Catholic Wife
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I don't always agree with Elijah2, but I definitely agree with this.
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Elijah2 said:
Are you serious? This is disgusting!Elijah2 said:
Is there any other of God's creation you would like to "crush, smash and throw out" while you're at it?
I'm sorry but I find this offensive in the extreme. How could you say this about God's flawless creation?
What scripture could you use to back this up?
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gwithoutr
Enlightenment - it's not a dirty word...
The only question that I have is why are so many "christians" so angry and closed minded when it comes to God's precious creation?
This precious earth is made up of a very high percentage of crystals and quartz (one of the most powerful crystals of all), why do you hate them so much? Why would you say a source of positive power and light is 'demonic'?
This is truly taking your faith tooo far!
I will pray for you all. God bless you...
This precious earth is made up of a very high percentage of crystals and quartz (one of the most powerful crystals of all), why do you hate them so much? Why would you say a source of positive power and light is 'demonic'?
This is truly taking your faith tooo far!
I will pray for you all. God bless you...
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Catholic Wife
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Thank you for the prayers - we all need them!
I don't think that telling someone that what they are doing is a New Age or occult practice, which goes against the First Commandment. I, for one, don't hate God's creation, but if something is leading a person to sin, it would be better to destroy it than to continue to be led astray (Matthew 5:29-30). And I see plenty of danger in attributing "power and light" to an inanimate object instead of recognizing God's healing power. Aside from being involved with something New Age or occult, Satan disguises himself as something beautiful - such as an angel of light (2 Corinthians 11:14).
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Still will respond.. So tired.. lol intresting responses though. Opinion is still undecided, but thanks for most of the positive feed back. If what I am doing is truly wrong, please pray for God's guidance and dont condemn me, leave that to God! I'm trying to reamain sensitive to His words as I just study and clairfy in my mind what I may come to... I'll feed back soon tho... busy busy!
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gwithoutr
Enlightenment - it's not a dirty word...
To all who seek God - I ask that you read the description of heaven in Revelations-is it not depicted as having crystals and precious metals and stones?
Have a look - it is representative of Godly things, not evil...do not be mislead.
May God bless you all - love to all.
Have a look - it is representative of Godly things, not evil...do not be mislead.
May God bless you all - love to all.
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Elijah2
No weapons formed against me will prosper.
Well, whether you feel offended or not, when I destroyed my crystals I was set free from captivity. And that's the essence of our Lord Jesus Christ's ministry.
Crystal healing should be examined with caution. Any form of healing that contradicts Gods Word is not from Him. Overall, it's important to remember that the evil one comes as an angel of light (2 Corinthians 11:14). However, his real motivation is to kill, steal, and destroy (John 10:10).
Occultic Potential: Psychic development; spiritism.
Major Problem(s): Crystals per se have no magical powers and easily become an implement behind which spirits can work.
Biblical/Christian Evaluation: Forbidden on the basis of occultic usage.
Potential Dangers: Misdiagnosis, occultic influences.
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gwithoutr
Enlightenment - it's not a dirty word...
I always think its best to consult God himself about his own creation and the natural power in it. Look at the power of the weather, the moon has on the tides, the majesty of a tall oak, etc...why would the power of a Crystal or a gemstone be any less awesome than the one who created it from himself?
I love God and all of his provisions - I would never want accuse him or his perfect creation of being 'demonic' - I do however accept that Rome says it is.
I love God and all of his provisions - I would never want accuse him or his perfect creation of being 'demonic' - I do however accept that Rome says it is.
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CyberPaladin
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VindicatedPoet it is reason to use healing crystals it's nothing more than the occult repackaged.
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There are certainly valuable properties to any substance on earth, but how much benfit could you possibly get from a stone that fits in a pocket? There is proven magnetic force from the weight of mountains, so I would think sleeping on a mountain would accomplish more.
We already use minerals for internal benefits -- lithium for a calm and stable mind, calcium to strengthen bones (and more), potassium for heart health and hydration, zinc for the immune system... and on.
Research is showing that the skin absorbs certain materials that we used to think were limited to ingestion.
Every substance has a certain amount of electromagnetic force, some amount of radiation, some escape of electrons (rocks in such a solid state that it's ultra-slow).
David Bohm, quantum physicist, spoke of light being contained as in holograms, and possibly solidified as matter (with turbulent electric fields). He also studied wave patterns within the brain, relating them similarly to holograms.
"Imagine an infinite sea of energy filling empty space, with waves moving around in there, occasionally coming together and producing an intense pulse.
Let's say one particular pulse comes together and expands, creating our universe of space-time and matter. But there could well be other such pulses. To us, that pulse looks like a big bang; In a greater context, it's a little ripple. Everything emerges by unfoldment from the holomovement, then enfolds back into the implicate order.
