Cult

[Pal Handy]

I really appreciate this prayer! Amen! Even if I wasnt under accusation of being a cult leader I would LOVE to have this answered! Please Lord destroy ALL the works of the devil in my life! Btw, the "gullible young girl" has been through so much, she is way more mature than she should be for her age. Also, Arj doesnt like her cause she thinks that I am brainwashing her, but the reality is that my friend is Russian Orthodox and Aj thinks its an evil cause its not technically christian. My friend follows the rules I tell her about that are from the bible because when I show her the verses about something like headcoverings, she already does it because the church she grew up in does it.

As we have given it up, will you also? (I hope Arj will also)

Can you pray for us and can you stop posting
things that bring strife and division and instead
exalt Christ and what He is doing?

Perhaps we can all start over and learn to be more like Christ by denying
ourselves and taking on to ourselves Christ and His life, words, actions,
love, deeds, service, humility and kingdom building works...

 

[arj1981]

Dear...
Give it up...
You said enough and so lets both leave him in God's hands.
We will pray for him and ask God to bring the mind of Christ into his life.

You have to know when to walk away from the arguements and rely on
prayer and God's ability to bring about His will into a persons life.

We cannot change anyone and enough truth has been spoken and
seeds planted that God can till the soil and bring about His purposes into this person's life.

If we continue on we will end up saying the wrong things and giving
the devil a foot hold to condemn us.

Please... let it go as will I and let God handle this.

Lets end on the highest note of all, a prayer.

Father, I ask that you would begin a new work in this person
we have engaged in discussion this day.
Father I ask that you would destroy the works of the devil
in this man's life and that you would tear down anything
that has been built in his life that is not from you.
Father I ask that he would be brought into Your perfect light
and truth and that any works of the flesh or works of the enemy would be
utterly and completely rooted out and discarded.
Father we ask that he be given the mind of Christ to replace anything
that has been affecting his thoughts and and motives.

In Jesus name I pray...

Thank you for this prayer, PH. Yes, I will walk away from this argument. Angel knows how I truly feel about her and no lie is going to convince her of anything different. I will continue to pray. Thanks for the prayers and wisdom you and others have imparted in this thread. That's what being a Christian is all about. It has helped me a great deal.

 

[Flishvick07]

As we have given it up, will you also? (I hope Arj will also)

Can you pray for us and can you stop posting
things that bring strife and division and instead
exalt Christ and what He is doing?

Perhaps we can all start over and learn to be more like Christ by denying
ourselves and taking on to ourselves Christ and His life, words, actions,
love, deeds, service, humility and kingdom building works...

I did give it up for a while, til my friend had said she was tired of arguing with Arj. Im fine with her attacking me, but she needs to leave my 17 year of friend alone. You cant go telling a 17 year old that they are babies who have been tricked into turning from Christ by their best friend and their religion. Angel has told her to leave her alone, and Arj said she was backing out of this whole thing, then she tries to convince Angel that Im satan. This is coming from a 29 year old mother... I think Arj is mad cause we think she is a false prophet.. Seeing as she said she forsaw that IIIIIII would bring about the apocolypse! really!?

I guess ive learned my lesson about taking ANY credit for what God has done THROUGH me.. Ive said a lot of bad things that confused my friends, but we are all fine and Im giving up all this Holy Spirit stuff and just going to enjoy God's presence in my life.

 

[arj1981]

I did give it up for a while, til my friend had said she was tired of arguing with Arj. Im fine with her attacking me, but she needs to leave my 17 year of friend alone. You cant go telling a 17 year old that they are babies who have been tricked into turning from Christ by their best friend and their religion. Angel has told her to leave her alone, and Arj said she was backing out of this whole thing, then she tries to convince Angel that Im satan. This is coming from a 29 year old mother... I think Arj is mad cause we think she is a false prophet.. Seeing as she said she forsaw that IIIIIII would bring about the apocolypse! really!?

I guess ive learned my lesson about taking ANY credit for what God has done THROUGH me.. Ive said a lot of bad things that confused my friends, but we are all fine and Im giving up all this Holy Spirit stuff and just going to enjoy God's presence in my life.

SMH. None of this stuff is true. I will continue to pray for this individual and his followers.

Heavenly Father, I know my brother Flish is a good man and desires a true relationship in my Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. I pray he forgoes the lies, bitterness and strife and returns to the things of GOD a humble and repented man. May God continue to do a great work in him, Angel and Last and build them up for the Kingdom of Heaven. Amen.

Pal, I really like doing this. I think I'm gonna keep it up in other threads as well. Thanks.

 

[arj1981]

Arj, I will not let this go unchecked. You believe yourself to be an elite prophet. You've had a lot of trouble with people condemning you and calling you out and saying you are false. Now you dont have any info about yourself? And suddenly this Elijah Prophet shows up and you want to take his friends and be a leader to them? I really doubt he IS Elijah, but he did totally reveal your true nature. This "cult" exposed you. Thats why you say its a cult and he's a cult leader. Cause now you arent the clairvoyant prophet you claimed to be. Remember when you were calling everyone forsaken? Looks like you might have had an elijah in that company ROFL!

