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Daniel 12 and Olivet Discourse same event?

Dan 12 and Olivet Discourse same event?

  • Yes, I believe they are the same event

  • No, I do not believe they are the same event

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Gregory Thompson

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Ummm....they are prophecies, not stories :)

http://www.christianforums.com/t7356783-2/#post51276720
The One Reading.....

Mark 13:14 "Whenever yet ye may be seeing the Abomination/bdelugma <946> of the desolation/erhmwsewV <2050>, the declared thru Daniel the prophet, having-stood where not it is binding, (the one-reading let him be minding/understanding) then those in the Judea, let them be fleeing into the mountains"
[Daniel 11:31/Matthew 24:15]

Revelation 1:3 Happy the one reading, and the ones hearing, the Words of the prophecy, and keepings in it having been written, for the Time Is-Nigh/egguV <1451>.

well the details are different, and one of the pre-reqs Jesus said about kingdom life is being like children. so children would call them stories, so, so do i . :)

most interpretation is an exercise in make-believe anyway .
 
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well the details are different, and one of the pre-reqs Jesus said about kingdom life is being like children. so children would call them stories, so, so do i . :)

most interpretation is an exercise in make-believe anyway .
I am a little disappointed by the # of members who have voted so far :sorry:

Yes, I believe they are the same event Brad2009, gwynedd1, hiscosmicgoldfish, watchm@n, Zeena
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No, I do not believe they are the same event HarrisonS, sonnybook, SummaScriptura
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Try Dan 12 and Rev 20:
Rev 20:12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is [the book] of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.
Rev 20:13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
Rev 20:14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.




Dan 12:1 And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation [even] to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book.
Dan 12:2 And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame [and] everlasting contempt.
Dan 12:3 And they that be wise shall shine as the brightness of the firmament; and they that turn many to righteousness as the stars for ever and ever.
:pray:
 
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And so you shall have them.

Dan 12 and Olivet Discourse same event? This is a most excellent question, I voted Yes, I believe they are the same event. Matthew 24 and Daniel 12 are connected and both are 100% about Our Future Tribulation. Jesus, starting at verse 7 of Matthew 24, describes a fast pace synopses of Our Appointed Time of The End from day 1 all the way through to the 1335th day.

"for then there shall be great tribulation" in Matthew 24 is the same thing as Daniel 12's: "And there shall be a time of trouble, such as never has been since there was a nation till that time"

Matthew 24 was at the Mount of Olives during evening time just before sundown and about a 30 minute steep walk from the nearest Temple gate.

Luke 21 is not the same, it's not The Olivet Discourse.

Luke 21 was early in the morning in or around the Temple area.

Luke 21 started out the same way but for some reason Jesus stops at verse 12 "But before all this", and starts talking about His Disciples immediate future including synagogues, prisons, kings, governors and the destruction of Jerusalem.

Luke 21 AofD is the Daniel 9 and 11 one which is past, it was at the start of the DofJ.

Matthew 24 AofD is the Daniel 12 one which is future, it will be on the 1290th day, towards the end of Our Tribulation.

Matthew 24:7 is the taking away of the daily on day 1 of the 1290.




And he saw a poor widow put in two small copper coins.

And every day he was teaching in the temple, but at night he went out and lodged on the mount called Olivet.

And early in the morning all the people came to him in the temple to hear him.

but at night he went out and lodged on the mount called Olivet

in the morning all the people came to him in the temple to hear him

but at night he went out and lodged on the mount called Olivet

early in the morning in the temple

but at night on the mount called Olivet

in the morning in the temple

at night on the mount called Olivet

morning in the temple

night on the mount called Olivet


And he came out and went,
as was his custom,
to the Mount of Olives,
and the disciples followed him.
 
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Dave Watchman said in post 30:

Matthew 24 AofD is the Daniel 12 one which is future, it will be on the 1290th day, towards the end of Our Tribulation.

Daniel 12:11-12 and Revelation 16:15 could mean that 1,335 literal days after the abomination of desolation (possibly a standing, android image of the Antichrist) is set up in the holy place (the inner sanctum) of a 3rd Jewish temple in Jerusalem (Matthew 24:15, Daniel 11:31), Jesus' 2nd coming will occur, and blessed are those believers who wait and remain obedient until that day. If the literal 1,260 days of the Antichrist's worldwide reign (Revelation 13:5-8, Revelation 12:6) will begin when the abomination of desolation is set up, and if the 7 vials of God's wrath will begin on the day after the 1,260 days of the Antichrist's worldwide reign (Revelation 11:15,19, Revelation 15:5 to 16:1), and if the first 6 vials will be poured out over 30 days, then the 6th vial could be poured out on the 1,290th day after the abomination of desolation is set up (Daniel 12:11).

It is on this 1,290th day that the blessing of Daniel 12:12 and Revelation 16:15 could be given, after the 6th vial has been poured out (Revelation 16:12), encouraging those in the church who will still be alive on the earth at that time to keep holding on just 45 more days until Jesus' 2nd coming on the 1,335th day. The 45 days could be taken up by the gathering together of the world's armies to Armageddon (Revelation 16:14,16) (Har Megiddo: Mount Megiddo in northern Israel) and then their moving south to pillage Jerusalem, right before Jesus' 2nd coming and their total defeat (Zechariah 14:2-21, Revelation 19:19-21).
 
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And so you shall have them.