I call the enfolding process "implicating," and the unfolding "explicating." The implicate and explicate together are a flowing, undivided wholeness. Every part of the universe is related to every other part but in different degrees."
http://www.fdavidpeat.com/interviews/bohm.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Bohm
Einstein’s Theory of Relativity showed mass–energy equivalence, comparing matter mass and energy as two different states of the same thing. E = mc²
These physicists explored the concept of extreme potential power and even movement within a static object, and toyed with the concept of unexpected information contained within.
BUT what is the difference between carrying a crystal and a set of keys, or a handful of change? Both are solid minerals, with some amount of energy and electromagnetic force. You would have to study the properties of moonstone and the others in order to stand behind any measurable scientific value.
And it sounds like you're just doing it because you heard it might work... it's sort of fun to carry around something new that you can focus on.
What you want to watch out for, is spirits that are working alongside these to convince you to lean on them.
Da 5:23You have exalted yourself against the Lord of heaven ...and you have praised the gods of silver and gold, of bronze, iron, wood and stone, which do not see, hear or understand.
But the God in whose hand are your life-breath and all your ways, you have not glorified.
Hab 2:19"Woe to him who says to a piece of wood, `Awake!'
To a mute stone, `Arise!'
And that is your teacher? Behold, it is overlaid with gold and silver, And there is no breath at all inside it.
We already use minerals for internal benefits -- lithium for a calm and stable mind, calcium to strengthen bones (and more), potassium for heart health and hydration, zinc for the immune system... and on.
Research is showing that the skin absorbs certain materials that we used to think were limited to ingestion.
Every substance has a certain amount of electromagnetic force, some amount of radiation, some escape of electrons (rocks in such a solid state that it's ultra-slow).
David Bohm, quantum physicist, spoke of light being contained as in holograms, and possibly solidified as matter (with turbulent electric fields). He also studied wave patterns within the brain, relating them similarly to holograms.
"Imagine an infinite sea of energy filling empty space, with waves moving around in there, occasionally coming together and producing an intense pulse.
Let's say one particular pulse comes together and expands, creating our universe of space-time and matter. But there could well be other such pulses. To us, that pulse looks like a big bang; In a greater context, it's a little ripple. Everything emerges by unfoldment from the holomovement, then enfolds back into the implicate order.
I call the enfolding process "implicating," and the unfolding "explicating." The implicate and explicate together are a flowing, undivided wholeness. Every part of the universe is related to every other part but in different degrees."
http://www.fdavidpeat.com/interviews/bohm.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Bohm
Einstein’s Theory of Relativity showed mass–energy equivalence, comparing matter mass and energy as two different states of the same thing. E = mc²
These physicists explored the concept of extreme potential power and even movement within a static object, and toyed with the concept of unexpected information contained within.
BUT what is the difference between carrying a crystal and a set of keys, or a handful of change? Both are solid minerals, with some amount of energy and electromagnetic force. You would have to study the properties of moonstone and the others in order to stand behind any measurable scientific value.
And it sounds like you're just doing it because you heard it might work... it's sort of fun to carry around something new that you can focus on.
What you want to watch out for, is spirits that are working alongside these to convince you to lean on them.
Da 5:23You have exalted yourself against the Lord of heaven ...and you have praised the gods of silver and gold, of bronze, iron, wood and stone, which do not see, hear or understand.
But the God in whose hand are your life-breath and all your ways, you have not glorified.
Hab 2:19"Woe to him who says to a piece of wood, `Awake!'
To a mute stone, `Arise!'
And that is your teacher? Behold, it is overlaid with gold and silver, And there is no breath at all inside it.
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gwithoutr
Enlightenment - it's not a dirty word...
In this thread I have heard the harsh (ignorant at times) judgments of those who claim to (among other things) smash and crush, that they are demonic, that it is part of the occult, etc, etc, etc....yet the "holy book" itself reveals Gods very GLORY is that of crystals - even in Rev 21:19-20 it names the crystals by NAME.
May the love and light of our Lord soften the hardened hearts of those who twist the Glory of God in nature and present it as "demonic". Maybe look into the origin of the cross (the pagans used it for thousands of years) Incense, an alter, sacrifice of animals, atonement for sin, the color purple, candles, the list goes on and on - everything that the "church" uses has been taken (stolen) from the pagans or even, God forbid, used by those practicing in the occult.
No matter what the church says, God will always be God, and His creation is perfect and powerful for all. Dont not use something because the pagans used it, otherwise you will have nothing to use or do in this world.
For those who are interested in enLIGHTENMENT, you may want to research the origin of the "church's" so called demons (daemons) and the "satan". You may get a shock as to its mythical beginnings and roots in Judaism.
However, since it is not my job to enlighten any person that does not want to, I will leave it up to the individual to choose light or darkness.
Please stop calling the glory of God and His creation demonic.
Love and light to all-God bless you.
