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[The Lady Kate]

Dad, you seriously have the funniest avatar ever.

His arguments are quite amusing as well...

 

[rmwilliamsll]

That's all very well, but Metaphysics means “beyond physics” not “after physics”. Remember in the ancient Greek the term Meta could mean after, beyond or transcending. In this context it is used to mean “beyond” or “Transcending”.

Much as I appreciate your drive to invent a word and have it added to the lexicon, I feel I should caution you that the dive is skirting with the sin of hubris, Especially where you arbitrarily decide that it will be the new “official” term.

No, metaphysics is a perfectly adequate use of the term, and regardless of what one branch of philosophy may mean when they use it, its use in science is “beyond or transcending nature”. So there really is no need for you to invent a new official term, beyond personal glorification I suppose.

Ghost

he is not making up the definition for the term metaphysics it does mean "after physics" and referred to time and or place of the writings with reference to the work he had done on physics, it had nothing to do with transcendence. that is read into the word generations later.

The first major work in the history of philosophy to bear the title “Metaphysics” was the treatise by Aristotle that we have come to know by that name. But Aristotle himself did not use that title or even describe his field of study as ‘metaphysics’; the name was evidently coined by the first century C.E. editor who assembled the treatise we know as Aristotle's Metaphysics out of various smaller selections of Aristotle's works. The title ‘metaphysics’ — literally, ‘after the Physics’ — very likely indicated the place the topics discussed therein were intended to occupy in the philosophical curriculum. They were to be studied after the treatises dealing with nature (ta phusika). In this entry, we discuss the ideas that are developed in Aristotle's treatise.

http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/aristotle-metaphysics/

see:
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&biw=1150&q=aristotle+metaphysics+"after+physics"&btnG=Search
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&biw=1150&q=aristotle+metaphysics+"beyond+physics"&btnG=Search
and compare, and interesting word study. *grin*

 

[nvxplorer]

Dad,

I'm going to grant your assertion of the spiritual. Here's the problem. Since the spiritual can only be "detected" on an individual basis, there's no way you can show the spirirual is consistent for everyone. You can devise your own "laws" of spirit, but your laws may not apply to the spirits of others.

You and I can both observe the physical, but we cannot know each others spiritual experience.

 

[Osiris]

Of course there is. Not in the physical only box of course. But most people on earth have always known there is a supernatural as well. Those who have had the bible have had a veritable study of the spiritual for millenia!

And Spirysics studies big foot and aliens as well I hope, because most people on earth have always known that there is stuff like this.

Please, don't try to limit this wonderful eternal universe, and men's immortal souls, to only what comparitive scientific cavemen can come up with using the crude instruments of the brutish physical only!

Yes, and I bet spirits also have spirits inside them(called sbirits), so we shouldn't try to limit the spirit realm as well.

 

[dad]

Dad, you seriously have the funniest avatar ever.

Thank you.

 

[dad]

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And Spirysics studies big foot and aliens as well I hope, because most people on earth have always known that there is stuff like this.
[No, thats metaphysics I think, even some onlyphysics boys seem to get into it]


Yes, and I bet spirits also have spirits inside them(called sbirits), so we shouldn't try to limit the spirit realm as well.
[No, don't think so, people can have spirits in them however, sometimes many. Other times the spirits just inspire for good or evil, and poor onlyphysics types don't even know what's going down!]

....

 

[Osiris]

And Spirysics studies big foot and aliens as well I hope, because most people on earth have always known that there is stuff like this.
[No, thats metaphysics I think, even some onlyphysics boys seem to get into it]

Not only boys...

Yes, and I bet spirits also have spirits inside them(called sbirits), so we shouldn't try to limit the spirit realm as well.
[No, don't think so, people can have spirits in them however, sometimes many.

But if you think that way, you are only thinking inside the box... you are limiting what spirits really are... that they inside themselves have sbirits, that when spirits die, sbirits live on....

Other times the spirits just inspire for good or evil, and poor onlyphysics types don't even know what's going down!]

It's funny how when there is brain damage, spirits don't seem to do anything... ... or ... or... maybe spirits only work if brains work!

 

[Matthew777]

How so?

