Curious

[LittleNipper]

Dinosaurs fossils are found with mammal fossils and plant fossils that indicate an environment that mammals would live in today, but no modern mammal fossils are to be found.

Name a climate/environment in which only reptiles are found.
Nutria and other rodents, bats, birds, deer and big cats live in swamps alongside crocodiles and snakes;
mice, camel, jackrabbits, various birds and peccary live in desert alongside snakes and lizards.

Yes, David did live after Moses and after the Torah was written.

I tend to believe that deserts are direct result of the Flood, and that very arid areas were not a major part of the original Earth (if they existed at all) that Noah once knew... The world of Noah was likely at the most perfect state of equilibrium that ever existed since the Fall of man and so everyone had their place and everyplace had its complimentary assortment of kinds. We simply cannot appreciate this enough. This possibility seems beyond us-------and that is because this is not what we see today. The world is an entirely different place from the one that existed prior to the Flood. The Flood did not simply interrupt a world like ours, it destroyed the previous existance and established a very different place to inhabit.

 

[madarab]

LittleNipper, if what you say is true, then why are the desert species so amazingly well adapted to their environments. It's almost as if they... <shocked gasp> evolved to fit them. Many of them would fare poorly if you put them in cooler, lusher conditions.

 

[LittleNipper]

LittleNipper, if what you say is true, then why are the desert species so amazingly well adapted to their environments. It's almost as if they... <shocked gasp> evolved to fit them. Many of them would fare poorly if you put them in cooler, lusher conditions.

Well, my friend, GOD enabled animals to adapt. GOD did NOT over millions of years change a frog into a prince. Why do some people remain in Egypt when The Alps are so much nicer. The people simply made themselves to home and they have adapted. That does not make them any less human or the Swiss any more. They each have gotten comfortable with their surroundings... Actually, you take that desert species and move him some place else and there is the possibility he will like that place, too. Even an Indian elephant can live in a circus...

 

[madarab]

If I understand you correctly, you are claiming that God made an additional extra-Biblical act of creation? <tries not to giggle>

 

[Plan 9]

Well, my friend, GOD enabled animals to adapt. GOD did NOT over millions of years change a frog into a prince. Why do some people remain in Egypt when The Alps are so much nicer. The people simply made themselves to home and they have adapted. That does not make them any less human or the Swiss any more. They each have gotten comfortable with their surroundings... Actually, you take that desert species and move him some place else and there is the possibility he will like that place, too. Even an Indian elephant can live in a circus...

Forgive me, LittleNipper, but there are better examples than asian elephants (not to mention the Swiss). Asian elephants freak out quite easily when subjected to even minor changes in climate.
My Missouri city's zoo has a world reknowned asian elephant artficial insemination breeding program, so elephants from other zoos are sometimes sent here in hopes that that we can help them have a little calf later on.
PETA got on our case a few years ago when an elephant went absolutely berserk upon encountering our climate, and there were all kinds of hideous allegations of abuse, etc., etc.
Now, the lady was returned home pregnant, so she certainly did manage to at least marginally adapt (with a tremendous amount of assistance from humans), but I doubt if she ever liked it here.
Her exotic climate of origin? Seattle.

Perhaps you could try using camels as an example? I've encountered them in both Missouri and Israel, and to all outward appearances, they're equally ill-tempered in both places.

I feel certain I'm on solid ground, though, in suggesting that the Inuit (Eskimoes) are a far better example of cold weather adaptation than are the Swiss.

 

[LittleNipper]

If I understand you correctly, you are claiming that God made an additional extra-Biblical act of creation? <tries not to giggle>

It is call P R O C R E A T I O N <tries not of guffaw>

 

[Cornell]

Such thing as a world flood would be quite noticeable, we would found tons of fossils in the same layer all around the world.


Why you say that? What is your source?


Ow, that´s my age too! I didn´t know that reaching this age was a normal thing to happen!

They did find tons of fossils in the same layer in peru!!!!!

 

[madarab]

LittleNipper, so now the theory is that sex is all that it takes to adapt to desert conditions?

 

[LittleNipper]

LittleNipper, so now the theory is that sex is all that it takes to adapt to desert conditions?

Simple, some people like it warm, some like it hot and some like it cool or cold. The very same holds true with just about everything. There are no two organisms exactly alike... BUT, if you are born and raised under hot conditions the chances are you will prefer it that way. The same goes for animals in general...

 

[Cornell]

LittleNipper, if what you say is true, then why are the desert species so amazingly well adapted to their environments. It's almost as if they... <shocked gasp> evolved to fit them. Many of them would fare poorly if you put them in cooler, lusher conditions.

