow a pattern. V26 has 2 parts ex: 1A- And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: 1B - and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.

V27 has 2 parts ex: 2A - And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: 2B -and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

2 - The word "confirm" in v27 - means to strengthen or to add strength/support to something. I doesn't seem to be the prince from 1B indeed I do not recall anywhere in scripture that a evil prince (Anti-christ, or anything of the sort, this not a discussion whether there is a anti-christ etc.) that strengthens any existing covenant.

3 - There is a definite article at least in the KJV before covenant which is "THE" - THE Covenant - which implies a specific covenant at hand, not "a covenant" which give a general meaning to it, but this is specific. Which if it is specific then - what covenant? This is where I believe Daniel 9v24 comes in to answer the question of the covenant. Its the same covenant that is not only granted to the Jews (Judah) but also us, which is to ratify or reconcile the covenant through Christ that our sins and iniquity will be seperated from us and sealed up so that we can come into right relationship with God the father!

So this was long winded to Just ask the question is the He that confirms the covenant Christ? Hope to read some replies. Thanks, and God Bless!

You are as brave as Daniel in the Lion's den to tackle this one.

Remember to take the text at face value.
Do not believe anything that comes from the mouth of a man.
That includes me. If it is not confirmed by what is plainly written in scripture, discard it.

You should start off with the words of Christ, since He wrote the whole book.


Mat 26:28 For this is my blood of the new testament(covenant), which is shed for many for the remission of sins.

When you have some time, carefully read the two articles in the links below.

Who Confirmed The Covenant?
Who Confirmed The Covenant? | Christian Media Research

Daniel’s 70 Weeks
https://www.christiancourier.com/articles/14-daniels-prophecy-of-the-seventy-weeks

The following is the commentary from the 1599 Geneva Bible, which is the Bible the Pilgrims brought to America.


Daniel 9:27
And he (a) shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to (b) cease, (c) and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make [it] desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

(a) By the preaching of the Gospel he affirmed his promise, first to the Jews, and after to the Gentiles.

(b) Christ accomplished this by his death and resurrection.

(c) Meaning that Jerusalem and the sanctuary would be utterly destroyed because of their rebellion against God, and their idolatry: or as some read, that the plague will be so great, that they will all be astonished at them.


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[Straightshot]

My comments


The six objectives listed in Daniel 9:24 will be achieved during the coming 70th week for Israel .... this schedule has nothing to do with today's "church"

This is directed to Daniel's people alone with regard for their holy city Jerusalem and to essentially finish Israel's transgressions, bring in everlasting righteousness, to complete [finish, carry out] the visions of Israel's prophets, and to anoint the most Holy, Israel's Messiah and King Jesus Christ

Israel's rejection of Jesus brought the Lord's delay of His intents for His nation and then offered His grace and salvation to the Gentiles of the nations

A few of Israel accepted Him as Messiah and King, but the balance has been in blindness for 2000 years to this very day as we speak

However, when the fullness of the Gentiles have been added, He will then turn His focus to Israel and the coming time of Jacob's trouble [the 70th week decreed] for the purpose of pressuring the nation to turn to Him

1/3 of the nation will turn and He will come and rescue them .... the balance will be killed [Zechariah 13:8-9; Romans 11:25-36]

He is the One who will confirm [renew] His everlasting covenant with the "many" [Jeremiah 31:31-37]

 

[Notrash]

I'd say that uts equally likely that they are not doing the reading because it will stand in testimony of a prophecied new prophet, the cursed way of the law, and their latter ends that were prophecued by moses. The law (book of deuteronony) was put in the ark as a testimony AGAINST them.

To clemensee; To comment on your points; Both judah & Israel qere permitted by Curus and subsequent kings to return. The jews rejected help from the samaratains and I think other Israelites and I think rejected financial support also from their fellow tribesmen. Hence the Samaratains had their own place of worship.

Samaratains were thought to be intermarried with Assyrians and alledgedly mixed in some of their worship which I think gradualky became purged out.

