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The final 70th week is not the same in kind as the first 69. The final 70th week is a Jubilee, in which each day of a year counts as a sabbath. so you would have 7 years in which each year contains 360 sabbaths. Again look at Leviticus.
Your calculations are off. The Jubilee year is every 49 years (7 Shmita's). So 49x360 = 17640 days (without the leap years figured in).The final 70th week is not the same in kind as the first 69. The final 70th week is a Jubilee, in which each day of a year counts as a sabbath. so you would have 7 years in which each year contains 360 sabbaths. Again look at Leviticus. Daniel would have understood this. 7x360=2520. Also no where did I ever say 70ad was the time of the end, thats furthest from the truth.
The law was to commemorate Moses's instructions to go in and possess the promised land. So future generations would never forget that God gave them the land forever.Deuteronomy 31:
9 And Moses wrote this law, and delivered it unto the priests the sons of Levi, which bare the ark of the covenant of the Lord, and unto all the elders of Israel.
10 And Moses commanded them, saying, At the end of every seven years, in the solemnity of the year of release, in the feast of tabernacles,
11 When all Israel is come to appear before the Lord thy God in the place which he shall choose, thou shalt read this law before all Israel in their hearing.
12 Gather the people together, men and women, and children, and thy stranger that is within thy gates, that they may hear, and that they may learn, and fear the Lord your God, and observe to do all the words of this law:
13 And that their children, which have not known any thing, may hear, and learn to fear the Lord your God, as long as ye live in the land whither ye go over Jordan to possess it.
This is my first post on the forum. So hello to everyone! So here we go, Daniel 9v24-27:
24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.
25 Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times
26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.
27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.
Verse 24 - States 6 things to be fulfilled during the 70wks of Daniel, but i'm mostly concerning the first 3 especially 2 & 3.
1: To finish the transgression - Which I believe means God restrains the 70 yr punishment listed in Jeremiah, Indeed that's what the prayer Daniel makes prior to these verses is about.
2: To make an end of sins - This meaning to literally seal up the sins that got them in the condition of punishment to begin with. As we would say "That chapter is closed and now we start a new chapter" Doesn't mean they (Jews) would never sin again, but just that the sins that got them there would be sealed up.
3: Make reconciliation for Iniquity - I believe "reconciliation" means to Cut a Covenant or to ratify a covenant as listed in Jeremiah 31v31-34. not only was this a ratifying to bring them back to the land, but also to bring them back to relationship with God through Christ which we all have the promise of. Our sins and iniquities are sealed up and removed.
Daniel 9v27 states: (KJV is used above) - And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week.
I don't want to get into a debate about how long the One week is, but I want to focus on who the He is and what covenant are we talking about.
So my Question is, could the he referred to Christ? The reason why I ask is because of the following: 1 - The style its written seems to follow a pattern. V26 has 2 parts ex: 1A- And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: 1B - and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.
V27 has 2 parts ex: 2A - And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: 2B -and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.
2 - The word "confirm" in v27 - means to strengthen or to add strength/support to something. I doesn't seem to be the prince from 1B indeed I do not recall anywhere in scripture that a evil prince (Anti-christ, or anything of the sort, this not a discussion whether there is a anti-christ etc.) that strengthens any existing covenant.
3 - There is a definite article at least in the KJV before covenant which is "THE" - THE Covenant - which implies a specific covenant at hand, not "a covenant" which give a general meaning to it, but this is specific. Which if it is specific then - what covenant? This is where I believe Daniel 9v24 comes in to answer the question of the covenant. Its the same covenant that is not only granted to the Jews (Judah) but also us, which is to ratify or reconcile the covenant through Christ that our sins and iniquity will be seperated from us and sealed up so that we can come into right relationship with God the father!
So this was long winded to Just ask the question is the He that confirms the covenant Christ? Hope to read some replies. Thanks, and God Bless!
Your calculations are off. The Jubilee year is every 49 years (7 Shmita's). So 49x360 = 17640 days (without the leap years figured in).
The Jubilee year is currently not being observed according Chabad.org. When is the next Jubilee year? - Questions & Answers
The Jubilee year is once every 49 years, or at the end of 7 sabbatical years. A sabbatical year is the last year of a group of 7 regular years and we are currently in a sabbatical year. It is called a shmita and literally means "release". Shmita - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
When is the next Sabbatical year? - Shemittah
Here is the confirmation of the covenant "for 7 years", what it is.... Moses wrote a law....
The law was to commemorate Moses's instructions to go in and possess the promised land. So future generations would never forget that God gave them the land forever.
I have discussed this issue with the Jews themselves and they have not been doing the commemorative reading because they take the temple mount to be the place of God's choosing. Presently controlled by the muslims.
Even though the observance of confirming the Mt. Sinai covenant every 7 years has not been done for a long long time, the 7 year cycle the Shmita itself, which also governs allowing the land to rest every 7 years is still observed according to the Jews.... and this year is the rest year, the sabbatical year, I was just recently told.
Theoretically, this would be the year that the commemorative reading would be done - if the Jews controlled the temple mount and not the muslims, who won't even let the Jews pray on the temple mount.
