Creationists: Explain your understanding of microevolution and macroevolution

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

Thanks for the QED of Post 310.

You seem to take too much pleasure in pointing out that people died because of something very much avoidable if it weren't for politics.

 

[AV1611VET]

You seem to take too much pleasure in pointing out that people died because of something very much avoidable if it weren't for politics.

Politics didn't put hydrogen in vessel that was made for helium.

 

[sjastro]

I find the discussion whether Christian politicians had a positive or negative impact on the Hindenburg disaster amusing.

Being white or wearing socks with your shoes seem equally plausible.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

Politics didn't put hydrogen in vessel that was made for helium.

But it did.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

I find the discussion whether Christian politicians had a positive or negative impact on the Hindenburg disaster amusing.

Being white or wearing socks with your shoes seem equally plausible.

Yeah, I will admit that bringing the whole Christian politicians bit into play does seem like an attempt at a low jab.

 

[SelfSim]

'Politics' also caused the Challenger shuttle disaster, too .. (same as in Hindenburg case).

 

[SelfSim]

'Politics' also caused the Challenger shuttle disaster, too .. (same as in Hindenburg case).

Actually .. I'm a little uncomfortable in using the term 'politics' as a cause in these examples. Decisions made on 'gut instinct', motivated by desires of grandeur and lacking in a basis of physical fact is the real cause!

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

Actually .. I'm a little uncomfortable in using the term 'politics' as a cause in these examples. Decisions made on 'gut instinct', motivated by desires of grandeur and lacking in a basis of physical fact is the real cause!

No, I would call the Hindenburg the result of politics because it was a direct result of the Treaty of Versailles forbidding Germany from having any dirigibles or zeppelins in either it's military or naval air forces.

 

[Direct Driver]

Microevolution:
This

To this

Macroevolution
This

To this

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

Microevolution:
This
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To this
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Macroevolution
This
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To this
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Not really. Cars aren't the same as biological entities.

 

[Direct Driver]

Actually .. I'm a little uncomfortable in using the term 'politics' as a cause in these examples. Decisions made on 'gut instinct', motivated by desires of grandeur and lacking in a basis of physical fact is the real cause!

And that is due to politics. There is no question about it regarding the Shuttle. The Hindenburg was probably sabotage.

Not really. Cars aren't the same as biological entities.

It's a joke, son.

 

[SelfSim]

No, I would call the Hindenburg the result of politics because it was a direct result of the Treaty of Versailles forbidding Germany from having any dirigibles or zeppelins in either it's military or naval air forces.

'Politics' opens the door to the perpetuation of human ignorance of objective realities. (Same as perpetuating literalist interpretations of ancient texts).

Acting on beliefs is the true 'enemy'!
(Or more like failure to distinguish one's own beliefs is even worse!)

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

It's a joke, son.

Not to some evolution deniers...

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

It's a joke, son.

To be fair, you would not be surprised how many times that same argument has been tried to be used.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

'Politics' opens the door to the perpetuation of human ignorance of objective realities. (Same as perpetuating literalist interpretations of ancient texts).

Acting on beliefs is the true 'enemy'!
(Or more like failure to distinguish one's own beliefs is even worse!)

... what?

 

[AV1611VET]

Politics didn't put hydrogen in vessel that was made for helium.

But it did.

Thanks for the QED of Post 310.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

Thanks for the QED of Post 310.

I really do not see how it's a QED since it was a problem created by politics. Not scientists, not engineers, but politics.
Again, you take too much delight in pointing out events where people die.

 

[AV1611VET]

I really do not see how it's a QED since it was a problem created by politics.

If your son asks for a ladder so he can play on the roof, and you say NO; and he tries to get on the roof by climbing a tree and falls and hurts himself, is it your fault?

 

[SelfSim]

I really do not see how it's a QED since it was a problem created by politics. Not scientists, not engineers, but politics.

Politics is rampant in organisations based on engineering, bigpharma, etc skillsets (same goes for any business organisation, I suppose).

Again, you take too much delight in pointing out events where people die.

Its where the literalist (blind faith) thinking process takes one .. Ie: pretty close to outright hatred of others who don't happen to share in the core belief(s).

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

If your son asks for a ladder so he can play on the roof, and you say NO; and he tries to get on the roof by climbing a tree and falls and hurts himself, is it your fault?

Partly his for climbing it, and partly mine for not making sure that he followed my instructions. But that's dodging the issue.

The reason why the Hindenburg used hydrogen instead of helium was because the US controlled the exports of helium and they refused to sell it to Germany because they didn't want Germany to break article 198 of the Treaty of Versailles which states: "The armed forces of Germany must not include any military or naval air forces ... No dirigible shall be kept."
The Nazi Party, in control of Germany during the construction of the Hindenburg, made sure that the zeppelin was built, regardless of the engineers not having the stocks of helium needed so they had to use hydrogen or they were out of a job or worse.
Politics, plain and simple.