Creationists - Christ's worst enemies

[Sphere]

Stereotypes are generally a bad thing you know.

dont get me wrong, one of my good friends is christian, but I couldnt believe the stuff i've actually seen, get reinforced by nonsense here. So sad

 

[Electric Sceptic]

The moral and philosophical implications of Darwinism are inseperable from the theory itself.

This is actually a good example of the OP. Despite having been told numerous times, Matthew777 persists in perpetuating falsehoods like this. All it does is make creationists look like liars. I can't believe that's good for christianity as a whole.

 

[Kevin Ray]

I'm new here and dont know everything your talking about, but i am a creationist and i see nothing wrong with it. After all, the evidence for evolution lacks and has had no substantial evidence in its favor, but merely opinions, lies, brazen defiance of truth. Ahorrible event that seems to move over the globe like the shadow of the night. Evolution has plenty of arguments of humans being mere "glorified animals" and yes that according to evolution is what they teach. Didnt you go through human evolution, you know the whole monkey part and lesser mammals. If saying we are apes isn't saying that the homo sapien race is animals, than what is. Anyways, this so called fundamentalism is the same fanatical faith of christians and jews up until the considerably recent arguments of Charles Darwin.

 

[nvxplorer]

To be honest, from my own personal experiences, i've only been scared by christians. The most memorable experience happened years ago, when I was back in high school, one day upon ariving to the campus there was a pack of "religious" people standing across the street protesting homosexuals. I have no idea why they were there, they were only there for that one day, but they were there holding signs that had such Jesus loving phrases as: "God hates (insert bad homosexual term here)", and "(insert bad homosexual term here)'s will rot in hell".

Sounds like Fred Phelps' handiwork. Phelps is a psychopath, and most Christians don't associate with him. If you're interested in seeing the breadth of this man's hatred, type "Westboro Baptist Church" into Google. Out of curiosity, where is your high school located?

 

[nvxplorer]

I'm new here and dont know everything your talking about, but i am a creationist and i see nothing wrong with it. After all, the evidence for evolution lacks and has had no substantial evidence in its favor, but merely opinions, lies, brazen defiance of truth. Ahorrible event that seems to move over the globe like the shadow of the night. Evolution has plenty of arguments of humans being mere "glorified animals" and yes that according to evolution is what they teach. Didnt you go through human evolution, you know the whole monkey part and lesser mammals. If saying we are apes isn't saying that the homo sapien race is animals, than what is. Anyways, this so called fundamentalism is the same fanatical faith of christians and jews up until the considerably recent arguments of Charles Darwin.

This does get a little old. *yawn*

 

[Randall McNally]

I'm new here and dont know everything your talking about, but i am a creationist and i see nothing wrong with it. After all, the evidence for evolution lacks and has had no substantial evidence in its favor, but merely opinions, lies, brazen defiance of truth. Ahorrible event that seems to move over the globe like the shadow of the night. Evolution has plenty of arguments of humans being mere "glorified animals" and yes that according to evolution is what they teach. Didnt you go through human evolution, you know the whole monkey part and lesser mammals. If saying we are apes isn't saying that the homo sapien race is animals, than what is. Anyways, this so called fundamentalism is the same fanatical faith of christians and jews up until the considerably recent arguments of Charles Darwin.

Too much wrongness.

*head asplode*

 

[Electric Sceptic]

I'm new here and dont know everything your talking about, but i am a creationist and i see nothing wrong with it.

Welcome to the forums - I hope you stick around, for you might learn something about evolutionary theory and science. I say this not to attempt to insult you, but it's obvious you've been lied to about evolution, and you've accepted those lies (for whatever reason). Here's a good place to learn some facts, instead.

After all, the evidence for evolution lacks and has had no substantial evidence in its favor, but merely opinions, lies, brazen defiance of truth.

Sorry, but this is false. There is an immense amount of evidence for evolution - enough to convince in excess of 99% of the world's scientists over the last hundred years or so. Think about it - who is more likely to know more about a scientific theory and the evidence for it, your preacher/teacher/Sunday School teacher/parents, or 99% of the world's scientists?

Ahorrible event that seems to move over the globe like the shadow of the night.

Horrible? I suppose so...nature can be pretty horrible. Unfortunately, that's just the way things are.