So, in my mind, the way of seeking to retain or aquire gods blessing by keeping a nimrodic style religiin (even though it was temporarily established by God himself) was judged against all tribes of Israel in 70 Ad in the light and testimony that the new covt and the law of faith established. As a second confirmatiin, the Sanhedrai. attempted to regroup the natiin to re-form under their faulty and mistaken ideals and goals from @75-132 AD. This was prophecied for the tribes of the assyrian dispersion in Is 7-12; Is 66:18-20 & 61:7 as the double honour to the freed followers of God/Jesus.

http://forums.carm.org/vbb/showthread.php?181545-Isaiah-7-8-forecast-132-135-AD

Your calculations are off. The Jubilee year is every 49 years (7 Shmita's). So 49x360 = 17640 days (without the leap years figured in).

The Jubilee year is currently not being observed according Chabad.org. When is the next Jubilee year? - Questions & Answers

The Jubilee year is once every 49 years, or at the end of 7 sabbatical years. A sabbatical year is the last year of a group of 7 regular years and we are currently in a sabbatical year. It is called a shmita and literally means "release". Shmita - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

When is the next Sabbatical year? - Shemittah


Here is the confirmation of the covenant "for 7 years", what it is.... Moses wrote a law....

The law was to commemorate Moses's instructions to go in and possess the promised land. So future generations would never forget that God gave them the land forever.


I have discussed this issue with the Jews themselves and they have not been doing the commemorative reading because they take the temple mount to be the place of God's choosing. Presently controlled by the muslims.

Even though the observance of confirming the Mt. Sinai covenant every 7 years has not been done for a long long time, the 7 year cycle the Shmita itself, which also governs allowing the land to rest every 7 years is still observed according to the Jews.... and this year is the rest year, the sabbatical year, I was just recently told.

Theoretically, this would be the year that the commemorative reading would be done - if the Jews controlled the temple mount and not the muslims, who won't even let the Jews pray on the temple mount.

But I would not get super excited that this fall, on the feast of Tabernacles, has to be the year for certain that the person who becomes the Antichrist oversees the reading and begins the 7 years - because the little horn in Daniel 7:25 is said to change the times and seasons .

If we see the following development, the possibility increases. The EU government has to become federalized to have ten leaders and then one leader over them, in similitude to our president - their version of the United States of Europe. Eventually it will come to that. Right now it is the goal of them pushing for such a Europe - called the European "project" over there. Here in the U.S. we are not aware, but over there it is common knowledge about the European "project".

 

[Notrash]

Here is very close to my take on Dan 9 & the 70 weeks, though I don't agree with his every comment or attitude, he mentions the points of hebrew parallelism and the intent of cause/effect of the hiphil verb tense.

Daniel Chapter 9

Danoh; re: your comments; thank you, but thank HIM. the main point is to give support to the idea that 'a covenant' refers to the everlasting (new) covt because of its being in the context of the prophecy of deut 30.

I might chalkange you to ask God to help you see abd understand rom 9-11 from the mind and thoughts of the writer (paul) and in particular to his first century audience rather than doctrine or prophecy to a distant church.

If you confess to God and youraelf that you aee willing to hear abd reciece in your person for your own life and for Christs glory whatever nessage Paul intented; then God will honour that request and lead you to gradual insights into Pauls intent and mind as he wrote.

Remember, he is writing to a fledgling small group who believed that the creator/lover of humanity had become incarnate but that his messafe was in contrast with (not like; jer 31:32) the way that he had previously delivered through Moses. (JOHN 1:17)



Compare rom 9:3ff with Ps 105:1-10 as characteristics of the new covt.

 

[Interplanner]

Yes, things should be read Christocentrically up to the battle v27, where they have to do with other people and things. So the covenant would not be a modern treaty; it would be the new covenant because it is Christ and God in covenant.

 

[clemenslee]

Douggg,

You are really twisting the math, I said the final week is contains 360 sabbaths in a year, which there are 7 of them. 7x360=2520 years. you can divide that by 49 if you wan't. 2520yrs/49=51.428571, 51.428571 Jubilee in 2520 years. 51.428571x7=359.9999957 or 360.

To be honest I really don't care whether the Jews observe it or not today. When Gods utters his word and puts it in motion, he will make it come to pass whether man sticks to it or not, that the problem we want to look at it through our eyes and what we perceive vs the way God sees it. History cannot be changed, and the fact is that for the first time in 2500 years Israel (the Jews) declared itself to be a new nation in 1948. While people may not agree, I believe God used this county the US (whom I believe is the head warrior tribe Ephraim) to come and give its brother Judah the help they needed to return home! Only by the Grace of God can a nation be reborn, and like a flip of a switch coming out of the Holocaust the Jews returned home. And like clock work Satan went to work, and attacked them from all sides during the 6 day war, in which those countries were held back. Coincidence I don;t think so, I believe its what God said would happen in due time! Israel wont be ruled by Gentile nations again. Sure they have Gentile citizens living there and the problems associated with that, but they will never be governed by Gentile ruler or kingdom again!