Baby, your post didn't even make any sense to me. I still think ur lost about everything that's taking place here. I'll PM u bc this is a completely separate issue from this thread.

 

[arj1981]

You have problems. I addressed all of your accusations in PM.

 

[arj1981]

Hey, the past is the past. I get it. But come on! This is hilarious! You didn't think it would happen. You spend so much time telling us our salvation was in jeopardy, then this happens! Wow! Our Lord is Just!

You are on another planet. I don't know what u are talking about. I addressed all of your off the wall accusations in PM bc it is completely unrelated to this thread.

Arj, I will not let this go unchecked. You believe yourself to be an elite prophet. You've had a lot of trouble with people condemning you and calling you out and saying you are false. Now you dont have any info about yourself? And suddenly this Elijah Prophet shows up and you want to take his friends and be a leader to them? I really doubt he IS Elijah, but he did totally reveal your true nature. This "cult" exposed you. Thats why you say its a cult and he's a cult leader. Cause now you arent the clairvoyant prophet you claimed to be. Remember when you were calling everyone forsaken? Looks like you might have had an elijah in that company ROFL!

Is this Makeupgirl? She wrote really confusing posts like this. My blog's still up. I actually have it under my username in every post. That's why I don't know what u mean by I don't have any info about myself up. It is all still there. Suddenly this Elijah Prophet shows up... No. Nothing is sudden about Flish calling himself prophet elijah. One of the emails I posted was from over a month ago. I just posted this thread bc it's been a couple of months of going back and forth with this issue and nothing I've said worked bc he truly believes he's suppose to reign over me. I don't know what this cult exposed about me that people don't already know. Cause now you arent the clairvoyant prophet you claimed to be Hun? Remember when you were calling everyone forsaken? I wasn't calling people forsaken. I was saying they had forsaken dreams. Meaning, their dreams were showing they were headed in the wrong direction. Like, joining a cult is headed in the wrong direction. An action like this can jeopardize your salvation. I was interpreting dreams. People didn't like hearing the truth so I stopped doing so much dream interpretation. That's it. Oh...k. Don't know what the point is. Your point is completely lost on me honestly. I think you are highly confused about what's taken place in this thread.

 

[Last]

so bent on the possibility that he is wrong. If I may ask, what if he is right?

What if instead you were wrong?

 

[arj1981]

so bent on the possibility that he is wrong. If I may ask, what if he is right?

What if instead you were wrong?

Heavenly Father, I know my brother Last is a good man and desires a true relationship in my Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. I pray he returns to the things of GOD a humble and repented man. May God continue to do a great work in him, Angel and Flish and build them up for the Kingdom of Heaven. Amen.

 

[Last]

We all have a personal relationship with Jesus Christ and God. Each unique and powerful, and different from the other. If what this is is a "cult", then the any church recognizing the pope as a leader of the faith isn't much of a difference. Catholic belief says the pope is chosen by God, therefore the man elected believes he is God's chosen to lead the rest of the church. Sound familiar?

The "followers" you mention are actually seen as advisors and councilors, meant to challenge him against our own knowledge and understanding of scripture. According to the very scripture, it takes two persons to condemn a man of evil, therefore he has found two advisors. From what I know, understand, and believe to be true, he has followed scripture soundly, much more so than any other I have ever met.

Is it so wrong to deviate from the mainstream because he takes a much more proactive role? Seems to me that Jesus Christ walked a very similar path, and despite much grief and even death, he he rose above and became a savior of mankind. To deny the similarities here would be denial. I call him no leader, not a equal to God or Christ, nor recognize any titles he gives himself. He does what he believes is right and does it according to his bible and under close watch of his council.

 

[arj1981]

Last, you know what my last email said. I'm not walking back into this situation ever again. All you said was the guise he used to "get me back" this last time. Then I came to find out he wants to call himself prophet elijah and thinks he has authority over the three of us. Then you ask me, what if I'm wrong and he's right? As his councilman, how r u challenging his beliefs when you are busy challenging mine? I want no part in anymore of these discussions. I've told everyone that. You should take this up with your partner. She has decided to stand by him. I will continue to pray for you all from afar. My heart, thoughts and prayers are with you.

 

[arj1981]

POW it might help you to know I've blocked you a llllllloooooooonnnnnnngggggggg time ago after your last crazy PM in which you were saying I needed to watch my back. So I'm not actually reading your posts even though I can see you've posted in this thread. Hope that helps.

 

[Last]

I question everything that someone has to say. I challenge him and you both, because authority or not I see everyone on the same page. Every argument needs facts and a logical conclusion. Flish and Angel have their own unique opinions and interpretations. I am an opberserver, and when Flish makes a claim he gives me his scripture and and a reference for me to read myself. I ask for guidance from God, read the scripture and await an answer.

As far as I am concerned no one is right until I have seen full evidence from all parties.
I remain a full neutral party, bearing no allegence, Oath, or promise of service to anyone except the country I serve, because as a soldier of the armed forces this is a requirement. Flish's actions can only be justified by his council, and I follow my own instincts, judgements, and interpretations. My bible is my guide.