Evolution has plenty of arguments of humans being mere "glorified animals" and yes that according to evolution is what they teach.

Not "glorified animals", but "animals". Humans are animals, the same as every other species of animal on the planet. Not only that, but we are mammals, the same as every other mammal on the planet, and apes, the same as every other ape on the planet. Now, having said that, this does not say ANYTHING about how humans should behave or what they are capable of.

Didnt you go through human evolution, you know the whole monkey part and lesser mammals. If saying we are apes isn't saying that the homo sapien race is animals, than what is.

We are apes, and animals.

Anyways, this so called fundamentalism is the same fanatical faith of christians and jews up until the considerably recent arguments of Charles Darwin.

Fundamentalism is a little more complex than that. Creationism is a religious belief which has been around a long while, and which virtually everyone held until science (led by Darwin) showed that it was incorrect.

 

[Sphere]

Sounds like Fred Phelps' handiwork. Phelps is a psychopath, and most Christians don't associate with him. If you're interested in seeing the breadth of this man's hatred, type "Westboro Baptist Church" into Google. Out of curiosity, where is your high school located?

south florida, miami.

Of course, that incident happened years ago, if I had to guess, maybe 4 years ago. These people were standing across the street, must of been about 30 of them. Mothers, and their children wearing T-shirts that said which church they were from. Holding their hateful signs, really made my blood boil. There were police there as well, to keep the students from crossing the street and picking a fight(believe me, they wanted too and I did too). This was early in the morning, before classes started.

I did the search you recommended, and some pictures from their site are almost identical to what I saw.



********edit..I just did a search on their sight, and found a flier asking to picket my high school in Jan of 2001(4 years ago, like I guessed). Im 100% positive now, it was these people.

A quick quote from the flier

December 10, 2001 NEWS RELEASE

WBC to picket Flanagan High School, Pembroke Pines, FL, Florida PTA, GLSEN, CDC and PFLAG -- Jan. 2 -- in religious protest and warning.

 

[nvxplorer]

south florida, miami.

Of course, that incident happened years ago, if I had to guess, maybe 4 years ago. These people were standing across the street, must of been about 30 of them. Mothers, and their children wearing T-shirts that said which church they were from. Holding their hateful signs, really made my blood boil. There were police there as well, to keep the students from crossing the street and picking a fight(believe me, they wanted too and I did too). This was early in the morning, before classes started.

I did the search you recommended, and some pictures from their site are almost identical to what I saw.



********edit..I just did a search on their sight, and found a flier asking to picket my high school in Jan of 2001(4 years ago, like I guessed). Im 100% positive now, it was these people.

A quick quote from the flier

December 10, 2001 NEWS RELEASE

WBC to picket Flanagan High School, Pembroke Pines, FL, Florida PTA, GLSEN, CDC and PFLAG -- Jan. 2 -- in religious protest and warning.

Yep, Phelps travels around the country picketing gays. He's a sick, sick individual. Did you see his new mission: God Hates Sweden. According to Phelps, the Asian tsunami was punishment from God directed at all the Swedish tourists vacationing in the area. It's a completely insane idea. Just goes to show you that mental health is not prerequisite to financial gain and following.

 

[Jetgirl]

Yep, Phelps travels around the country picketing gays. He's a sick, sick individual. Did you see his new mission: God Hates Sweden. According to Phelps, the Asian tsunami was punishment from God directed at all the Swedish tourists vacationing in the area. It's a completely insane idea. Just goes to show you that mental health is not prerequisite to financial gain and following.

I thought L. Ron Hubbard proved that already, you mean we have to give Phelps the "Rich Dangerous Wacko" prize too?

 

[Kevin Ray]

Welcome to the forums - I hope you stick around, for you might learn something about evolutionary theory and science. I say this not to attempt to insult you, but it's obvious you've been lied to about evolution, and you've accepted those lies (for whatever reason). Here's a good place to learn some facts, instead.


Sorry, but this is false. There is an immense amount of evidence for evolution - enough to convince in excess of 99% of the world's scientists over the last hundred years or so. Think about it - who is more likely to know more about a scientific theory and the evidence for it, your preacher/teacher/Sunday School teacher/parents, or 99% of the world's scientists?


Horrible? I suppose so...nature can be pretty horrible. Unfortunately, that's just the way things are.


