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BaBerean2 wrote:

The New Covenant is in Effect for All, Now...
Originally Posted by riverrat
Ebed:

The new covenant is for Israel and Judah as per Jer. 31:31-34. The body of Christ is not Israel and Judah. The new covenant clearly is not presently in effect for Israel and Judah. The members of the body of Christ receive forgiveness of sins by grace and not by a covenant as per Eph 1:7. The new covenant will become effective for Israel and Judah when Christ returns and sets up His earthly kingdom.
There is one Plan, not two.



Rom 2:11 For there is no respect of persons with God.
(God does not judge by one’s DNA.)



Rom 2:28 For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh:
Rom 2:29 But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.

Rom 9:6 Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:
(All of Jacob's descendants are not included in Israel of the Promise.)

Rom 9:8 That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.
(Being a descendant of Jacob does not make one a child of God.)



Heb 8:13 In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.
(The New Covenant has replaced the Old Covenant.)

Heb 10:8 Above when he said, Sacrifice and offering and burnt offerings and offering for sin thou wouldest not, neither hadst pleasure therein; which are offered by the law;
Heb 10:9 Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second.
(He took away the first covenant to establish the second.)


Heb 10:10 By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.
(There is no need for renewed animal sacrifices. Christ was the ultimate sacrifice. He was God‘s one and only son.)


Heb 11:16 But now they desire a better country, that is, an heavenly: wherefore God is not ashamed to be called their God: for he hath prepared for them a city.
(Jesus said, "My Kingdom is not of this world.")

Nothing that you have written in blue conflicts with my post.

"Nuthin, but nuthin, but right..." - Al Pacino as "Lefty" in "Donnie Brasco" :D
 
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Danoh,
I can't tell who posted what there, but if you think that the blue lines are nothing (if that's what your obscurity at the bottom means), you are completely unaware of the major doctrines of the NT.

Alright, book learner; a crutch if you will...

Riverrat related regarding BAB2's blue lines "Nothing that you have written in blue conflicts with my post."

I responded, regarding Riverrat's comment, with my agreement.

"Nuthin, but nuthin, but right..." - Al Pacino as "Lefty" in "Donnie Brasco"

Sheesh, brother, both his "summary treatment" and "summary treatment" of his, were clear as day, and short.

I told you this "summary treatment" request of yours has its pitfalls.

Wow, to think you have been "learning about" in that way for some forty plus years...

"There is a way that seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof are the ways of death," Proverbs 16: 25.
 
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Ebed:

The new covenant is for Israel and Judah as per Jer. 31:31-34. The body of Christ is not Israel and Judah. The new covenant clearly is not presently in effect for Israel and Judah. The members of the body of Christ receive forgiveness of sins by grace and not by a covenant as per Eph 1:7. The new covenant will become effective for Israel and Judah when Christ returns and sets up His earthly kingdom.
You're quite far from what the passage is saying riverat! Try Hebrews 8 understanding that Christ is the high priest as verse 1 is making that point. To even try and say this is is only for Israel and Judah is utter nonsense. Especially when Israel and Judah were no longer a divided kingdom when they returned from the captivity as Ezra and Nehemiah record. As Jesus walked the earth during His ministry he doesn't even recognize a divided kingdom...and here you are doing it...:confused:

Hebrews 8 is making that application. Furthermore Hebrews 8:7-13 totally shows that as the writer is quoting Jeremiah 31:31-34..

Now if this is just Israel and Judah, How does Peter preach in Acts 2, saying "men of Israel"..., but make no mention of Judah at all?

This is the maze your theology puts you through.
 
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Not sure where you're going with this. ...the Old Covenant is in full effect.

Theirs no disagreement with Jesus being the last and only sin/trespass offering-the only one NEEDED. As well as I also agree the old covenant is still in affect-not quite full i.e. needing any sin/trespass offering other than our Lord. As well as if it's truly needed that our women must not G around men or women who are not "bleeding".

In short do you feel "all" animal sacrifices and burnt offerings were the same? Not did our Lord meet and represent all of them, but were they all equal.