Rev 21:10 And he carried me in spirit onto a great and high mountain, and showed me the great city, holy Jerusalem, coming down out of Heaven from God,
Rev 21:11 having the glory of God. And its light was like a very precious stone, as a jasper stone, being clear as crystal,
Rev 21:18 And the structure of its wall was jasper; and the city was pure gold, like pure glass.
Rev 21:19 And the foundation of the wall of the city having been adorned with every precious stone: The first foundation, jasper; the second, sapphire; the third, chalcedony; the fourth, emerald;
Rev 21:20 the fifth, sardonyx; the sixth, sardius; the seventh, chrysolite; the eighth, beryl; the ninth, topaz; the tenth, chrysoprasus; the eleventh, hyacinth; the twelfth, amethyst.
May the love and light of our Lord soften the hardened hearts of those who twist the Glory of God in nature and present it as "demonic". Maybe look into the origin of the cross (the pagans used it for thousands of years) Incense, an alter, sacrifice of animals, atonement for sin, the color purple, candles, the list goes on and on - everything that the "church" uses has been taken (stolen) from the pagans or even, God forbid, used by those practicing in the occult.
No matter what the church says, God will always be God, and His creation is perfect and powerful for all. Dont not use something because the pagans used it, otherwise you will have nothing to use or do in this world.
For those who are interested in enLIGHTENMENT, you may want to research the origin of the "church's" so called demons (daemons) and the "satan". You may get a shock as to its mythical beginnings and roots in Judaism.
However, since it is not my job to enlighten any person that does not want to, I will leave it up to the individual to choose light or darkness.
Please stop calling the glory of God and His creation demonic.
Love and light to all-God bless you.
Rev 21:10 And he carried me in spirit onto a great and high mountain, and showed me the great city, holy Jerusalem, coming down out of Heaven from God,
Rev 21:11 having the glory of God. And its light was like a very precious stone, as a jasper stone, being clear as crystal,
Rev 21:18 And the structure of its wall was jasper; and the city was pure gold, like pure glass.
Rev 21:19 And the foundation of the wall of the city having been adorned with every precious stone: The first foundation, jasper; the second, sapphire; the third, chalcedony; the fourth, emerald;
Rev 21:20 the fifth, sardonyx; the sixth, sardius; the seventh, chrysolite; the eighth, beryl; the ninth, topaz; the tenth, chrysoprasus; the eleventh, hyacinth; the twelfth, amethyst.
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ephraimanesti
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The point is that all the stones and crystals, etc. which were mentioned are mentioned because of their God-created beauty.
Where they indeed become demonic is when magical powers for healing, protection, etc. are falsely attributed to them.
All of God's creation is pure and beautiful. We humans, however, tend to defile everything we touch by worshiping the creation instead of the Creator. The problem is NOT in the things themselves but in our throughts ABOUT the things.
ephraim
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gwithoutr
Enlightenment - it's not a dirty word...
^yes ephraim, that is all in your opinion. I wont even get into the whole Daemon/Demon conversation with you. But if you do not like Crystals and their amazing God given powers, then stick to it. You do not need to convince others when you have no evidence, biblical or otherwise, that they are somehow attached to so called demons.
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Lets not argue guys, keep in mind we are in "Christian Advice" area. Although this does make a neat topic of debate.
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AutumnSnow
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I don't agree at all with the posters who have mentioned crystals are just rocks. No offense to them, but if you believe that, its too easy to believe that using them is harmless.
I've recently been going through a hard time in my life and had turned back to some new age/occult practices. The use of crystals runs rampant in the occult - they are used for everything from healing to bringing luck. I have used healing crystals in the past & can tell you from experience they are not simply pretty rocks. They DO work - you CAN feel energy from them flowing into you. It starts off as curiousity or "harmless" fun. When you are convinced of their powers, and it will not take long if you use them for any length of time, you start to form a connection to it. I don't want to say their users worship the crystals, but beleive me, it comes close.
I don't trust the powers that crystals possess, it makes me wonder WHO is behing that power ... its ceratinly not God.
JMHO.
I've recently been going through a hard time in my life and had turned back to some new age/occult practices. The use of crystals runs rampant in the occult - they are used for everything from healing to bringing luck. I have used healing crystals in the past & can tell you from experience they are not simply pretty rocks. They DO work - you CAN feel energy from them flowing into you. It starts off as curiousity or "harmless" fun. When you are convinced of their powers, and it will not take long if you use them for any length of time, you start to form a connection to it. I don't want to say their users worship the crystals, but beleive me, it comes close.
I don't trust the powers that crystals possess, it makes me wonder WHO is behing that power ... its ceratinly not God.
JMHO.
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ephraimanesti
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ALL of God's Power comes through His Son by means of His Holy Spirit.
Inanimate objects have NO POWER AT ALL, demonic or otherwise--beyond what misguided human beings falsly attribute to them.
To pretend they do have any power is to make them an idol which is a serious sin.
Period.
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