 

[Douggg]

Douggg,

You are really twisting the math, I said the final week is contains 360 sabbaths in a year, which there are 7 of them. 7x360=2520 years. you can divide that by 49 if you wan't. 2520yrs/49=51.428571, 51.428571 Jubilee in 2520 years. 51.428571x7=359.9999957 or 360.

The problem is the way you originally wrote it.... "The final 70th week is a Jubilee, in which each day of a year counts as a sabbath. so you would have 7 years in which each year contains 360 sabbaths. Again look at Leviticus. Daniel would have understood this."

No, each day of a year counts as a day - not a sabbath. In a year there are 360/7 = 51.42... sabbaths. The 7th year of the last week (of years) may be a Jubilee year. But not the whole week of years. There is not such a thing as a Jubilee week.

 

[clemenslee]

The problem is the way you originally wrote it.... "The final 70th week is a Jubilee, in which each day of a year counts as a sabbath. so you would have 7 years in which each year contains 360 sabbaths. Again look at Leviticus. Daniel would have understood this."

No, each day of a year counts as a day - not a sabbath. In a year there are 360/7 = 51.42... sabbaths. The 7th year of the last week (of years) may be a Jubilee year. But not the whole week of years. There is not such a thing as a Jubilee week.

Of course there is no such as a Jubilee week, we look at the week as a 7 separate years. Daniel was just viewing each of those years as jubilee, which you rest from the land for the entire year after returning to original owner. but lets look at this way. I can agree that there 51.42 sabbaths is in a normal 360 day year, now take 51.42 sabbaths for a year multiply it by 49 because its the 49th year is the jubilee, and you come out to 2520 yrs. 51.42x49=2519.58.

 

[Straightshot]

My comment


Just simply take the biblical account ..... adding in the "Jubilee week" idea has no relationship

The variables: 483 360 day prophetic years, 30 day months, the 24 hour day .... converted from the Julian calendar ..... this proves out to be the time lapse from 457 BC to 33 AD .... and this substantiates the correct definition of a week of years

.... the 70th portion of 7 years to the balance is still pending and has never taken place

 

[Juelrei]

This is my first post on the forum. So hello to everyone! So here we go, Daniel 9v24-27:

24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.
25 Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times
26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.
27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.


Verse 24 - States 6 things to be fulfilled during the 70wks of Daniel, but i'm mostly concerning the first 3 especially 2 & 3.

1: To finish the transgression - Which I believe means God restrains the 70 yr punishment listed in Jeremiah, Indeed that's what the prayer Daniel makes prior to these verses is about.

2: To make an end of sins - This meaning to literally seal up the sins that got them in the condition of punishment to begin with. As we would say "That chapter is closed and now we start a new chapter" Doesn't mean they (Jews) would never sin again, but just that the sins that got them there would be sealed up.

3: Make reconciliation for Iniquity - I believe "reconciliation" means to Cut a Covenant or to ratify a covenant as listed in Jeremiah 31v31-34. not only was this a ratifying to bring them back to the land, but also to bring them back to relationship with God through Christ which we all have the promise of. Our sins and iniquities are sealed up and removed.

Daniel 9v27 states: (KJV is used above) - And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week.

I don't want to get into a debate about how long the One week is, but I want to focus on who the He is and what covenant are we talking about.

So my Question is, could the he referred to Christ? The reason why I ask is because of the following: 1 - The style its written seems to follow a pattern. V26 has 2 parts ex: 1A- And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: 1B - and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.

V27 has 2 parts ex: 2A - And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: 2B -and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

2 - The word "confirm" in v27 - means to strengthen or to add strength/support to something. I doesn't seem to be the prince from 1B indeed I do not recall anywhere in scripture that a evil prince (Anti-christ, or anything of the sort, this not a discussion whether there is a anti-christ etc.) that strengthens any existing covenant.