The differences I've seen and feel are those God enjoyed and those He disliked but required. Those enjoyable were sweet smelling and had a good savor, the sin/trespass were disliked- also not typically performed on the same altar. The good sacrifices were true acts of worship and commitment to God, thus enjoyably accepted by Him.

You are correct God became tired of all the animal sacrifices but the context of why was not only because of the shear number but no longer any honest motives of worship- seen in Isaiah and Matthew. They sacrificed for anything and continually with their lips and actions but not in their hearts.

So the query was can you show any verses where God will reject an honest form of worship of an animal sacrifice for thanksgiving or peace? Outside of the bias of the sheer number required if every person offered an animal right now.
 
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I would like to comment.

In Judaism, they believe that it is intrinsic to humans that everyone has eternal life. It is part of the human condition, and that death itself is an atonement. In their view, only the very wicked don't have a place in the world to come.

When there is not a temple in existence, their prayers are substitute for the animal sacrifices, like when the were in the Babylonian captivity according to their beliefs. So in Judaism nothing has changed.

To Judaism, the issue of "the" messiah is who is the great promised King of Israel, descended from David, who will lead them and the world into a time of peace and harmony.

This is also true in the Christian bible. "Christ" means the King of Israel".

Mark 15: 32 Let Christ the King of Israel descend now from the cross, that we may see and believe. And they that were crucified with him reviled him.

Now let me explain where Israel, the Jews went wrong....and the connection they have not made with Jesus. btw, this never comes up in arguments between Jews and Christians - if you want to try it sometime.

It was long before Jesus's time. In 1Samuel10, they wanted a king like the surrounding nations. To God, this was an big time offense because He was their King, and after everything He had done for them they were rejecting him as King. And God let them know.

It is repeated again in 1Samuel12 And when ye saw that Nahash the king of the children of Ammon came against you, ye said unto me, Nay; but a king shall reign over us: when the Lord your God was your king.


17 Is it not wheat harvest to day? I will call unto the Lord, and he shall send thunder and rain; that ye may perceive and see that your wickedness is great, which ye have done in the sight of the Lord, in asking you a king.

So it was a big time sin in wanting a man-king instead of God as the King of Israel back then....and it still is today. Which Judaism has never repented and still wants the messiah - King of Israel - to be a man, when God is the rightful King of Israel. But they not make the connection that God the rightful King entered this world as Jesus to take his place as the rightful King - saying to them that he was God as that is who is was come from heaven, but they crucified him for it - completely forgetting that God is the rightful King and not some man regardless if their own desires.

Now we get to the Torah observance held dear to Judaism and the gospel of Salvation which they reject. The Jews say that they make Teshuvah, to return to God and his laws. Well they didn't have those laws until Mt. Sinai and God spoke to them. Exodus 20:22 And the Lord said unto Moses, Thus thou shalt say unto the children of Israel, Ye have seen that I have talked with you from heaven.

God was not in heaven that time but came down from heaven, to tell them things from heaven. Which he gave them the Torah.

When the Lord entered this world as Jesus, coming down from heaven, he told them although that have the Law, the Torah, they would die in their sins and not have eternal life unless they believe in him, drinking his blood and eating his flesh.

So the Torah, the Law, God as the King of Israel had to reveal it to them by coming from heaven; so too, God came from heaven as the rightful King of Israel, to die for their sins and reveal the mystery of God in the redemption of our bodies and souls by means of the gospel -

.....but Jews don't make the connection between God being the rightful King of Israel revealing to them, and Jesus being God revealing to them. ... to reveal to them things from heaven they would otherwise never know.

And the Jews still want a man-king as King of Israel, unwary that it is the same wickedness that they made back in 1Samuel 10, and 1Samuel 12:12, 12:17. That's the problem.

absolutely correct and appreciated the importance of the details you included that show the whole picture.
 