Dan 12 and Olivet Discourse same event? This is a most excellent question, I voted Yes, I believe they are the same event.
Matthew 24 and Daniel 12 are connected and both are 100% about Our Future Tribulation. Jesus, starting at verse 7 of Matthew 24, describes a fast pace synopses of Our Appointed Time of The End from day 1 all the way through to the 1335th day.

"for then there shall be great tribulation" in Matthew 24 is the same thing as Daniel 12's: "And there shall be a time of trouble, such as never has been since there was a nation till that time"

Matthew 24 was at the Mount of Olives during evening time just before sundown and about a 30 minute steep walk from the nearest Temple gate.

Luke 21 is not the same, it's not The Olivet Discourse.

Luke 21 was early in the morning in or around the Temple area.

Luke 21 started out the same way but for some reason Jesus stops at verse 12 "But before all this", and starts talking about His Disciples immediate future including synagogues, prisons, kings, governors and the destruction of Jerusalem.

Luke 21 AofD is the Daniel 9 and 11 one which is past, it was at the start of the DofJ.

Matthew 24 AofD is the Daniel 12 one which is future, it will be on the 1290th day, towards the end of Our Tribulation.
Good post and informative post. Thank........
 
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I hesitate to reply here as the last two threads i wrote a note on were either deleted or locked.
Good post and informative post. Thank........

Thanks. I bet you're just trying to be nice.

I'm actually surprised that i knew this in March 2015. I had only been into the study since 2013. I was a smart little dude back then. About three months after this i found the real empirical. It feels like 50 years ago. I wonder if you'll be able to bump up these posts two years from now. I hope so.
Matthew 24 AofD is the Daniel 12 one which is future, it will be on the 1290th day, towards the end of Our Tribulation.

The Matthew two four Abomination IS the 1290 day one from Daniel 12, but it can't be on the 1290th day. On the 1290th day we are in the air, it's at the end of these wonders, [EofW], on the "last day" when we are raised up. Some will shine like the stars of Heaven forever and ever.

"And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away,
and the abomination that maketh desolate set up,
there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days.​

All Daniel 12:11 is, is another answer, just an additional answer, a repetition and enlargement style of answer, that was offered up to the original question that was asked:

"How long shall it be to the end of these wonders?"​

Back in March 2015 I read it like this:

D/S<-------1290 Days------->AofD.

But after June 26, 2015, I now read it like this:

D/S
AofD<-------1290Days------->EofW.

The taking away of the continual, and the setting up of the Abomination happen on the same day 1 of the 1290 days. 1290 days latter we are presented with the "darkened" sun and a moon that will not give her light immediately after the tribulation of those days, which is the equivalent to Daniel's: "the end of these wonders". The three prophetic time periods appear to run concurrently and are framed in by a number which is part of the solar and lunar cycle.

<----1260---->
<-----1290-----> 0.976744186046512
<------1335------> 0.966292134831461
<-------1372-------> 0.973032069970845

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Matthew 24:7 is the taking away of the daily on day 1 of the 1290.

Sorry Dave, Matthew 24:7 was probably more like WW1 and WW2. The taking away of the "daily' would have been at Matthew 24:15 at the same time as the AofD.

Those four angels holding back the four winds must be getting sore hands by now.

Peaceful Sabbath.

PS, for an experiment, try quoting my note here and see if my image will appear in the reply box. But not in the finished preview. Could the composite beast have realized another successful attempt in sabotaging my plugin container? Or are my neurotransmitters burning out from extended or gratuitous use?​

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The abomination of desolation of Daniel 12:11 is
the same as Matthew 24:15, and Daniel 9:27, 11:31,36
(cf. 2 Thessalonians 2:4), which verses have not been
fulfilled. They will be fulfilled by the Antichrist,
the beast of Revelation 13:4-18, 19:19-20.


Daniel 12:1 happens after all of the tribulation
events during the career of the Antichrist outlined
in Daniel 11:21-45.

So Daniel 12:1 (like Jeremiah 30:7) refers not to the
entire tribulation, but only to the Antichrist's
final attack on the Jews in Jerusalem right before
Jesus returns to save them (Zechariah 14:2-5,
12:9-14, Romans 11:26-29) and make Jerusalem the
world-capital of his millennial kingdom (Zechariah
14:8-21, Micah 4:1-4).

Luke 21:23-24 refers to a prior attack on Jerusalem
which the Antichrist will perform when he commits
the abomination of desolation (Daniel 11:31,36, cf.
Matthew 24:15), which will begin his 42-month world
reign (Revelation 13:5b), during which 42 months
Jerusalem will be trodden down by the Gentiles
(Revelation 11:2b).

The Antichrist's first attack on the Jews in Jerusalem
will be even prior to that, when he first is given
some power (Daniel 11:21), defeats the Jews in
Jerusalem and a false Messiah who will be ruling them
(Daniel 11:22), and then cuts a seven-year treaty
with this false Messiah (Daniel 11:23a, 9:26a, 9:27a)
permitting the Jews to keep a rebuilt temple
(Revelation 11:1) and offer sacrifices before it.
But then only two or three years later the Antichrist
will break the treaty, attack the temple, stop the
sacrifices (Daniel 9:27, 11:31), and sit in the
temple and proclaim himself God (2 Thessalonians 2:4,
Daniel 11:36).
What prior attacks. Are you saying Luke 21 is different event than Matt 24 and Mar 13?
Luke 21:23-24 refers to a prior attack on Jerusalem
which the Antichrist will perform when he commits
the abomination of desolation (Daniel 11:31,36, cf.
Matthew 24:15),
 
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