But I would not get super excited that this fall, on the feast of Tabernacles, has to be the year for certain that the person who becomes the Antichrist oversees the reading and begins the 7 years - because the little horn in Daniel 7:25 is said to change the times and seasons .
If we see the following development, the possibility increases. The EU government has to become federalized to have ten leaders and then one leader over them, in similitude to our president - their version of the United States of Europe. Eventually it will come to that. Right now it is the goal of them pushing for such a Europe - called the European "project" over there. Here in the U.S. we are not aware, but over there it is common knowledge about the European "project".
Douggg,
You are really twisting the math, I said the final week is contains 360 sabbaths in a year, which there are 7 of them. 7x360=2520 years. you can divide that by 49 if you wan't. 2520yrs/49=51.428571, 51.428571 Jubilee in 2520 years. 51.428571x7=359.9999957 or 360.
The problem is the way you originally wrote it.... "The final 70th week is a Jubilee, in which each day of a year counts as a sabbath. so you would have 7 years in which each year contains 360 sabbaths. Again look at Leviticus. Daniel would have understood this."
No, each day of a year counts as a day - not a sabbath. In a year there are 360/7 = 51.42... sabbaths. The 7th year of the last week (of years) may be a Jubilee year. But not the whole week of years. There is not such a thing as a Jubilee week.
This is my first post on the forum. So hello to everyone! So here we go, Daniel 9v24-27:
24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.
25 Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times
26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.
27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.
Verse 24 - States 6 things to be fulfilled during the 70wks of Daniel, but i'm mostly concerning the first 3 especially 2 & 3.
1: To finish the transgression - Which I believe means God restrains the 70 yr punishment listed in Jeremiah, Indeed that's what the prayer Daniel makes prior to these verses is about.
2: To make an end of sins - This meaning to literally seal up the sins that got them in the condition of punishment to begin with. As we would say "That chapter is closed and now we start a new chapter" Doesn't mean they (Jews) would never sin again, but just that the sins that got them there would be sealed up.
3: Make reconciliation for Iniquity - I believe "reconciliation" means to Cut a Covenant or to ratify a covenant as listed in Jeremiah 31v31-34. not only was this a ratifying to bring them back to the land, but also to bring them back to relationship with God through Christ which we all have the promise of. Our sins and iniquities are sealed up and removed.
Daniel 9v27 states: (KJV is used above) - And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week.
I don't want to get into a debate about how long the One week is, but I want to focus on who the He is and what covenant are we talking about.
So my Question is, could the he referred to Christ? The reason why I ask is because of the following: 1 - The style its written seems to follow a pattern. V26 has 2 parts ex: 1A- And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: 1B - and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.
V27 has 2 parts ex: 2A - And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: 2B -and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.
2 - The word "confirm" in v27 - means to strengthen or to add strength/support to something. I doesn't seem to be the prince from 1B indeed I do not recall anywhere in scripture that a evil prince (Anti-christ, or anything of the sort, this not a discussion whether there is a anti-christ etc.) that strengthens any existing covenant.
3 - There is a definite article at least in the KJV before covenant which is "THE" - THE Covenant - which implies a specific covenant at hand, not "a covenant" which give a general meaning to it, but this is specific. Which if it is specific then - what covenant? This is where I believe Daniel 9v24 comes in to answer the question of the covenant. Its the same covenant that is not only granted to the Jews (Judah) but also us, which is to ratify or reconcile the covenant through Christ that our sins and iniquity will be seperated from us and sealed up so that we can come into right relationship with God the father!
So this was long winded to Just ask the question is the He that confirms the covenant Christ? Hope to read some replies. Thanks, and God Bless!
But you wrote Jubilee week. Are you now retracting that statement?Of course there is no such as a Jubilee week, we look at the week as a 7 separate years.
Daniel was just viewing each of those years as jubilee,
No he was not. Why would you even think that? For half that time of the 7 years, the Jews are going to be persecuted by the beast. What kind of rest or Jubilee is that?which you rest from the land for the entire year after returning to original owner. but lets look at this way. I can agree that there 51.42 sabbaths is in a normal 360 day year, now take 51.42 sabbaths for a year multiply it by 49 because its the 49th year is the jubilee, and you come out to 2520 yrs. 51.42x49=2519.58.
But you wrote Jubilee week. Are you now retracting that statement?
The 70th week of years is made up 7 separate years, one following the other.
No he was not. Why would you even think that? For half that time of the 7 years, the Jews are going to be persecuted by the beast. What kind of rest or Jubilee is that?
There is no such thing as back to back Jubilee years, i. e a week of .... Jubilee year, Jubilee year, Jubilee year, Jubilee year, Jubilee year, Jubilee year, Jubilee year..... because Jubilee years are spaced 49 years apart.... not back to back years.
What it is more likely to be is the 7 years take place, and the first year following those 7 years, the first year of the millenium will be a Jubilee year (a 49th year). The Jubilee year is not mention in Daniel. The for 7 years, implies the shmita, but not any Jubilee.
Are you trying to establish that the 2520 days is 2520 years?
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