**Crickets**

[EastCoastRemnant]

Show me 1 command to celebrate birthdays or to take showers? If you cant show it, then it's a tradition of man. (mirroring your line of respect and reasoning)

Who says I celebrate birthdays?

 

[OntheDL]

Yeah a double-edged pun........
According to Paul full statement, sabbath days, and holy days are non-issues.


ESV - Col 2:16 -Therefore let no one pass judgment on you in questions of food and drink, or with regard to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath.

Some commentary interprets the KJV to suggest that "sabbath" implies other sabbaths than the weekly sabbath. If you say more than the given understanding you should put an asterik
Take another look at how all the bibles versions translates this text...
The fact that the following verse explains that sabbaths are shaddow of the real rest to come.

Read it carefully. It talks about the food and drink and things connected to the feast days, new moon and the weekly sabbath days, not the sabbath, new moon and feast days themselves.

 

[Pythons]

What does this have to do with Dec. 25th and the traditions associated with it??

Jesus celebrated the Jewish Tradition of observing the cleansing of the Temple...
...Scripture calls it 'The Feast of the Dedication' & you will not find any commandments to observe it.
...Given that Jesus said He was greater than the Temple do you find Occult themes in celebrating Jesus' birth?

 

[EastCoastRemnant]

Jesus celebrated the Jewish Tradition of observing the cleansing of the Temple...

Was that also the day of atonement?

 

[EastCoastRemnant]

...Given that Jesus said He was greater than the Temple do you find Occult themes in celebrating Jesus' birth?

Still not sure what you mean by Jesus saying He was greater than the temple having anything to do with Dec 25th...

Do I find this holiday occultic??

1. Christmas Tree – The sacred tree of the winter-god; Druids believed the spirit of their gods resided in the tree. Most ancient pagans knew the tree represented Nimrod reincarnated into Tammuz! Pagans also looked upon the tree as a phallic symbol.
2. Star – Pentalpha, the five-pointed star. The pentalpha is a powerful symbol of Satan, second only to the hexagram. The star is the sacred symbol of Nimrod, and has nothing whatsoever to do with Christianity.
3. Candles represent the sun-gods’ newly-born fire. Pagans the world over love and use candles in their rituals and ceremonies. Certain colors are also thought to represent specific powers. The extensive use of candles is usually a very good indication that the service is pagan, no matter what the outward trappings might be.
4. Mistletoe is the sacred plant of the Druids, symbolizing pagan blessings of fertility; thus, kissing under the mistletoe is the first step in the reproductive cycle! Witches also use the white berries in potions.
5. Wreaths are circular, and so they represent the female sexual organs. Wreaths are associated with fertility and the “circle of life”.
6. December 25 is known as the “nativity” of the sun. This date is the birthday of Tammuz, the son, the reincarnation of the sun god. Traditionally, December 21 is known as Yule. The Roman Catholic Church moved the celebration of Yule to December 25.
7. December 25 is also known to the Romans as “Saturnalia”, a time of deliberate debauchery. Drinking through repeated toasting – known as ‘wassail’ – was a key to the debauchery of this celebration. Fornication was symbolized by the mistletoe, and the entire event was finished with a Great Feast, the Christmas Dinner.
8. Even the name, “Christmas” is pagan! “Christi” meant “Christ”, while “Mas” meant Mass. Since all pagan Masses are commemorating “death”, the name, “Christmas” literally means the “death of Christ”. A deeper meaning lies in the mention of “Christ” without specifying Jesus. Thus, Antichrist is in view here; the pagans celebrate “Christmas” as a celebration of their coming Antichrist, who will deal a death blow to the Jesus Christ of Christianity.
9. Early American Christian Pilgrims refused to celebrate this day.

 

[Pythons]

Was that also the day of atonement?

No, 25 Kislev ( December ) for Hannukah....
...D.O.A. = 10 Tishrei, ( September or October ).

The SDA rubric of 22 October 1844 was supposed to sync with the 7th Month, 10th day D.O.A....
...This is why the movement Ellen was part of was called the 7th Month Midnight Cry movement.

What I'm saying is that if Christ observed the dedication of the cleansing of the Temple ( from the Macc time-hack )...
...And Jesus explicitly stated that He was greater than the Temple.
...Why would you find it odd that Christians would celebrate Jesus' birthday given that He is greater than the Temple.
...And Jesus celebrated the cleansing of the Temple?

 

[EastCoastRemnant]

No, 25 Kislev ( December ) for Hannukah....

The 25th day of Kislev according to the Hebrew calendar, which may occur at any time from late November to late December.

 

[EastCoastRemnant]

...Why would you find it odd that Christians would celebrate Jesus' birthday given that He is greater than the Temple.
...And Jesus celebrated the cleansing of the Temple?

Why don't we celebrate His baptism, the start of His ministry? Maybe we could pick a day like, say, Oct. 31st... we could dress up in costumes and go around taking candy from people as a symbol of us taking the gift of salvation from the giver of all gifts... wouldn't that be great! I'm sure Jesus would be pleased....

