Creationists: Explain

[OldBadfish]

Today at 10:58 PM TheBear said this in Post #53

Every reference to false wisdom and knowledge in scripture, deals directly with spirituality, morality, and the path to salvation.

Eph 3:19 -
"to know the love of Christ which passes knowledge; that you may be filled with all the fullness of God." (NKJV)

The love of Christ which passes knowledge, (not - 'replaces knowledge').

Hi Bear, good to see you too. Been using the Short bus these days?

"passes" knowledge of known lengths, and etc. Or knowledge of our creation?

That scripture is pretty broad. And it doesn't say anything about evolution, or knowledge to interpret Genesis as not being literal.

Eph. 3:17-19
That Christ may dwell in your hearts by faith; that ye, being rooted and grounded in love,
[18] May be able to comprehend with all saints what is the breadth, and length, and depth, and height;
[19] And to know the love of Christ, which passeth knowledge, that ye might be filled with all the fulness of God.

 

[Arikay]

Micaiah: I think you have made a very good point in these posts.

same with you BadFish.

 

[Micaiah]

Thanks for the chat!

 

[OldBadfish]

Thanks Arikay, I think you have made good points too. But in the end we will find out for sure. I think everyone has made great points, I also thank you for the chat.

Goodnight Micaiah. Goodnight Arikay, goodnight pete, goodnight Bear, goodnight Pete, goodnight notto, hehe goodnight EVERYONE.

 

[Arikay]

Two question though.

If god purposly made parts of the bible symbolic, would you still believe his words as literal truth?

Is the majority of christianity wrong for not taking the bible literally?

 

[Micaiah]

Today at 05:20 PM Arikay said this in Post #65

Two question though.

If god purposly made parts of the bible symbolic, would you still believe his words as literal truth?

Is the majority of christianity wrong for not taking the bible literally?

The main issue for the athiest is whether God exists, and if so what does He want. From a Christian perspective, you learn about God primarily through the teaching of Scripture. Study the book of John, and learn from the life of Jesus. God promises to reveal His truth and Himself to those who genuinely seek. The gospels are also a historical account of the life of Christ.

We could go on for hours discussing this topic with no progress. I cannot give you faith. That is a step that you must take.

Once the issue of faith has been settled, discussions on Scripture become more meaningful.

There are passages in Scripture that should not be interpreted literally. Jesus told parables. Paul used the lives of historic people in Scripture - Isaac, Ishmael, Sarah and Hagar to illustrate the meaning of law and grace. David wrote poetic literature, and used a bit of license in some of his descriptions. The prophesies given in Scripture are notoriously metaphoric. If you think Genesis is a difficult book to interpret, try reading Revelations, and working out what is and isn't metaphoric. Christians are divided on the extent to which these prophesies should be taken literally. We don't assert that all Scripture should be interpreted literally. Consideration should be given to the style adopted by the author, as shown above. However, that said, the internal evidence of Scripture as clearly demonstrated in other posts is that Genesis is a historical record of real events and people.

 

[Lanakila]

amen Micaiah!!

 

[Melange_Thief]

Two things to say:

1. Let's not get off topic. If we turn this into a God debate, I'll have a mod move it where it belongs.

2. Lanakila, if you post, please make it more than two words long and, since this is a serious forum, a response to something an evolutionist said. Otherwise, it's spamming.

 

[Arikay]

So, Genesis (part of the bible) is true because the bible says its true.

Im still confused as to why you believe gods creation is false (the earth) but his word is literal truth (the bible).

You didnt answer the question though. Do you believe you are right that genesis should be taken literally and that the majority of christianity is wrong for not doing so?

How come there lacks any real evidence for literal creationism?

Could gods creation (earth) be gods way of showing us how we should read Genesis?

Since his creation (earth) shows that genesis should be taken metaphorical/symbolical, could it be considered defying god to read it a different way?

Does god ever warn in the bible about shutting your eyes so tight even he cannot show you the way?

Today at 03:37 AM Micaiah said this in Post #66



The main issue for the athiest is whether God exists, and if so what does He want. From a Christian perspective, you learn about God primarily through the teaching of Scripture. Study the book of John, and learn from the life of Jesus. God promises to reveal His truth and Himself to those who genuinely seek. The gospels are also a historical account of the life of Christ.