It's almost as if they <shocked gasp> were CREATED to fit that environment. Natural selection can't explain it. How many living things wouldn't survive if they hadn't had all their parts to begin with???? COUNTLESS!!!!!!

 

[Loudmouth]

Just after Cain killed Abel there is this passage (Gen 4:16-18)

"16 So Cain went out from the LORD's presence and lived in the land of Nod, [f] east of Eden.
17 Cain lay with his wife, and she became pregnant and gave birth to Enoch. Cain was then building a city, and he named it after his son Enoch. 18 To Enoch was born Irad, and Irad was the father of Mehujael, and Mehujael was the father of Methushael, and Methushael was the father of Lamech. "

First of all, we suddenly have a wife for Cain with no other mention of this wife before hand.

Second, we have a lineage (implying more wives for those descendents) and a move to the Land of Nod where Cain builds a city. This all seems to indicate that there were other people living at the same time as Adam and Eve. You would have to calculate these people in as well for a "biblical census", so to speak.

 

[Praxiteles]

ROFLCOPTER!
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[madarab]

Cornell, the issue that LittleNipper was bringing up was that he asserted that deserts did not exist before the Flood. If those animals were created to fit a desert environment, they either couldn't have survived beforehand or God did some extra-Biblical acts of creation to shoehorn them into these new environments.

 

[LittleNipper]

Cornell, the issue that LittleNipper was bringing up was that he asserted that deserts did not exist before the Flood. If those animals were created to fit a desert environment, they either couldn't have survived beforehand or God did some extra-Biblical acts of creation to shoehorn them into these new environments.

And what I'm telling you is that those animals survive the desert conditions because they have learned to hide from them. A desert snake would be just as likely learn to live in a secluded spot of some suburb as under a rock in the desert. They can cope because there is a lack of competition. I am not going to suggest that GOD did not provide instinct; however, this is not a sign that the snake's future children will one day be some sort of lizard men...

 

[madarab]

I don't know if you're aware of this, but more than animals live in the desert. Plants live there too, and they're certainly not burrowing or hiding under rocks or the like. They live right out in the open and most of them would die in wetter and cooler climates.

 

[LittleNipper]

I don't know if you're aware of this, but more than animals live in the desert. Plants live there too, and they're certainly not burrowing or hiding under rocks or the like. They live right out in the open and most of them would die in wetter and cooler climates.

That's so true, yet even the Sahara appears rather sandy. Do you know that my mother-in-law has a cactus garden outside her home in Medford, New Jersey. Funny, I always thought that an impossibility.

 

[Robert the Pilegrim]

Well, my friend, GOD enabled animals to adapt. GOD did NOT over millions of years change a frog into a prince.

Thank you for your opinion.

Why do some people remain in Egypt when The Alps are so much nicer. The people simply made themselves to home and they have adapted.

You've obviously never tried to survive in the Alps without modern tools.
The reason people ended up in the Alps is population pressure, the Nile valley is much nicer.

 

[Robert the Pilegrim]

That's so true, yet even the Sahara appears rather sandy. Do you know that my mother-in-law has a cactus garden outside her home in Medford, New Jersey. Funny, I always thought that an impossibility.

Walk through a forest preserve, no cacti.
Walk in a sandy dry environment and you will likely find cacti and similar creatures, the nature preserve at Illinois Beach State Park has cacti. It is a
sandy environment which is well drained (water doesn't stick around) with little shade (sun beats down making it hot).

If deserts and swamps and high altitude mountains did not exist before the flood or God forced evolution at a tremendous rate (and falsified huge amounts of other evidence, but that is true regardless if you take a fundamentalist view of the Noah flood).

 

[LittleNipper]

Thank you for your opinion.

You've obviously never tried to survive in the Alps without modern tools.
The reason people ended up in the Alps is population pressure, the Nile valley is much nicer.

Actually, the reason people ended up in America was population pressure. The reason people ended up in the Alps is that they like to ski...

 

[LittleNipper]

Walk through a forest preserve, no cacti.
Walk in a sandy dry environment and you will likely find cacti and similar creatures, the nature preserve at Illinois Beach State Park has cacti. It is a
sandy environment which is well drained (water doesn't stick around) with little shade (sun beats down making it hot).

If deserts and swamps and high altitude mountains did not exist before the flood or God forced evolution at a tremendous rate (and falsified huge amounts of other evidence, but that is true regardless if you take a fundamentalist view of the Noah flood).

There was no rain prior to the FLOOD. GOD watered everything using regulated morning mist. Scientists are falsely applying what they do not either know or understand and without GOD.