Not "glorified animals", but "animals". Humans are animals, the same as every other species of animal on the planet. Not only that, but we are mammals, the same as every other mammal on the planet, and apes, the same as every other ape on the planet. Now, having said that, this does not say ANYTHING about how humans should behave or what they are capable of.


We are apes, and animals.


Fundamentalism is a little more complex than that. Creationism is a religious belief which has been around a long while, and which virtually everyone held until science (led by Darwin) showed that it was incorrect.

yes 99%, isnt it unfortunate, apparently you think by twisting my words in very slight amounts you will change my opinion, listen, scientists are often times biased, and stuck to their theory. Im not going to pretend I know how they all ended up believing evolution but thats what happened. But please consider the possibility that they are wrong, even if they are 99%. Evolution did lead to mass murderings of millions, ex. hitler, stalin, mao. Fun stuff.Along with saying that, a monkey doesn't exactly seem like God's image to me. We aren't exactly eating bananas, eating bugs off each others fur or walking on our fore limbs either. Now if we are animals why shouldn't we behave like them, afterall, it says alot about how we should behave. Humans are far more than just a beast. Along those lines, if God can command light into existence, why would he allow everything else to follow the course of a manufactured evolutionary theory.

 

[Kevin Ray]

Ow, and darwin never showed it was correct, at the time there were many who opposed him, and many who still do. His book, though I have not read it and should to get the other side, I will admit that. In no way proved everything was wrong, merely offered an atheistic alternative. Which seems more and more impossible every year.

 

[nvxplorer]

yes 99%, isnt it unfortunate, apparently you think by twisting my words in very slight amounts you will change my opinion, listen, scientists are often times biased, and stuck to their theory. Im not going to pretend I know how they all ended up believing evolution but thats what happened. But please consider the possibility that they are wrong, even if they are 99%. Evolution did lead to mass murderings of millions, ex. hitler, stalin, mao. Fun stuff.Along with saying that, a monkey doesn't exactly seem like God's image to me. We aren't exactly eating bananas, eating bugs off each others fur or walking on our fore limbs either. Now if we are animals why shouldn't we behave like them, afterall, it says alot about how we should behave. Humans are far more than just a beast. Along those lines, if God can command light into existence, why would he allow everything else to follow the course of a manufactured evolutionary theory.

This does get a little old. *yawn*

I actually felt guilty dismissing your first post in this manner. I see my intuition was correct.

 

[Nathan Poe]

Im not going to pretend I know how they all ended up believing evolution but thats what happened.

This says a lot about you and the quality of future debates.

But please consider the possibility that they are wrong, even if they are 99%.

Ok, let's consider the possibility.

We then need to figure out how 99% of the world's scientists came to the same wrong conclusion, and which right conclusion fits the evidence.

By your own admissions, you have no answer for this.

Evolution did lead to mass murderings of millions, ex. hitler, stalin, mao.

"Hitler was an evolutionist, therefore evolution is incorrect." Yawn.

People perform lynchings, therefore gravity is incorrect.

Fun stuff.Along with saying that, a monkey doesn't exactly seem like God's image to me. We aren't exactly eating bananas, eating bugs off each others fur or walking on our fore limbs either.

So it's an ego thing for you, is it? You're too good to have evolved?

Now if we are animals why shouldn't we behave like them, afterall, it says alot about how we should behave.

Why?

Humans are far more than just a beast. Along those lines, if God can command light into existence, why would he allow everything else to follow the course of a manufactured evolutionary theory.

Who are you to say He cannot?

Your main problem with evolutionary theory obviously isn't based on the facts, since you've already admitted you have none, but on your own pride. You want to be God's special little creature, that's your business.

But it would do wonders for youyr humility to calm down for a moment and actually study a thing or two before declaring war on something you know so precious little about.

Paragraphs wouldn't hurt either.

 

[Heather S.]

Evolution did lead to mass murderings of millions, ex. hitler, stalin, mao.

If you have to resort to a means such as this to prove your claims, then your claims have no base. I seem to recall that there have been incredibly terrible things done in the name of religion in the past. The Crusades come to mind.

Now if we are animals why shouldn't we behave like them, afterall, it says alot about how we should behave.

