Creationists: Explain

[Micaiah]

Today at 02:29 PM Arikay said this in Post #39

Im not sure about anyone else, but I think the step from literal to non literal bible, is one of strengthening faith. To put your faith more in god and the unknown than a bible that you can read and literally interpret. Its much scarier to not have everything drawn out as nice and neat as a literal bible would do, so you need to put more faith in gods guiding hand.

IMHO.

Can you fill us in again on your current beliefs or world view?

 

[OldBadfish]

Today at 10:16 PM Micaiah said this in Post #30



I'm with you on this one Bro. As we learn more real science, the true nature of theories that seek to supplant God's word will be clearly seen.

Right on.

I am not buying the fact that the bible has so many hidden meanings, that people have to speculate and misinterpret the meaning.

There is no way to derive anything of an evolutionary nature from the writings of Genesis.

If there is, could someone specifically point out how Genesis could be consistent with evolution? Scripture, anything?

 

[notto]

Today at 06:31 AM Micaiah said this in Post #40



Yes, I believe that it did work in this circumstance. I believe this is a record of real events, that Jacob was a real person.

Do you normally disregard as myth the plain teaching of Scripture every time you come across the supernatural or something you cannot explain. Why then do you accept the gospel message.

I don't see any evidence to point to accepting Jacobs breeding as a miracle. You are the one that pointed to the changes in domestic stock as "micro-evolution". Now you seem to be saying that these differences are miracles? Then I guess they aren't micro-evolution, are they.

So, the sticks and stripes didn't cause the animals to be stripped? I literal interpretation would point otherwise. The literal reading of the versus does not say that this is a miracle or that God was intervening. It shows that Jacob believed that by placing striped sticks in front of goats while they are breeding, they had striped offspring.

 

[Arikay]

Easy, I put my faith in the universe, similiar to how many people are supposed to put their faith in god.

Today at 10:33 PM Micaiah said this in Post #41



Can you fill us in again on your current beliefs or world view?

 

[Micaiah]

Today at 02:37 PM notto said this in Post #43



I don't see any evidence to point to accepting Jacobs breeding as a miracle. You are the one that pointed to the changes in domestic stock as "micro-evolution". Now you seem to be saying that these differences are miracles? Then I guess they aren't micro-evolution, are they.

So, the sticks and stripes didn't cause the animals to be stripped? I literal interpretation would point otherwise. The literal reading of the versus does not say that this is a miracle or that God was intervening. It shows that Jacob believed that by placing striped sticks in front of goats while they are breeding, they had striped offspring.

I simply pointed out that Jacob, like many others back in those days would have been aware of the changes that could occur in animal populations. Perhaps this wasn't the best choice of examples as it tends to complicate the point I sought to make. It is wrong to suggest that Christians have only recently become familiar with something we now call micro-evolution.

 

[OldBadfish]

Today at 10:29 PM Arikay said this in Post #39


To put your faith more in god and the unknown than a bible that you can read and literally interpret. Its much scarier to not have everything drawn out as nice and neat as a literal bible would do, so you need to put more faith in gods guiding hand.

IMHO.

That's true, but at the same time, God wouldn't confuse those who can't come to terms with the bible's meanings. Accepting evolution as fact is not consistent at all with the account of creation.

Your playing with fire putting trust and faith in man's incomplete and highly speculative evolutionary **theories**.

God is not the author of confusion, especially when it comes to a literal Genesis, he said he created us, why contradict, considering the incompleteness of evolutionary sciences?

Do I need to post Genesis 1-2? so that you can see that God supposedly created everything that creepeth on the earth? He didn't say "I created everything in bug form, so that mankind may eventually appear as a result of changing species and evolution, so they can promptly hang out in the Garden"

Also did God say he rested on the 7th day, or the 7,000,000,000th day?

 

[Micaiah]

Today at 02:38 PM Arikay said this in Post #44

Easy, I put my faith in the universe, similiar to how many people are supposed to put their faith in god.

Can you be more specific. Do you believe the gospel message of Scripture as outline in the Creed on this forum. I seem to recall a discussion recently you had with Pete re Taoism. I can look up and paste the discussion if you wish.

 

[chickenman]

I personally think it shows that jacob didn't have a clue about inheritance

 

[OldBadfish]

Today at 10:38 PM Arikay said this in Post #44

Easy, I put my faith in the universe, similiar to how many people are supposed to put their faith in god.

What has the universe as humans know it promised you?

 

[OldBadfish]

The Horse and Jack-Ass combo didn't work too well did it?

Yeah mules are useful, but they cannot propogate.