We could go on for hours discussing this topic with no progress. I cannot give you faith. That is a step that you must take.

Once the issue of faith has been settled, discussions on Scripture become more meaningful.

There are passages in Scripture that should not be interpreted literally. Jesus told parables. Paul used the lives of historic people in Scripture - Isaac, Ishmael, Sarah and Hagar to illustrate the meaning of law and grace. David wrote poetic literature, and used a bit of license in some of his descriptions. The prophesies given in Scripture are notoriously metaphoric. If you think Genesis is a difficult book to interpret, try reading Revelations, and working out what is and isn't metaphoric. Christians are divided on the extent to which these prophesies should be taken literally. We don't assert that all Scripture should be interpreted literally. Consideration should be given to the style adopted by the author, as shown above. However, that said, the internal evidence of Scripture as clearly demonstrated in other posts is that Genesis is a historical record of real events and people.

 

[Arikay]

Sorry for stealing your thread.

Unfortunatly it is about god. Most literal creationists see evolution as a dirrect attack against their idea of god. Believing that god wrote the bible and that god wouldnt lie to them. So quite often it becomes a battle of ideas. On one side you have evolution, which indirrectly chalenges the literal truth of Genesis, and on the other you have people who believe that that challenge is a dirrect attempt to prove that god doesnt exist by proving that his writtings are false.

Of course, the majority of christianity can accept both evolution and god and the bible. But lets not bring them into it.

Today at 11:25 AM Melange_Thief said this in Post #68

Two things to say:

1. Let's not get off topic. If we turn this into a God debate, I'll have a mod move it where it belongs.

2. Lanakila, if you post, please make it more than two words long and, since this is a serious forum, a response to something an evolutionist said. Otherwise, it's spamming.

 

[Lanakila]

So I am not aloud to amen a fellow Creationist now. The rules have changed on this forum then, because I have done this many times in the past.

I don't think the majority of Christianity accepts evolutionary theory and rejects the Genesis account from the scriptures. I would love to see some statistics on that, Arikay.

 

[TheBear]

Today at 02:25 PM Melange_Thief said this in Post #68

Lanakila, if you post, please make it more than two words long and, since this is a serious forum, a response to something an evolutionist said. Otherwise, it's spamming.

No one here is required to post any minimum number of words.



Let's keep things cool, folks.

 

[Arikay]

Sure. Although their information is old. Here is a very interesting article that also includes some statistics:
http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Creationism

Also, many of the non american christians I have talked to have said that they never knew that creationism was still around until the visited internet sites.

Today at 06:49 PM Lanakila said this in Post #71

So I am not aloud to amen a fellow Creationist now. The rules have changed on this forum then, because I have done this many times in the past.

I don't think the majority of Christianity accepts evolutionary theory and rejects the Genesis account from the scriptures. I would love to see some statistics on that, Arikay.

 

[Arikay]

But there is a Maximum number of words. Its a conspiracy, a conspiracy I say. These forums are prejudice against the long winded and I wont stand for it.

Today at 07:06 PM TheBear said this in Post #72



No one here is required to post any minimum number of words.



Let's keep things cool, folks.

 

[sbbqb7n16]

BadFish answered this thread best with the 5 trillion response. If you could kindly let us know when one of these 5 trillion mutates into something other than one of the 5 trillion already here, please let us know Thanks

Today at 01:27 PM Arikay said this in Post #69

So, Genesis (part of the bible) is true because the bible says its true.

Genesis is true because it was dictated to Moses by God Himself. If you don't believe that, that's your own problem, but you've been told.

Im still confused as to why you believe gods creation is false (the earth) but his word is literal truth (the bible).

Who said His creation is false?

You didnt answer the question though. Do you believe you are right that genesis should be taken literally and that the majority of christianity is wrong for not doing so?

Sho do!

How come there lacks any real evidence for literal creationism?