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You're quite far from what the passage is saying riverat! Try Hebrews 8 understanding that Christ is the high priest as verse 1 is making that point. To even try and say this is is only for Israel and Judah is utter nonsense. Especially when Israel and Judah were no longer a divided kingdom when they returned from the captivity as Ezra and Nehemiah record. As Jesus walked the earth during His ministry he doesn't even recognize a divided kingdom...and here you are doing it...:confused:

Hebrews 8 is making that application. Furthermore Hebrews 8:7-13 totally shows that as the writer is quoting Jeremiah 31:31-34..

Now if this is just Israel and Judah, How does Peter preach in Acts 2, saying "men of Israel"..., but make no mention of Judah at all?

This is the maze your theology puts you through.
You are the one that is creating a maze. You can try and make an end run around Jer 31:31 but it says the new covenant is for the house of Israel and the house of Judah which is what I posted. Using just a little common sense should tell you that this means the entire nation. Just a casual reading should tell you then that the new covenant is not for the body of Christ!
 
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Alright, book learner; a crutch if you will...

Riverrat related regarding BAB2's blue lines "Nothing that you have written in blue conflicts with my post."

I responded, regarding Riverrat's comment, with my agreement.

"Nuthin, but nuthin, but right..." - Al Pacino as "Lefty" in "Donnie Brasco"

Sheesh, brother, both his "summary treatment" and "summary treatment" of his, were clear as day, and short.

I told you this "summary treatment" request of yours has its pitfalls.

Wow, to think you have been "learning about" in that way for some forty plus years...

"There is a way that seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof are the ways of death," Proverbs 16: 25.
The basis of most all of IP misunderstanding of scripture is based on the fact that he obviously has no basic reading skills.
 
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BaBerean2 wrote:

The New Covenant is in Effect for All, Now...
Originally Posted by riverrat
Ebed:

The new covenant is for Israel and Judah as per Jer. 31:31-34. The body of Christ is not Israel and Judah. The new covenant clearly is not presently in effect for Israel and Judah. The members of the body of Christ receive forgiveness of sins by grace and not by a covenant as per Eph 1:7. The new covenant will become effective for Israel and Judah when Christ returns and sets up His earthly kingdom.
There is one Plan, not two.


:confused:



Rom 2:11 For there is no respect of persons with God.
(God does not judge by one’s DNA.)



Rom 2:28 For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh:
Rom 2:29 But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.

Rom 9:6 Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:
(All of Jacob's descendants are not included in Israel of the Promise.)

Rom 9:8 That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.
(Being a descendant of Jacob does not make one a child of God.)



Heb 8:13 In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.
(The New Covenant has replaced the Old Covenant.)

Heb 10:8 Above when he said, Sacrifice and offering and burnt offerings and offering for sin thou wouldest not, neither hadst pleasure therein; which are offered by the law;
Heb 10:9 Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second.
(He took away the first covenant to establish the second.)


Heb 10:10 By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.
(There is no need for renewed animal sacrifices. Christ was the ultimate sacrifice. He was God‘s one and only son.)


Heb 11:16 But now they desire a better country, that is, an heavenly: wherefore God is not ashamed to be called their God: for he hath prepared for them a city.
(Jesus said, "My Kingdom is not of this world.")

Nothing that you have written in blue conflicts with my post.

"Ebed:

The new covenant is for Israel and Judah as per Jer. 31:31-34. The body of Christ is not Israel and Judah. The new covenant clearly is not presently in effect for Israel and Judah. The members of the body of Christ receive forgiveness of sins by grace and not by a covenant as per Eph 1:7. The new covenant will become effective for Israel and Judah when Christ returns and sets up His earthly kingdom."


Christ is the New Covenant, and then you claim Grace is not by a covenant.


You are either writing or reading in a way not related to the New Testament(Covenant) text.


And we have another guy that chimes in and claims you are correct.


 
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"Ebed:

The new covenant is for Israel and Judah as per Jer. 31:31-34. The body of Christ is not Israel and Judah. The new covenant clearly is not presently in effect for Israel and Judah. The members of the body of Christ receive forgiveness of sins by grace and not by a covenant as per Eph 1:7. The new covenant will become effective for Israel and Judah when Christ returns and sets up His earthly kingdom."


Christ is the New Covenant, and then you claim Grace is not by a covenant.