Maybe it's Horse and Mule, or whatever.

Sooooo, lets see some controversial scripture that supports evolution?????

 

[Arikay]

nope, I dont believe them, thats why im posting in a forum that allows for non christians and christians to talk together. If you dont like that, may I suggest talking with the adminstration, there is also a theistic evolution forum, that based on the rules im not allowed to post in. However, I do believe I have a good enough grasp on christianity to be able to post in line with many other theistic evolutionists and to never show that im not a theist. However, unless the admins told me I could, I wouldnt attempt to break these rules.

Go right ahead, If its what I was thinking of, it was a rather humorous conversation where I created a new name for a philosophy.

Today at 10:46 PM Micaiah said this in Post #47



Can you be more specific. Do you believe the gospel message of Scripture as outline in the Creed on this forum. I seem to recall a discussion recently you had with Pete re Taoism. I can look up and paste the discussion if you wish.

 

[Arikay]

Nothing, nor do I expect it to promise me anything. By promising me nothing, it has given me everything.

Today at 10:47 PM Badfish said this in Post #49



What has the universe as humans know it promised you?

 

[TheBear]

Every reference to false wisdom and knowledge in scripture, deals directly with spirituality, morality, and the path to salvation.

Eph 3:19 -
"to know the love of Christ which passes knowledge; that you may be filled with all the fullness of God." (NKJV)

The love of Christ which passes knowledge, (not - 'replaces knowledge').

 

[TheBear]

Good to see you, Sean.

 

[Micaiah]

Today at 02:56 PM Arikay said this in Post #51

nope, I dont believe them, thats why im posting in a forum that allows for non christians and christians to talk together. If you dont like that, may I suggest talking with the adminstration, there is also a theistic evolution forum, that based on the rules im not allowed to post in. However, I do believe I have a good enough grasp on christianity to be able to post in line with many other theistic evolutionists and to never show that im not a theist. However, unless the admins told me I could, I wouldnt attempt to break these rules.

Go right ahead, If its what I was thinking of, it was a rather humorous conversation where I created a new name for a philosophy.

No problem with your posts. Your personal beliefs will affect your views on Scripture. You said the following:

Thee ol sliding scale of beliefs.

If you want to get technical, im a philisophical taoist, Reformed Druid, atheist.

Hmm, phitauidist. Hmm.

Your views of Scripture are consistent with your own beliefs, and serves to demonstrate the point we seek to make.

 

[chickenman]

what point is that michaiah? that the evidence is so much against the creationist account of the history of the earth that one has to be a christian to believe it?

 

[Arikay]

Considering my views of the scripture seem to be very similiar to many christians here, I wouldnt say so. Much of my views on the scripture are actually based on what I have learned here from christians. (thanks christians )

so, getting down to the chase, are you saying that unlike what I posted, you put more faith in the scriptures (gods word) than in god himself?

Today at 11:05 PM Micaiah said this in Post #55



No problem with your posts. Your personal beliefs will affect your views on Scripture. You said the following:



Your views of Scripture are consistent with your own beliefs, and serves to demonstrate the point we seek to make.

 

[Micaiah]

Today at 01:56 PM Arikay said this in Post #24

Not only that, but it allows people to further understand god and what he ment.

By slowly understanding that the bible shouldnt be taken literally, but more symbolically, we can now look at the words and see what all the symbols mean and how they relate to teachings in our life.

(not to equate the bible to fairy tales, but...)
Look at a Fairy Tale, good stories but generally pointless taken at face value, however many have good moral lessons that they teach. The bible has many good moral lessons already in it, so by looking at it even more than face value, just think of all the teachings that have gone un heard and not understood. Teachings that can help us even further.

But then, im not quite learned in this area yet, so I may be wrong.

Given your professed atheism, it is no coincidence that you interpret Scripture this way, and this should stand as a warning to those Christians promote this mode of interpretation.

 

[Micaiah]

Today at 03:13 PM Arikay said this in Post #57

Considering my views of the scripture seem to be very similiar to many christians here, I wouldnt say so. Much of my views on the scripture are actually based on what I have learned here from christians. (thanks christians )

so, getting down to the chase, are you saying that unlike what I posted, you put more faith in the scriptures (gods word) than in god himself?

I place my faith in God, and therefore trust that His word is truth.

 

[Arikay]

Yep, im just an evil heathen. Just because I have learned from christians here, theres no reason to believe anything I say.

Today at 11:16 PM Micaiah said this in Post #58



Given your professed atheism, it is no coincidence that you interpret Scripture this way, and this should stand as a warning to those Christians promote this mode of interpretation.