You want fossil evidence for something that wasn't there before... you can't have fossils of a creation. There is real evidence however... you see there's this book that records what happened as told by the only Guy who was there at the time: it's called Genesis. Also when you lay out a creation map onto a timeline with a Biblical perspective, you see they line up just fine.

Could gods creation (earth) be gods way of showing us how we should read Genesis?

No... reading Genesis should show you how God created the earth.

Since his creation (earth) shows that genesis should be taken metaphorical/symbolical, could it be considered defying god to read it a different way?

No it shouldn't. God created man from the dust of the earth. Anything you read into that isn't supposed to be there.

Does god ever warn in the bible about shutting your eyes so tight even he cannot show you the way?

Actually He tells us to open our eyes to His truth. You're being led astray by the blind claiming that our eyes are too shut. Look around man... there has to be a God, and the only one that's ever done anything is the God of Isreal. Go figure...

 

[Nathan Poe]

Today at 01:45 AM Badfish said this in Post #46



That's true, but at the same time, God wouldn't confuse those who can't come to terms with the bible's meanings. Accepting evolution as fact is not consistent at all with the account of creation.

Your playing with fire putting trust and faith in man's incomplete and highly speculative evolutionary **theories**.

In all fairness, "faith" in evolutionary theory comes with the possibility of falsification: "I'll believe this until sombody proves it wrong. Then I'll believe a better idea."

Faith in Creationism has no such failsafe from error. "I'll believe Goddidit until some infidel, obviously misguided by Satan, tries to confuse me with scientific mombo-jumbo. Then I'll just say Goddidthat, too."

God is not the author of confusion, especially when it comes to a literal Genesis, he said he created us, why contradict, considering the incompleteness of evolutionary sciences?

Because the Bible tells us that God is not the author of confusion. Either the Bible is not the literal word of God, which makes this statement impossible to verify, or it is the Word of God, which means that God is truthful because He tells us he is, which is as circular as circular reasoning can get.

Do I need to post Genesis 1-2? so that you can see that God supposedly created everything that creepeth on the earth? He didn't say "I created everything in bug form, so that mankind may eventually appear as a result of changing species and evolution, so they can promptly hang out in the Garden"

He also didn't say anything about the rest of our solar system, he said nothing about creating germs that cause disease, and he totally forgot to mention the New York Rangers, cell phones with built-in cameras, and Country/Western music (things which I, personally, would really like to hear his explanation for...)

Also did God say he rested on the 7th day, or the 7,000,000,000th day?

But he does say that a day to him is like a thousand years to us (2 Peter 3:8), so when exactly was that 7th day?

 

[Arikay]

Genesis is true because it was dictated to Moses by God Himself. If you don't believe that, that's your own problem, but you've been told.

So the only proof we have of genesis (the bible) being true is in the bible. since you cant define a word with itself. Its not really evidence, but opinion.

Who said His creation is false?

A literal translation of the bible.
If you study his creation (the earth) it says that its much older than 6000 years. If this is not true can you find me some research (beyond the bible) that hasnt been falsified that says the earth is 6000 years old?

No... reading Genesis should show you how God created the earth.

Isnt it nice that gods endless power and ability is layed out so nicely in a couple pages.

Today at 07:42 PM sbbqb7n16 said this in Post #75

BadFish answered this thread best with the 5 trillion response. If you could kindly let us know when one of these 5 trillion mutates into something other than one of the 5 trillion already here, please let us know Thanks



Genesis is true because it was dictated to Moses by God Himself. If you don't believe that, that's your own problem, but you've been told.



Who said His creation is false?



Sho do!


You want fossil evidence for something that wasn't there before... you can't have fossils of a creation. There is real evidence however... you see there's this book that records what happened as told by the only Guy who was there at the time: it's called Genesis. Also when you lay out a creation map onto a timeline with a Biblical perspective, you see they line up just fine.

No... reading Genesis should show you how God created the earth.

No it shouldn't. God created man from the dust of the earth. Anything you read into that isn't supposed to be there.

Actually He tells us to open our eyes to His truth. You're being led astray by the blind claiming that our eyes are too shut. Look around man... there has to be a God, and the only one that's ever done anything is the God of Isreal. Go figure...