You are either writing or reading in a way not related to the New Testament(Covenant) text.


And we have another guy that chimes in and claims you are correct.


I am just reading scripture in the OT (Jer 31:31-34) and in the NT (Heb 8:8-12). The new covenant is for the nation of Israel. Christ is definitely involved in the new covenant because it takes his blood for sins to be forgiven. The members of the body of Christ also receive forgiveness of sins by Christ's shed blood but as per Eph 1:7 the body receives it by grace and not by a covenant.
 
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I am just reading scripture in the OT (Jer 31:31-34) and in the NT (Heb 8:8-12). The new covenant is for the nation of Israel. Christ is definitely involved in the new covenant because it takes his blood for sins to be forgiven. The members of the body of Christ also receive forgiveness of sins by Christ's shed blood but as per Eph 1:7 the body receives it by grace and not by a covenant.

God's Word is a beautiful woven tapestry with each verse being a thread in the tapestry.

You can rip one or two threads out to the whole and produce all kinds of false doctrine.

All true doctrine is revealed by the whole cloth, not a few loose threads.


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God's Word is a beautiful woven tapestry with each verse being a thread in the tapestry.

You can rip one or two threads out to the whole and produce all kinds of false doctrine.

All true doctrine is revealed by the whole cloth, not a few loose threads.


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Agreed. But that is not what I am doing. I have provided you with clearly stated scripture which you just choose not to believe.
 
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I am just reading scripture in the OT (Jer 31:31-34) and in the NT (Heb 8:8-12). The new covenant is for the nation of Israel. Christ is definitely involved in the new covenant because it takes his blood for sins to be forgiven. The members of the body of Christ also receive forgiveness of sins by Christ's shed blood but as per Eph 1:7 the body receives it by grace and not by a covenant.


The problem I see is that the book of Hebrews is addressed to Christians.
Yes. They are descendants of Jacob. However, they are still Christians.

To claim they are under the New Covenant and the gentile Christians are not is to deny Paul's explanation of the difference between Israel of the Flesh and Israel of the Promise in the book of Romans.



Rom 2:11 For there is no respect of persons with God.
(God does not judge by one’s DNA.)

Rom 2:28 For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh:
Rom 2:29 But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.

Rom 9:6 Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:
(All of Jacob's descendants are not included in Israel of the Promise.)

Rom 9:8 That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.
(Being a descendant of Jacob does not make one a child of God.)



There are some modern pastors today who are teaching that the Jews are still under the old covenant. This is not scriptural.
 
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BABerean2 wrote:

Originally Posted by riverrat
I am just reading scripture in the OT (Jer 31:31-34) and in the NT (Heb 8:8-12). The new covenant is for the nation of Israel. Christ is definitely involved in the new covenant because it takes his blood for sins to be forgiven. The members of the body of Christ also receive forgiveness of sins by Christ's shed blood but as per Eph 1:7 the body receives it by grace and not by a covenant.
The problem I see is that the book of Hebrews is addressed to Christians.
Yes. They are descendants of Jacob. However, they are still Christians.

To claim they are under the New Covenant and the gentile Christians are not is to deny Paul's explanation of the difference between Israel of the Flesh and Israel of the Promise in the book of Romans.
I am not claiming that Jewish believers are now under the new covenant. They, and Gentile believers, are members of the body of Christ and have no covenant.
 
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Grace and a covenant are in no conflict whatsoever.

The new covenant is new in the specific sense that all who believe are in. As I recall, a person in Judaism was not allowed to refer to the previous as "old." You could call it Moses' or simply "the" covenant, but not old. So it was daring to mention a new one. It was indeed new because no genetics or ancestry was required. That belief is a misconception of Judaism. Thus the friction.
 
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Grace and a covenant are in no conflict whatsoever.

The new covenant is new in the specific sense that all who believe are in. As I recall, a person in Judaism was not allowed to refer to the previous as "old." You could call it Moses' or simply "the" covenant, but not old. So it was daring to mention a new one. It was indeed new because no genetics or ancestry was required. That belief is a misconception of Judaism. Thus the friction.

Wow; making up your own "Bible" as you go.