Stretching the limits by insisting that our understanding of the Bible must contradict physical reality.

 

[Matthew777]

So what exactly do we "know" (as opposed to accept as a matter of faith) from the Scriptures?

We know that Jesus Christ is the resurrected Son of God because historical fact attests to this. Therefore, by default, we know that the Bible is the Word of God because He claimed it to be so.

 

[Osiris]

We know that Jesus Christ is the resurrected Son of God because historical fact attests to this. Therefore, by default, we know that the Bible is the Word of God because He claimed it to be so.

I don't think the bible was around when Jesus was alive... So, I don't know how he could have claimed that the bible was the word of god, unless that is one of his prophecies that I haven't heard about.

 

[Matthew777]

I don't think the bible was around when Jesus was alive... So, I don't know how he could have claimed that the bible was the word of god, unless that is one of his prophecies that I haven't heard about.

"Sanctify them in your truth. Your word is truth."
(John 17:17)

"Heaven and Earth will pass away, but my words will not pass away."
(Matthew 24: 35)

 

[Electric Sceptic]

"Sanctify them in your truth. Your word is truth."
(John 17:17)

"Heaven and Earth will pass away, but my words will not pass away."
(Matthew 24: 35)

Which does not support either of your claims that (a) Jesus stated that the bible is the word of god, and (b) 'historical fact' attests that jesus is the resurrected son of god.

 

[Osiris]

"Sanctify them in your truth. Your word is truth."
(John 17:17)

"Heaven and Earth will pass away, but my words will not pass away."
(Matthew 24: 35)

Ah! Now, this is different.

Jesus claiming is one thing... People claiming what Jesus said is another...

we know that the Bible is the Word of God because He(Jesus) claimed it to be so.

Should be: we know that the Bible is the Word of God because some people claimed that Jesus said it to be so.

 

[Matthew777]

Should be: we know that the Bible is the Word of God because some people claimed that Jesus said it to be so.

Perhaps you should look into the historical accuracy of the Gospels with an open heart and mind.

 

[Electric Sceptic]

Ah! Now, this is different.

Jesus claiming is one thing... People claiming what Jesus said is another...

we know that the Bible is the Word of God because He(Jesus) claimed it to be so.

Should be: we know that the Bible is the Word of God because some people claimed that Jesus said it to be so.

Except that nobody claimed that Jesus said the bible was the word of god...they claimed that he said what HE said was true; they didn't claim he said anything at all about the bible, or, indeed, about anything other than what he said.

 

[Electric Sceptic]

Perhaps you should look into the historical accuracy of the Gospels with an open heart and mind.

The irony is strong with this one...

 

[Matthew777]

The irony is strong with this one...

What is ironic is that skeptics, the ones who claim to be the only true intellectuals, are often the most closedminded and ignorant; or at least when it comes to matters of ultimate meaning and truth.

 

[Osiris]

What is ironic is that skeptics, the ones who claim to be the only true intellectuals, are often the most closedminded and ignorant; or at least when it comes to matters of ultimate meaning and truth.

Matthew, how are you so sure that what you believe(God, Jesus, Bible, etc..) is an ultimate meaning and truth to reality?

I really see no historical accuracy in the bible, I wouldn't know how to tell, I would have to compare it to some historical account to see if the bible is historical accurate.

 

[Electric Sceptic]

What is ironic is that skeptics, the ones who claim to be the only true intellectuals, are often the most closedminded and ignorant; or at least when it comes to matters of ultimate meaning and truth.

Ah, and if ONLY you had something to support this silly accusation...

 

[Matthew777]

Matthew, how are you so sure that what you believe(God, Jesus, Bible, etc..) is an ultimate meaning and truth to reality?

Well, two main aspects of reality must be considered.

The uncaused first cause required by Big Bang cosmology:
Creation and Big Bang Cosmology
Dr. William Lane Craig
http://www.leaderu.com/offices/billcraig/docs/creation.html

The historical fact of the resurrection of Christ:
The Evidence For Jesus
Dr. William Lane Craig
http://www.leaderu.com/offices/billcraig/docs/rediscover2.html

Evidence for the Resurrection
by Josh McDowell
http://www.leaderu.com/everystudent/easter/articles/josh2.html