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Cultural appropriation

RDKirk

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How is what I said different than your original post?

I certain never said "Because culture appropriation is always considered bad" or even implied it. In fact, I explicitly said and provided specific examples to the contrary.
 
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I certain never said "Because culture appropriation is always considered bad" or even implied it. In fact, I explicitly said and provided specific examples to the contrary.
No you never said it; I did. In the real world, the term cultural appropriation is always spoken as something bad. Nobody uses that term to describe something good, or even neutral; it's always bad.
 
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The first time I ever really confronted cultural appropriation was 40 years ago. I had just purchased a beautiful Eskimo (Inuit) soapstone carving from a reputable gallery. Several days later in a tacky gift shop I found a cheap copy in plastic made in China. I am not Inuit but I remember feeling enraged. I still am.
 
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The first time I ever really confronted cultural appropriation was 40 years ago. I had just purchased a beautiful Eskimo (Inuit) soapstone carving from a reputable gallery. Several days later in a tacky gift shop I found a cheap copy in plastic made in China. I am not Inuit but I remember feeling enraged. I still am.

Yep, as I mentioned earlier, that kind of situation was my first understanding of "cultural appropriation," and I still maintain it's the primary valid meaning of the term.
 
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No you never said it; I did. In the real world, the term cultural appropriation is always spoken as something bad. Nobody uses that term to describe something good, or even neutral; it's always bad.

In the "real world," any bovine creature might be called a "cow," but folk raised on dairy and cattle ranches know there is a more precise and meaningful definition.

Do you think just because ignorant people don't know the difference between a cow and a bull that knowledgeable people should also give up the distinction, or should stop trying to educate others?
 
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In the "real world," any bovine creature might be called a "cow," but folk raised on dairy and cattle ranches know there is a more precise and meaningful definition.

Do you think just because ignorant people don't know the difference between a cow and a bull that knowledgeable people should also give up the distinction, or should stop trying to educate others?
Have you ever seen the term used to describe something good?
 
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The first time I ever really confronted cultural appropriation was 40 years ago. I had just purchased a beautiful Eskimo (Inuit) soapstone carving from a reputable gallery. Several days later in a tacky gift shop I found a cheap copy in plastic made in China. I am not Inuit but I remember feeling enraged. I still am.

What is the extent of “cultural appropriation”? If an american of no relationship to China uses chop sticks to eat with; is that cultural appropriation? How about if a person from Africa wears western style clothing? If an American with no ties to Mexico opens a Mexican restaurant, and serves food that appeals to the American taste rather than authentic Mexican food, is this cultural appropriation? How about if a Chinese person eats with a knife and fork? If an artist create something beautiful does his culture own that art? Or can people outside his culture enjoy it in their own way? How about if an inventor invents something useful (like the automobile, or firearms) because of his culture; does his culture own it or can other cultures enjoy this invention in their own way? Where is the line drawn?
 
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The first time I ever really confronted cultural appropriation was 40 years ago. I had just purchased a beautiful Eskimo (Inuit) soapstone carving from a reputable gallery. Several days later in a tacky gift shop I found a cheap copy in plastic made in China. I am not Inuit but I remember feeling enraged. I still am.
Why were you enraged? And 40 years is a long time. Why are you still enraged?
 
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The first time I ever really confronted cultural appropriation was 40 years ago. I had just purchased a beautiful Eskimo (Inuit) soapstone carving from a reputable gallery. Several days later in a tacky gift shop I found a cheap copy in plastic made in China. I am not Inuit but I remember feeling enraged. I still am.
Just got back from Israel. I had never seen anything like the street markets. There both Israeli and Arab merchants sold a lot of Israeli/Jewish articles; and many/most were made in China.
 
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Yep, as I mentioned earlier, that kind of situation was my first understanding of "cultural appropriation," and I still maintain it's the primary valid meaning of the term.
Since Jack won't answer me, and you won't answer my other question, may I ask what you mean by "that kind of situation"? Are you referring to Chinese making money using plastic, which they didn't invent? You can't be referring to Eskimo soapstone carving. That didn't start until the 1950's (a.d.), and only because of the strong encouragement of the Canadian government. (Canada basically telling them to "get a job, support yourselves, sell stuff to people".)
 
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Since Jack won't answer me, and you won't answer my other question, may I ask what you mean by "that kind of situation"? Are you referring to Chinese making money using plastic, which they didn't invent? You can't be referring to Eskimo soapstone carving. That didn't start until the 1950's (a.d.), and only because of the strong encouragement of the Canadian government. (Canada basically telling them to "get a job, support yourselves, sell stuff to people".)

I was referring to the situation I described in my original post in this thread.
 
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