This is a repost. To see this discussion with some added Bible passages from gunnysgt - see the original thread:
http://www.christianforums.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=16181
I would like to request that when the admissions of mistakes start rolling in, they be posted to this thread, rather than the original.
Randman says that creationists don't defraud or mislead on purpose - they just make "honest" mistakes. Lets list some "honest" mistakes on that have been made by creationists on this board and see how "honest" they were. I'm sure the creationists will be happy to show how honest the mistakes were by coming on this thread and saying "hey - I was wrong on this one."
#1) Evolution is practiced as a religion
There is no hierarchy in evolutionary science. There are various fields of study, and the specialists in those fields are generally expected to publish in their field. No hierarchy is one point against evolution being a religion.
There is no dogma in evolutionary science. Any fact or theory within the field can be challenged at any time by the presentation of a better theory, or by falsification of the existing one.
There are no rituals in evolutionary science.
There are no supernatural beliefs in evolutionary science.
There are no philosophical assumptions behind evolutionary science.
Now all you creationists who have made the "honest" mistake of claiming that evolution is practiced as a religion, just type a quick message admitting the mistake & lets get the air cleared.
#2) There is no evidence for evolution.
Evolution in all its forms has been documented by various means. You may or may not feel the evidence is compelling. You may feel that the evidence must be subject to too much interpretation as it supports evolution. Fine for you to feel that way. Not a justification for saying the evidence doesn't exist.
Let's hear "I was wrong about there not being any evidence".
#3) Isochron dating is fatally flawed.
Either it isn't fatally flawed, some demon is directing the different flaws of different methods to converge on the same results, or it just works extremely well for a mortally wounded dating method.
So - "I'm sorry. I was just running my mouth when I said isochron dating was flawed. I wouldn't know an isochron if it came up and bit me on the rear end."
#4) Evolutionist reaction to Kow Swamp fossils is an example of propaganda
A) Kow Swamp fossils are claimed to be Homo erectus by creationist
B) Someone writes strong refutation of claim
C) Another creationist reads claim and complains that evolutionists don't give KS fossils the attention they deserve
D) a creationist here asserts that this complaint is based on fact, and that evolutionists are burying the evidence that would undermine their theory.
A) KS fossils are demonstrably not Homo erectus
B) It only makes sense to refute the claims that are actually made
C) It isn't difficult to find material about the KS swamp fossils on the internet or in the library. How much attention DO they deserve?
D) The complaint is silly. The evidence is out in the open, and despite the variation present in the K.S. fossils, nothing about them undermines hominid evolution in the least.
"I was wrong. This isn't an example of propaganda and indoctrination."
#5) There is a fossil of a human footprint with an embedded trilobite.
"I didn't bother checking my facts first. I wonder why the creationist web-site I got this from didn't ever post a correction?"
#6) People grow a third set of teeth when they get old...
"Ok, I went off half-cocked on this one. I should have checked my facts first"
#7) The real geologic column (where it exists relatively intact with all of the strata in it) is only 16% of the depth of the theorized geologic column.
"Ok, I trusted a creationist by the name of John Woodmorappe. I won't make that mistake again."
#8) There are fossil reptile footprints that came before the evolution of reptiles?
"I'm sorry, I had been drinking a lot that night and it sounded good at the time. That wasn't right".
Ok, boys - lets jump in here and show our Honesty by correcting these "honest" mistakes!!
http://www.christianforums.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=16181
I would like to request that when the admissions of mistakes start rolling in, they be posted to this thread, rather than the original.
Randman says that creationists don't defraud or mislead on purpose - they just make "honest" mistakes. Lets list some "honest" mistakes on that have been made by creationists on this board and see how "honest" they were. I'm sure the creationists will be happy to show how honest the mistakes were by coming on this thread and saying "hey - I was wrong on this one."
#1) Evolution is practiced as a religion
There is no hierarchy in evolutionary science. There are various fields of study, and the specialists in those fields are generally expected to publish in their field. No hierarchy is one point against evolution being a religion.
There is no dogma in evolutionary science. Any fact or theory within the field can be challenged at any time by the presentation of a better theory, or by falsification of the existing one.
There are no rituals in evolutionary science.
There are no supernatural beliefs in evolutionary science.
There are no philosophical assumptions behind evolutionary science.
Now all you creationists who have made the "honest" mistake of claiming that evolution is practiced as a religion, just type a quick message admitting the mistake & lets get the air cleared.
#2) There is no evidence for evolution.
Evolution in all its forms has been documented by various means. You may or may not feel the evidence is compelling. You may feel that the evidence must be subject to too much interpretation as it supports evolution. Fine for you to feel that way. Not a justification for saying the evidence doesn't exist.
Let's hear "I was wrong about there not being any evidence".
#3) Isochron dating is fatally flawed.
Either it isn't fatally flawed, some demon is directing the different flaws of different methods to converge on the same results, or it just works extremely well for a mortally wounded dating method.
So - "I'm sorry. I was just running my mouth when I said isochron dating was flawed. I wouldn't know an isochron if it came up and bit me on the rear end."
#4) Evolutionist reaction to Kow Swamp fossils is an example of propaganda
A) Kow Swamp fossils are claimed to be Homo erectus by creationist
B) Someone writes strong refutation of claim
C) Another creationist reads claim and complains that evolutionists don't give KS fossils the attention they deserve
D) a creationist here asserts that this complaint is based on fact, and that evolutionists are burying the evidence that would undermine their theory.
A) KS fossils are demonstrably not Homo erectus
B) It only makes sense to refute the claims that are actually made
C) It isn't difficult to find material about the KS swamp fossils on the internet or in the library. How much attention DO they deserve?
D) The complaint is silly. The evidence is out in the open, and despite the variation present in the K.S. fossils, nothing about them undermines hominid evolution in the least.
"I was wrong. This isn't an example of propaganda and indoctrination."
#5) There is a fossil of a human footprint with an embedded trilobite.
"I didn't bother checking my facts first. I wonder why the creationist web-site I got this from didn't ever post a correction?"
#6) People grow a third set of teeth when they get old...
"Ok, I went off half-cocked on this one. I should have checked my facts first"
#7) The real geologic column (where it exists relatively intact with all of the strata in it) is only 16% of the depth of the theorized geologic column.
"Ok, I trusted a creationist by the name of John Woodmorappe. I won't make that mistake again."
#8) There are fossil reptile footprints that came before the evolution of reptiles?
"I'm sorry, I had been drinking a lot that night and it sounded good at the time. That wasn't right".
Ok, boys - lets jump in here and show our Honesty by correcting these "honest" mistakes!!