 

[Pythons]

The 25th day of Kislev according to the Hebrew calendar, which may occur at any time from late November to late December.

The Feast of the Dedication starts on 25 Kislev...
...According to the Jewish Liturgical ( Religious ) Calendar.
...25 Kislev can start anytime from late Nov to late December ( Gregorian ).
...They are two different calendars.

D.O.A. is the 10 day of the 7th Month ( Jewish Liturgical Calendar ).

 

[Pythons]

Why don't we celebrate His baptism,

Catholics do, it's called the Feast of the Baptism.

Celebrated on Jan 8 of this year.

the start of His ministry? Maybe we could pick a day like, say, Oct. 31st... we could dress up in costumes and go around taking candy from people as a symbol of us taking the gift of salvation from the giver of all gifts... wouldn't that be great! I'm sure Jesus would be pleased....

Couldn't find anything on the Church Feast Calendar for a celebration for the Start of Jesus' ministry...
...It's a great idea however ECR!

 

[mmksparbud]

HMMM---I always suspected that Christ was born on Oct. 31----it would be just like that old devil to take Christ's birthday and make it into a celebration to him, and take one of his pagan holidays and mix it up with some jolly fat man passing out presents!! What a con job!!

 

[Kira Light]

HMMM---I always suspected that Christ was born on Oct. 31----it would be just like that old devil to take Christ's birthday and make it into a celebration to him, and take one of his pagan holidays and mix it up with some jolly fat man passing out presents!! What a con job!!

If Christmas is anti-Jesus, does that make Halloween anti-Satan? All those kids dressing up in cute costumes and eating candy isn't very devilish.

 

[Stryder06]

Yeah a double-edged pun........
According to Paul full statement, sabbath days, and holy days are non-issues.


ESV - Col 2:16 -Therefore let no one pass judgment on you in questions of food and drink, or with regard to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath.

Some commentary interprets the KJV to suggest that "sabbath" implies other sabbaths than the weekly sabbath. If you say more than the given understanding you should put an asterik
Take another look at how all the bibles versions translates this text...
The fact that the following verse explains that sabbaths are shaddow of the real rest to come.

Ironic you'd say something about taking more than the given understanding, give you believe 7 days = 6 Billion years. Just saying.

 

[Cribstyl]

Ironic you'd say something about taking more than the given understanding, give you believe 7 days = 6 Billion years. Just saying.

Stryder if you start a thread on creation days, you can show me that seven days are referenced to earth days.

 

[Stryder06]

Stryder if you start a thread on creation days, you can show me that seven days are referenced to earth days.

No need Crib. The thread was already made and you simply won't admit to what you're implying. You go on about us using "commentary" and not sticking with the plain word of God, and yet, when the scripture says plainly that the Lord created the heavens and the earth in 6 days, and rested on the 7th, you say 6 billion. God said He did it in 6 and rested 7. That should settle it.

So yeah, you can expect me to bring that up every time you say something about commentary.

 

[JohnMarsten]

wow...

and it happened again... actually I dunno what the intention behind this thread was but it resulted again in some sort of debate about know things.

My take on christmas, I hate it, I dont celebrate it, and I feel lonely on christmas, when I think about all those people meeting up, having dinner together, spending time with each other, and nothing is going on for me. I guess thats why I hate it otherwise it would be all the same for me... hope I find a girlfriend soon...

 

[JohnMarsten]

just btw why dont SDAs celebrate that festival which was connected with buying wine and strong drink for tithings money ? it sounded like fun...

 

[EastCoastRemnant]

My take on christmas, I hate it, I dont celebrate it, and I feel lonely on christmas, when I think about all those people meeting up, having dinner together, spending time with each other, and nothing is going on for me. I guess thats why I hate it otherwise it would be all the same for me... hope I find a girlfriend soon...

You make my point perfectly... the holiday has nothing to do with a celebration of Christ's birth, it is just a cluster of traditions wrapped in a quasi religious garb.

 

[Cribstyl]

No need Crib. The thread was already made and you simply won't admit to what you're implying. You go on about us using "commentary" and not sticking with the plain word of God, and yet, when the scripture says plainly that the Lord created the heavens and the earth in 6 days, and rested on the 7th, you say 6 billion. God said He did it in 6 and rested 7. That should settle it.

I get it, your doctrine depends on seven literal day.

Like I explained before...I believe in seven literal days, but not in reference to the sun and moon of earth.
If you can prove that the earth sun and moon were present on the first day, please do it, and I'll have to reconsider everything.

(With respect to this thread why dont you just refresh that other thread, and we can revisit what each verse in Gen 1 says.)

If you just want to argue what definition of english translated words, you'll never understand God's how vast creation is.

So yeah, you can expect me to bring that up every time you say something about commentary.

Go ahead make my day.

 

[ricker]

You make my point perfectly... the holiday has nothing to do with a celebration of Christ's birth, it is just a cluster of traditions wrapped in a quasi religious garb.

I suppose Christmas doesn't seem to be about Christ to Adventists. Understandable since you all don't go have an Advent season leading up to the holiday, or go to church on Christmas like most Christians.