The new covenant is new in the specific sense that it is new, as well as in the fact that , as concerning Israel, it would be based on an aspect of God's grace towards Israel not possible under the Law.

While the Gentiles; who were not under Covenant; were in fact, far off; strangers from the covenants of promise; without God; without Christ, and thus, without hope in the world, when the New Covenant was Promised unto Israel, have, this side of Israel's fall, and thus, this side Of Israel's New Covenant Promise, been made nigh, not by Covenant, but by the grace said Covenant unto Israel is also based in - the blood of Christ.

Theirs is Mark 14: 24's "And he said unto them, This is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many."

Theirs is as it is written in Isaiah their prophet - Isaiah 1:

1. The vision of Isaiah the son of Amoz, which he saw concerning Judah and Jerusalem in the days of Uzziah, Jotham, Ahaz, and Hezekiah, kings of Judah.

Isaiah 53:
4. Surely he hath borne our griefs, and carried our sorrows: yet we did esteem him stricken, smitten of God, and afflicted.
5. But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed.
6. All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the LORD hath laid on him the iniquity of us all.
7. He was oppressed, and he was afflicted, yet he opened not his mouth: he is brought as a lamb to the slaughter, and as a sheep before her shearers is dumb, so he openeth not his mouth.
8. He was taken from prison and from judgment: and who shall declare his generation? for he was cut off out of the land of the living: for the transgression of my people was he stricken.
9. And he made his grave with the wicked, and with the rich in his death; because he had done no violence, neither was any deceit in his mouth.
10. Yet it pleased the LORD to bruise him; he hath put him to grief: when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin, he shall see his seed, he shall prolong his days, and the pleasure of the LORD shall prosper in his hand.
11. He shall see of the travail of his soul, and shall be satisfied: by his knowledge shall my righteous servant justify many; for he shall bear their iniquities.

The Gentiles as to God's grace through that same blood is not by Covenant, rather, the ministering of its blood based grace is by grace.

The Gentile's is this side of Romans 11:11's "I say then, Have they stumbled that they should fall? God forbid: but rather through their fall salvation is come unto the Gentiles, for to provoke them to jealousy."

This side of that its Ephesians 2's:

8. For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
9. Not of works, lest any man should boast.
10. For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.
11. Wherefore remember, that ye being in time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands;
12. That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world:
13. But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ.

Put your books down a moment and catch that - not by Covenant but by the blood of Christ.

Covenant not needed as to this Gentile salvation - why?

14. For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us;
15. Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;
16. And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby:
17. And came and preached peace to you which were afar off, and to them that were nigh.
18. For through him we both have access by one Spirit unto the Father.

Put your books down again, and catch that "were nigh" at verse 17.

With Israel's fall, Israel is now viewed as "them that were nigh" - Lo Ammi, not my people - Uncircumcision, Romans 2:25 - the passage all you and yours ignore, that the rest of Romans 2 fit your notions.

With Israel's "were nigh" status now, the only hope for peace with God a Jew had - thus Paul's magnifying his Gentile office among the Jews, was the Lord's /Paul's "came and preached peace to you which were afar off, and to them that were nigh."

Its an amazing aspect of "this mystery" this - that Jews now had to come to God as Gentiles do - as... as - God forbid - as sinners of the Gentiles!!!

Don't believe me? Don't believe the passages [or better yet, can't see them as they are written]? Don't believe that it is not the New Covenant Promised unto Israel that Paul is administering in 2 Corinthians, rather its grace basis - the blood of Jesus Christ makes possible - the Spirit of the Lord!

Both share this grace based distinction! Two-fold once more!

Just ask those Jews within the various Mid-Acts Dispensational assemblies out there - experts to a man and woman they are as to what is actually going on in Romans 11:25, and overjoyed as Paul was as to its two-fold aspect.