This all seems so odd really. All parties involved claim to be of God, though two very different approaches are present, and it seems that one is rigid and unwilling to give to the other, and the other is seeking answers for justification, and the first party is unable to give them.

Hypothetically, what if he is right? this is why I insist people detach , stand back and watch. Is the possibility so lost? Is the mind so grid locked that it isnt even a possibility to consider it. I dont ask that anyone accept it, just consider it.

The Bible says that no man should be publicly battered or assaulted. Your opinion is your own. A false prophet who claims the end of world times get the attention he so craves when open rebuked, and cult leader get desired attention, more followers as a result of such battery. Make up your mind and move on. You allow this to plague you yourself. Yourselves are the ones to blame for the grief suffer here. Both parties are equally flawed. To claim to follow the word and yet show a certain disregard in order to feed ones own pride seems like blasphemy almost, does it not.

Think on this. This is my wisdom for all. Judge for yourself. All have access to God and Jesus Christ. Flish's objective in all of this is to help the lost find their way to him, and realize this. Ask for guidance, trust in your instincts as a person of faith, and and if asked then tell, and make no more of it.

 

[arj1981]

I will continue to pray for you all from afar. My heart, thoughts and prayers are with you.

 

[Last]

and this is the resolution i think many have been waiting for. a stand down across all fronts.

 

[arj1981]

I thought I attempted that about 20 posts ago...but as long as we are all on the same page now, that's all that matters. Happy Trails.

 

[Flishvick07]

Just one nit picky thing: I desire a relationship with MY Lord and Savior the Christ Jesus.

He's my personal Savior, I dont really want yours. Jesus Christ is your Savior, but dont pray for it that way as if He is not my Savior as well. Its simply a respect thing.

 

[SoldierOfSoul]

I tried to read this thread and gave up half way through, this has to be the strangest thread I have ever seen. Fish and Arj, you both constantly exalt yourselves, why? If you are truly in the fold of Christ what is with the "I' in everything you both say? Let me tell you, that neither one of you are prophets and you need to stop all of this self-righteous insanity. Christ came to remove our self life, but that is all you both talk about. God is not "in" any of this, so stop.

 

[arj1981]

I know. A LOT of people hold the misconception that these titles don't exist and prophets are completely obsolete. PERIOD. That's why I never debate this issue. It's an actual calling (discussed that in this thread) and anointing in the body of Christ; however, I have nothing to prove and don't care if you believe me or not. I certainly don't try to force this opinion on others like someone else I know. But in RL I know countless legitimate prophets of GOD who don't go around predicting the end times, referring to themselves as the manchild from revelation, or want to be addressed as John the Baptist. They do exist and it is on par with scripture.

Ephesians 4:10He who descended is the very one who ascended higher than all the heavens, in order to fill the whole universe.) 11It was he [aka Christ] who gave some to be apostles, some to be prophets, some to be evangelists, and some to be pastors and teachers, 12to prepare God’s people for works of service, so that the body of Christ may be built up 13until we all reach unity in the faith and in the knowledge of the Son of God and become mature, attaining to the whole measure of the fullness of Christ. 14Then we will no longer be infants, tossed back and forth by the waves, and blown here and there by every wind of teaching and by the cunning and craftiness of men in their deceitful scheming. 15Instead, speaking the truth in love, we will in all things grow up into him who is the Head, that is, Christ. 16From him the whole body, joined and held together by every supporting ligament, grows and builds itself up in love, as each part does its work.

So these "labels" are very much on par with Christ's ministry and message...man isn't here to appease you. We serve GOD and Christ and them two only. Like in the case with Peter, you deny Christ, you deny the calling placed on your life. I'd never recommend either.

Mark 14: “You also were with that Nazarene, Jesus,” she said. 68 But he denied it. “I don’t know or understand what you’re talking about,” he said, and went out into the entryway.[a] 69 When the servant girl saw him there, she said again to those standing around, “This fellow is one of them.” 70 Again he denied it. After a little while, those standing near said to Peter, “Surely you are one of them, for you are a Galilean.” 71 He began to call down curses, and he swore to them, “I don’t know this man you’re talking about.”

I know countless, legitimate Christian prophets of GOD and pastors <<< another calling with a "label/title," however, you just said none of us are suppose to have labels. Sure. Oh...k. That sounds accurate.

 

[arj1981]

I know countless, legitimate Christian prophets of GOD and pastors

I want people to know this is the reason for my grand entrance when I first arrived on the scene. LOL. I thought everybody knew about as many Christian prophets as I did bc it was so commonplace for me. So I thought it was no big deal. Nonchalant. I mean, one time a prophet walked up to me and told me you have men guarding you from Jesus. Really? I did an accounting of my life and I knew about 7-8 legitimate, wise prophets of GOD at that time. I would think that also relates back to [FONT=&quot]Ephesians 4:10-13. I had a dream last night that this guy showered me with tons of affection. He said I just want to hug you and hold you. And he did for my entire dream and wouldn't let me go. Obviously, I am doing something right. I think I was being rewarded by Christ for doing a good thing here, standing in the gap.
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