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You caught me making a typo, there is still no other explanation.
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You caught me making a typo, there is still no other explanation.Hod? Who dat?
(I know what you mean, but you're just going in circles here. If you don't have an explanation, why keep responding?)
Note: Not looking for Bible quotes. I'm well aware what it says in Genesis.
What I want is an explanation beyond what is written in Genesis (or any other religious text) that specifically explains how it is possible to create life forms from scratch. Explain how a creator, supernatural or otherwise, would have created fully-formed life forms on Earth.
Describe the mechanisms, energies, forces, processes, etcs, that are involved in bringing fully-formed organisms into existence.
But you aren't! You are asking how that fully formed species came to life---how life itself originated---and it is the same question we are asking you and you do not answer!! I don't care about species variation--how did life itself form? That is what you are asking us!
I'll give this a shot:Describe the mechanisms, energies, forces, processes, etcs, that are involved in bringing fully-formed organisms into existence.
"Your side" seems to be allergic to the term "myopic" though.The difference is that "our side" isn't afraid / allergic of the words "we don't know".
The difference is that "our side" isn't afraid / allergic of the words "we don't know".
So how did first life itself originate? We don't know. Scientists are working towards solving that puzzle. They have a couple of good hypothesis, that have some evidence going for it, but nothing conclusive as of yet.
You creationists however, you are claiming that you DO know. So it's very fair to then ask questions about how you know, what it is that you supposedly know and how you can demonstrate that what you claim to know is actually accurate...
God breathed life into the form of a man He made from dust.
ow, since you don't know, how do we check your theory to check if it is accurate?
Your believe takes as much faith, if not more, than ours.
So how did first life itself originate? We don't know.
And how does that process work? So far you've given me: statues, air and energy. But you haven't even begun to explain how it all connects.
I'm talking about origin of species in the OP. The scientific explanation for that is biological evolution, as I have repeatedly stated.
If you have an alternative, then explain how it happened.
We have observable processes of biological evolution. That's how we can explain the origin of species; there's no faith in observing how biological populations change over time. We can see it happening and understand the mechanisms behind it.
Even if you want to argue the ultimate origin of life, it's all chemistry/biochemistry. For example, I can point you to how organic protocells can form (this site has some neat animations which walk through the processes). No faith needed, just chemistry.
Now if you want to argue that the above is not how it happened, then you need to bring something to table. So far we've got statues, air and energy. What's next? What are the steps? How does one go from those basics into a fully-formed living organism?
We do---God breathed life into the form of a man He made from dust.
Now, since you don't know, how do we check your theory to check if it is accurate?
Your believe takes as much faith, if not more, than ours.
You believe in an "I don't know"
---we believe in a God that has the power to do it.
Since we don't have the power--we can't do it---neither can you create it with your "I don't know."
Maybe we christians don't know much about how God can create things, except that his intelligence is very high, and his power can manipulate and create matter, but the important part is what is the truth, at least as i see is better one simple truth, than an elaborated sofisticated lie.
I'd be careful about letting creationists play the "god-of-the-gaps" card here.
This is why I'm focusing on origin of species. We know how that happened: biological evolution.
Creationists want to argue that we should replace that explanation for the origin of species, but haven't otherwise offered an explanation as to how it happened.
That we're seeing deflection already regarding the ultimate origin of life (e.g. the first living thing) is a red herring. I'm not interested in that discussion, just the origin of species.
Scientists test the ideas they come up with against empirical reality and go from there.
Huh? What "belief"? What is it about the words "we don't know" that you don't comprehend?
Yes, the question is why.
How do you distinguish truth from fiction?
How do you know that what you believe is accurate?
You just don't get it----God breathed into it--that was it---His breathe is life. Nothing else.
He is life.
You haven't said a thing about how you say life began---at least Dogma in post#63 admitted you don't know.
So---you have tested how life began and reproduced it?
I understand it.
You don't know and you can't say how life began and you can not reproduce it in any way---You therefore believe in nothing
---because you do not know and are positively believing that your theory about life is true but you don't know
--right---makes perfect sense.
If you can not state how life began--you have nothing to talk about. We know-it began with the very breath of God. That is it.
Can't be reproduced---until you do so---you have nothing.
Because He could. Because He wanted to---why do you have children?
Why do people paint? Why do people sing? Why do people write? Why do people dance?
Why does anyone create anything?
How does that work?
And how do you know?
Really? So how did "life" originate? ;-)
@pitabread will likely fully agree to this. It's just that his OP is about the origins of species, not of life itself. He's just trying really hard to not allow evolution deniers to derail the thread into another subject.
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