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We can't explain the idiotic strawman you've created because it's not real.And you atheists don't? You believe in macroevolution but can't explain what it is or present any experimental examples of it. It seems faith is important to you atheists as well, but faith in what?
And while we're on the subject... if something doesn't have experimental data in your eyes it's not real.And you atheists don't? You believe in macroevolution but can't explain what it is or present any experimental examples of it. It seems faith is important to you atheists as well, but faith in what?
And you atheists don't? You believe in macroevolution but can't explain what it is or present any experimental examples of it. It seems faith is important to you atheists as well, but faith in what?
And you atheists don't? You believe in macroevolution but can't explain what it is or present any experimental examples of it. It seems faith is important to you atheists as well, but faith in what?
Sure! Under ideal laboratory conditions, that only 1e9*1e6 replications. No problem getting 1 quadrillion replications.I was just thinking, wouldn't Lemski and Kishony, repeated about a million times, be very close to an example of macro evolution?
Yep! And there is no such thing as macroevolution, only what Ophiolite said, repeat the "Lemski(sic) and Kishony" experiment a million times. Compute the joint probability of those million random events (mutations) occurring! By the way, I've known some pretty smart auto mechanics."Atheist" got nothing to do with it. You might as well ask how the auto mechanics explain the diversity of life. Both are irrelevant to the question.
The thread is about how *creationists* understand micro/macro evolution, it's not even about non-creationists.
Faith is irrelevant. (Generally, but specifically to science.)
So you say.Yep! And there is no such thing as macroevolution, only what Ophiolite said, repeat the "Lemski(sic) and Kishony" experiment a million times. Compute the joint probability of those million random events (mutations) occurring! By the way, I've known some pretty smart auto mechanics.
You know, I just can't shake the feeling this guy put someone's dog into a homemade transporter.I've known a very smart auto mechanics also, but I wouldn't ask him to give a talk on evolution. And I wouldn't have asked Ernst Mayr to tune an E-type Jag.
Sorry, that one has gone over my head, or past my shoulder. I'm sensing a cultural reference, or a colloquiallism that's not in my repertoire. Can you explain?You know, I just can't shake the feeling this guy put someone's dog into a homemade transporter.
Star Trek. Scotty puts the Admiral's prized beagle into a transporter to attempt to prove that it's possible to transport farther than just from ship to planet. The beagle was never heard from again and Scotty ends up assigned to a remote, frozen outpost.Sorry, that one has gone over my head, or past my shoulder. I'm sensing a cultural reference, or a colloquiallism that's not in my repertoire. Can you explain?
Auto mechanics can't study and figure out biology and biologists can't study and figure out physics and it shows.I've known a very smart auto mechanics also, but I wouldn't ask him to give a talk on evolution. And I wouldn't have asked Ernst Mayr to tune an E-type Jag.
Life can take strange paths. And you didn't get this all correct. The equation I solved showed that trying to use thermography to diagnose cancer could never work. The accuracy of skin temperature measurement would have to be at least 5-6 orders of magnitude more accurate than currently possible and that's for a distribution of temperatures at points all across the skin. And there are lots of physicians trained in Caribbean medical schools and there is still a big shortage of physicians. I had no problem passing 3 written medical licensing examinations and an oral exam on my first attempts. Perhaps the problem is that you can't be a clown and pass a medical licensing exam.Star Trek. Scotty puts the Admiral's prized beagle into a transporter to attempt to prove that it's possible to transport farther than just from ship to planet. The beagle was never heard from again and Scotty ends up assigned to a remote, frozen outpost.
I hear this guy who claims to have been an engineering whizkid. He's got advanced degrees out the yingyang. He's working on the shuttle. He solved some equation that's still being used today. (the guy blows his own horn louder than Maynard Ferguson.) Suddenly he's studying medicine at a fourth-rate medical school in the Caribbean. Does that lead to more fame and fortune? No, our intrepid adventurer is currently practicing at an urgent care.
I was raised without religion as well, though now I am an avid church goer and happy to be so.
But I think that there is a difference here in the topic of evolution and the topic of something along the lines of the anthropic principal.
The question of if there are long neck giraffes is a bit different from the question of why any giraffe even exists to begin with rather than the universe being some mottled or incoherent, non-sentient jumble of matter.
I have to say, I'd go with the atheists here in the topic on the theory of evolution, but as far as I can tell, there doesn't appear to be an answer from atheists for why the universe has the apparent order that it does that hosts life. And to be fair, theists have beliefs, but it's not like we were alive in the beginning to "know" these deep questions either beyond faith based ideas. For atheists though, as noted, the rabbit appears in the hat without any particular reason or rhyme nor even a purpose.
Atheism doesn't really have a clear philosophy on life. Something to collectively motivates people in life through ups and downs, together as a "church". It doesn't have a philosophy that makes efforts for cohesion of people.
@tas8831 what do you think of this?
Oh, here's another.
Samotherium - Wikipedia
Oh wow, this is a genus of 5 different short necked species of prehistoric giraffe.
While it can be said that we don't have complete information about how things like DNA arose naturally, the preponderance of evidence we do have supports natural origins.
If ID proponents want to claim otherwise, they need to start by explaining the mechanisms by which DNA was designed and created by an intelligent designer.
Reading this, I get a picture of an old guy on a porch swing, saying, "Yes sir, I was raised atheist, in a non-God fearing home, indeed I was. I remember my momma used to wag her finger at me and say, "Thomas, you be a good atheist now, and don't go believin' in any o'them there gods, y'hear?" "Yes, mamma.". Heh, heh, and mealtimes, we'd not bow our heads and not say grace over the food; not thanking the Lord for his bounty... And then, once a week on a Sunday morning, we'd get up early and not dress smart, and then we wouldn't go to church to not listen to the sermon and not sing hymns... it wasn't fundamentalist atheism, but it was pretty strict, I can tell ya!"
Well no, again- that's not how forensic science or archeology works either- i.e. that's not how we scientifically determine intelligent design in any observed subject.
People still debate how the pyramids or Stonehenge were built- some argue ancient aliens using levitation devices! and who knows they may be right... but obviously none of this alters the unambiguous evidence for intelligence being a necessary mechanism in the object's design.
How exactly the manufacturing process was conducted by the deduced intelligence, is a very good question, but a higher order one.
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