The evolutionary theory says nothing about how we should behave. The fact that we are primates (mammals, and therefore animals) was discussed long before Darwin. Regardless, all animals behave differently. Gorillas behave like gorillas. Dogs act like dogs. Rodents act like rodents. Humans act like humans. The evolutionary theory does NOT claim that humans should act like monkeys.


Heather

 

[Electric Sceptic]

yes 99%, isnt it unfortunate, apparently you think by twisting my words in very slight amounts you will change my opinion

No, I dno't. I didn't twist your words at all. I made statements of fact. Whether you like it or not, 99% of the world's scientists, who all know vastly more about science in general and evolutionary theory in particular, say you're wrong.

listen, scientists are often times biased, and stuck to their theory

No doubt they are. But to suggest that 99% of them stick to a falsified theory based on their bias alone is absurd.

Im not going to pretend I know how they all ended up believing evolution but thats what happened

I DO know how they all ended up believing evolution. They examined the evidence.

But please consider the possibility that they are wrong, even if they are 99%.

I will do that jsut as soon as anyone provides the slightest evidence that they are wrong.

Evolution did lead to mass murderings of millions, ex. hitler, stalin, mao. Fun stuff.

No, it didn't.

Along with saying that, a monkey doesn't exactly seem like God's image to me.

Who said it should be?

We aren't exactly eating bananas, eating bugs off each others fur or walking on our fore limbs either.

So what?

Now if we are animals why shouldn't we behave like them, afterall, it says alot about how we should behave.

We DO behave like them. We eat, drink, defecate, fornicate, etc. Those are some of the signs of animals. If you mean why shouldn't we behave like them in ALL ways, why should we? In many ways we are far more advanced than them. That doesn't chagne the fact that we are animals.

Humans are far more than just a beast.

No, we'er not. We're animals. The most intelligent animals, to be sure.

those lines, if God can command light into existence, why would he allow everything else to follow the course of a manufactured evolutionary theory.

Why wouldn't he? Evolutionary theory wasn't 'manufactured'...it was developed from observing the world around us - what you would call God's creation.

Ow, and darwin never showed it was correct, at the time there were many who opposed him, and many who still do.

Yes, there are. They are increasingly demonstrated to be wrong, as 99% (remember them) of the world's scientists demonstrate.

His book, though I have not read it and should to get the other side, I will admit that.

Haven't read it, huh? Let me guess...you haven't read ANY books on evolutionary theory, have you (and no, creationist books don't count)?

In no way proved everything was wrong, merely offered an atheistic alternative.

No, it didn't. It offered a scientific explanation. It is no more atheistic than gravity.

Which seems more and more impossible every year.

It does? Wow, you better let the world's scientists (remember them, the people who've been studying it for decades?) know. It's amazing that laymen, with virtually no scientific knowledge, education or qualifications, no more science than people with degrees who have studied it for decades.

 

[Beastt]

Seeing that so many have already jumped on this post and refuted it, I almost hate to climb onto the bandwagon myself. So I'll start as another did by welcoming you to the forum and offering my sincere wishes that you stick around.

I'm new here and dont know everything your talking about, but i am a creationist and i see nothing wrong with it.

I've never believed in other than evolution but that doesn't mean that I knew everything there was to know or that I ever will. I feel fairly confident in saying that I know enough to find it to be a highly compelling explanation for the diversity of life on Earth and completely within the evidence. I have to say that I have learned quite a bit about evolution in my time on this forum and it is my hope that you will do the same. In the vast majority of cases, those who strongly resist evolution have been presented with some pretty badly distorted representations of what the theory states.

Please don't let the fact that so many are posting an alternative view upset you. I can understand that you probably come from a family devoted to the Bible and to creationism as it is portrayed in Genesis. Assuming that you've grown up with parents, siblings, teachers, clergy and peers who all believe as you believe, it's easy to understand how you might hold the beliefs you present. When one is constantly supported and rewarded for certain beliefs by all of those they hold dear, it would be more difficult to understand how they would hold beliefs other than what they have been presented and praised for throughout their life.

After all, the evidence for evolution lacks and has had no substantial evidence in its favor, but merely opinions, lies, brazen defiance of truth.