28. As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the father’s sakes.
29. For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance.
30. For as ye in times past have not believed God, yet have now obtained mercy through their unbelief:
31. Even so have these also now not believed, that through your mercy they also may obtain mercy.
32. For God hath concluded them all in unbelief, that he might have mercy upon all.
33. O the depth of the riches both of the wisdom and knowledge of God! How unsearchable are his judgments, and his ways past finding out!
34. For who hath known the mind of the Lord? Or who hath been his counsellor?
35. Or who hath first given to him, and it shall be recompensed unto him again?
36. For of him, and through him, and to him, are all things: to whom be glory for ever. Amen.
 
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I made a bible of my own once. I took a RSV and edited it replacing all the uses of LORD with Jehovah and all the uses of Lord GOD with Jehovah God and a few other alterations too. It worked out quite well. I never bothered to print it ...
 
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Theirs no disagreement with Jesus being the last and only sin/trespass offering-the only one NEEDED. As well as I also agree the old covenant is still in affect-not quite full i.e. needing any sin/trespass offering other than our Lord. As well as if it's truly needed that our women must not G around men or women who are not "bleeding".

In short do you feel "all" animal sacrifices and burnt offerings were the same? Not did our Lord meet and represent all of them, but were they all equal.
Every sacrifice pointed to Christ. They were certainly not the same though. The offering required for sin as outlined in Leviticus makes that point. Furthermore, please poin out ANY PORTION of the Old Covenant that was not fulfilled.

Sacrifice for sin starts as God made the first sacrifice to cover Adam and Eve from the nakedness of their sin. After that first sacrifice for sin, sacrifice was always required.
The differences I've seen and feel are those God enjoyed and those He disliked but required. Those enjoyable were sweet smelling and had a good savor, the sin/trespass were disliked- also not typically performed on the same altar. The good sacrifices were true acts of worship and commitment to God, thus enjoyably accepted by Him.
Such as?
You are correct God became tired of all the animal sacrifices but the context of why was not only because of the shear number but no longer any honest motives of worship- seen in Isaiah and Matthew. They sacrificed for anything and continually with their lips and actions but not in their hearts.
I never said "God became tired". What I think you miss is God became tired of Israel's offerings while at the same time they were being idolatrous. That is what God was tired of! We are told Christ came "in the fulness of time", that time is in accordance with God's plan. Christ was promised in Genesis 3:15, so it was a matter of when God would do so.
So the query was can you show any verses where God will reject an honest form of worship of an animal sacrifice for thanksgiving or peace? Outside of the bias of the sheer number required if every person offered an animal right now.
Doesn't Hebrews 10:1-18 make that point?
 
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You are the one that is creating a maze. You can try and make an end run around Jer 31:31 but it says the new covenant is for the house of Israel and the house of Judah which is what I posted. Using just a little common sense should tell you that this means the entire nation. Just a casual reading should tell you then that the new covenant is not for the body of Christ!
Once more Hebrews 8. I realize the dispensational block you have...but perhaps READING IT...and NOT READING INTO will help you and Danoh.

Start first with the FACT that God made a covenant with Israel...it is the OLD Covenant, God made a NEW Covenant FOR ALL. This is why Hebrews says is making the point NOT ONLY in Hebrews 8, but repeats it in Hebrews 10...and you still don't see it.

That's your maze rirverat...when you don't see it for what it says...it becomes what you think...sending down the wrong path.

Find the way to the scripture NOT around it!
 
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Furthermore, please poin out ANY PORTION of the Old Covenant that was not.

their was never a dispute of this.

Doesn't Hebrews 10:1-18 make that point?

6 In burnt offerings and sacrifices for sin thou hast had no pleasure.

8 Above when he said, Sacrifice and offering and burnt offerings and offering for sin thou wouldest not, neither hadst pleasure therein; which are offered by the law;

that "neither hadst pleasure in" is the query I'm not challenging the thought of offerings HE never had pleasure in. I'm challenging the thought that certain offerings HE did pleasure in. Sacrifices were given before the law as well- again He enjoyed the sweet savor.
verse 1 make perfect- sin offering
verse 2 again sin
verse 3 sins
verse 4 sin again
verse 5 our Lords body as the true sacrifice
verse 6 sin
verse 8 mentioning of sin yet again.

any verses that mention thanksgiving and peace offerings?
 
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