3 - There is a definite article at least in the KJV before covenant which is "THE" - THE Covenant - which implies a specific covenant at hand, not "a covenant" which give a general meaning to it, but this is specific. Which if it is specific then - what covenant? This is where I believe Daniel 9v24 comes in to answer the question of the covenant. Its the same covenant that is not only granted to the Jews (Judah) but also us, which is to ratify or reconcile the covenant through Christ that our sins and iniquity will be seperated from us and sealed up so that we can come into right relationship with God the father!

So this was long winded to Just ask the question is the He that confirms the covenant Christ? Hope to read some replies. Thanks, and God Bless!

27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

He who confirms the covenant is also he who causes the sacrifice and oblation to cease. Would that be Jesus? No. It's not talking about the Biblical covenant of God with believers through Jesus Christ. It's not talking about the Biblical covenant of God with the Jews. It's talking about the covenant or agreement that the anti-christ makes with the Jews by which the Jews have permission (denied since 1948, 1967, 1973, since the Oslo Accords, and up to the present time) to set up their temple so they can begin making sacrifices.

The covenant at hand would be The Oslo Accords agreement of 1993. It called for a 7 year peace between the Jews and those Muslim surrounding nations. It ceased it's warranty in 2000. Interestingly America's president was involved in the Accords, and in 2001 America was attacked by Arab Muslim PLO men. The nation(s) that tries to bring peace in the middle east will be cut to pieces.

A quickly found short quote: "Further attempts through to the beginning of 2000 were made at continuing the Wye River accord, but kept breaking down due to Palestinian protests." They don't want peace, they want the annihilation of the Jews, read Psalm 83.

There is present and historical examples.

The prophecy of Daniel 9:27 concerns a prophetic week = 7 years. The covenant to be confirmed is the future agreement of peace between the Jews and the Muslim nations that surround it. In 3.5 years it will be broken by the anti-christ.. the lawless one who declares himself to be God.. at that time is realized the abomination that causes desolation.. the Jews vacate the city.. the "woman" flees to the wilderness.

 

[Douggg]

Of course there is no such as a Jubilee week, we look at the week as a 7 separate years.

But you wrote Jubilee week. Are you now retracting that statement?

The 70th week of years is made up 7 separate years, one following the other.

Daniel was just viewing each of those years as jubilee,

which you rest from the land for the entire year after returning to original owner. but lets look at this way. I can agree that there 51.42 sabbaths is in a normal 360 day year, now take 51.42 sabbaths for a year multiply it by 49 because its the 49th year is the jubilee, and you come out to 2520 yrs. 51.42x49=2519.58.

No he was not. Why would you even think that? For half that time of the 7 years, the Jews are going to be persecuted by the beast. What kind of rest or Jubilee is that?

There is no such thing as back to back Jubilee years, i. e a week of .... Jubilee year, Jubilee year, Jubilee year, Jubilee year, Jubilee year, Jubilee year, Jubilee year..... because Jubilee years are spaced 49 years apart.... not back to back years.

What it is more likely to be is the 7 years take place, and the first year following those 7 years, the first year of the millenium will be a Jubilee year (a 49th year). The Jubilee year is not mention in Daniel. The for 7 years, implies the shmita, but not any Jubilee.

Are you trying to establish that the 2520 days is 2520 years?

 

[BABerean2]

But you wrote Jubilee week. Are you now retracting that statement?

The 70th week of years is made up 7 separate years, one following the other.


No he was not. Why would you even think that? For half that time of the 7 years, the Jews are going to be persecuted by the beast. What kind of rest or Jubilee is that?

There is no such thing as back to back Jubilee years, i. e a week of .... Jubilee year, Jubilee year, Jubilee year, Jubilee year, Jubilee year, Jubilee year, Jubilee year..... because Jubilee years are spaced 49 years apart.... not back to back years.

What it is more likely to be is the 7 years take place, and the first year following those 7 years, the first year of the millenium will be a Jubilee year (a 49th year). The Jubilee year is not mention in Daniel. The for 7 years, implies the shmita, but not any Jubilee.

Are you trying to establish that the 2520 days is 2520 years?

Anyone interested in the Jubilee dates needs a copy of the book "The Atonement Clock" by Christian Gedge.
It will be well worth your money.
It is one of the most powerful little books I have ever read.

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