No doubt, this is what you have been told but this is not at all accurate. If the evidence were lacking to support evolution, then scientists eager to see their names in print would be the first to openly refute evolutionary theory. If they could prove the evidence didn't support the theory, the would be propelled to instant stardom among the scientific community as well as certain segments of the religious communities.

A horrible event that seems to move over the globe like the shadow of the night.

Have you ever considered that the same was thought of heliocentrism for a great many years? There are still people who believe that the Earth is the stationary center of the universe, despite all of the scientific evidence which proves otherwise. They believe because certain verses in the Bible seem to strongly suggest a geocentric universe and they always place the Bible above scientific discovery. Add to those the people who still believe the Earth is flat and we start to get an idea just how far people will go to hold onto beliefs even after they have been shown to be indisputably wrong. When you take a good look at the evidence supporting evolution as well as the length of the list of observed instances of evolution in action, it is perhaps not improper to place creationism with the flat Earth and geocentric universe as ideas which have been thoroughly disproved despite the fact that some still choose to cling to them.

Evolution has plenty of arguments of humans being mere "glorified animals" and yes that according to evolution is what they teach.

As others have pointed out, evolution does not suggest that humans are glorified animals. It shows clearly that we are animals. We tend to look at our accomplishments and our intellect and use these things to lift ourselves to a glorified position above other animals, but in some ways this is simply the demonstration of a self-serving bias. Certainly we do a great many things none of the other animal species can do, but there are also a great many things they can do which we cannot.

Didnt you go through human evolution, you know the whole monkey part and lesser mammals. If saying we are apes isn't saying that the homo sapien race is animals, than what is.

You offer the appearance of being almost shocked by the suggestion that humans are animals. I find it somewhat sad that people can so completely ignore the evidence before them to instead adopt the suggestions of ancient peoples in their preserved writings. We are animals. There is absolutely no biological classification which places us in any other category.

Anyways, this so called fundamentalism is the same fanatical faith of christians and jews up until the considerably recent arguments of Charles Darwin.

I agree that a great many people have warped what they read in the Bible in order to retain their religious beliefs while not attempting to dispute the overwhelming evidence that evolutionary theory is correct. Perhaps this should be compelling as to the level of validity offered to evolution even by those who believe in a book, they believe contains God's word, which clearly states otherwise. I applaud you for the fact that you aren't attempting to sit on the fence and adopt a belief in evolution while distorting the creation account in the Bible to try to fit. But I think it's worth your time to learn more about evolution as well as creationism and the evidence for and against each.

Evolution did lead to mass murderings of millions, ex. hitler, stalin, mao.

Hitler and those who followed him and his beliefs despite the overwhelming evidence against those beliefs, lead to the mass murder of millions. The same goes for your other examples. When people follow beliefs out of loyalty rather than evidence, the result is rarely positive. At he very least such practices lead to prolonged ignorance.

Now if we are animals why shouldn't we behave like them

Perhaps the problem is in how you define the behavior of animals. We live in social groups like other primates. We eat, get diseases, struggle to survive, breed and raise young, display distinct personalities, play, grow, live and die just like other animals. If you were to take a human body and treat it the way animals are treated in a slaughterhouse, by the time it reached the butcher's display case, you wouldn't be able to tell the difference. Many students are provided with the dead bodies of animals in order to dissect them and learn more about the human body. We are, without a doubt, simply animals.

Humans are far more than just a beast.

I'll do my best not to take that personally.

In what demonstrable way are we more than an animal? What do we do that other animals do not do?

if God can command light into existence, why would he allow everything else to follow the course of a manufactured evolutionary theory.

Why indeed! Perhaps you're asking all of the right questions but accepting the wrong answers.

Again, welcome to the forum and don't be shy about coming back to continue the discussion. We're all bound to learn something.

 

[Jet Black]

Setters are still setters. Chihuahuas are still chihuahuas. I've never seen a Great Dane come out of a chihuahua! have you?

hold on, do you think that Noah took two red setters and two chihuahuas on board the ark?

 

[Jet Black]

LOL

Two words for you, my man: Bubonic Plague.

the League of Shadows did that.

 

[DJ_Ghost]

this so called fundamentalism is the same fanatical faith of christians and jews up until the considerably recent arguments of Charles Darwin.

Actualy its not. St. Augustine proposed something very similar long before Darwin.

Ghost