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Creationists: Explain your understanding of microevolution and macroevolution

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tas8831

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Humans adapt to different environments by intelligence, not by genetic adaptation.
LOL!
Only occasionally do we see adaptation by mutation such as sickle cell variants. But that only requires a single mutation.
Ah, so a new allele via a single mutation. Thanks. You seem to undercut your claims the more you blabber.
 
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Have you observed the Intelligent Design creation of a fully formed man from dust?
Or run the probabilities on it?
No? No experiments? Nothing?
Pfft... typical...
If there was a thumbs down, I'd click it.
 
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Indeed - he could have been the new director of the Bio-Logic Institute... oh, right.....
 
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A common theme among creationists/ID proponents is the faulty view that creation is the null hypothesis of evolution. Hence there is so little effort to provide positive evidence for design in lieu of negative evidence against evolution.
 
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tas, tell us how a stem cell goes on to produce more cells that tell other cells to turn on and off the production of keratin to make the correct feather type grow in the correct location on birds?
 
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If there was a thumbs down, I'd click it.
They can't make scientific arguments or present experimental evidence for their pseudoscientific beliefs about macroevolution so they say "prove God". The sad part about this is that can't even explain microevolution correctly and that's the explanation of how drug resistance evolves and why cancer treatments fail.
 
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This from the person who claimed that human adaptations to different climates is due to intelligence and not genetics.

(Not to mention someone who still hasn't bothered to read any modern evolutionary biology textbooks and the fact the subject of drug resistance evolution is covered in said books.)
 
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A common theme among creationists/ID proponents is the faulty view that creation is the null hypothesis of evolution. Hence why there is so little effort to provide positive evidence for design in lieu of negative evidence against evolution.
Still no experimental evidence of macroevolution? I guess you have to fill your posts with something. I'm still in a little shock that Frank admits my math correctly explains the Kishony and Lenski experiments. Doesn't he have to be sent to a relearning center or something?
 
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This from the guy who apparently gets frequent flier miles every time he mentions Kishony and Lenski.
 
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This from the person who claimed that human adaptations to different climates is due to intelligence and not genetics.
So you didn't listen to your mother when she told you to put on your coat when you went outside so you wouldn't catch your death of cold.
(Not to mention someone who still apparently hasn't bothered to read any modern evolutionary biology textbooks and the fact the subject of drug resistance evolution is covered in said books.)
Do you have one that explains the Kishony and Lenski experiments?
 
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You should try taking your own advice.

Let us know when you've actually tested your model. I won't hold my breath.
The Kishony and Lenski experiments are the test. Perhaps you have an experiment that does fit this model?
 
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So you didn't listen to your mother when she told you to put on your coat when you went outside so you wouldn't catch your death of cold.

Are you actually trying to deny the existence of cold-weather adaptations?

I mean, I'm trying to give you the benefit of the doubt here, but based on some of things you've claimed, it's really stretching it.
 
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If you don't, you are basing your theory on presumption, not scientific principles. You are presuming taxonomic groups are related and therefore macroevolution exists. That is physically and mathematically illogical.

You haven't shown how they can't occur.
Meanwhile, my statement still stands: since we see new species evolving, both in extinct fossil groups and also in extant living groups, then ipso facto, macroevolution is factual.
 
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Are you actually trying to deny the existence of cold-weather adaptations?

I mean, I'm trying to give you the benefit of the doubt here, but based on some of things you've claimed, it's really stretching it.
Aren't you aware that if it doesn't fit into Alan's K & L model it is pseudoscience?
 
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Aren't you aware that if it doesn't fit into Alan's K & L model it is pseudoscience?

I have a feeling he'd first want us to lock a population of humans in fridge for a few million generations to see if they adapt to cold climates before he'd accept it.
 
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Are you actually trying to deny the existence of cold-weather adaptations?

I mean, I'm trying to give you the benefit of the doubt here, but based on some of things you've claimed, it's really stretching it.
Oh no, it can happen genetically at the rate of about 1 adaptation mutation/billion replications. Do you know that Lenski did thermal stress experiments with his bacteria?
 
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