Creationists - Christ's worst enemies

[nvxplorer]

The implications of Darwinism include the belief that morality is relative, religion is nothing more than a product of the evolutionary process, humans do not have souls, etc.

This may be what you infer, but to suggest Darwinism affects the human race in this manner is absurd.

Human behavior is what it is. Man's inhumanity to man has been around since the dawn of civilization. When deciding to rob a bank, I doubt the perpetrator consults the ToE before making his decision.

Tying the ToE to philosophy is a non-sequitur. There has been no decrease in religion, wars were waged before Darwin as they are now, husbands didn't start cheating on their wives after publication of The Origin of Species, the existence of a soul was argued against before Darwin.

You can make the connections in your own mind, but the evidence says otherwise.

 

[Electric Sceptic]

The implications of Darwinism include the belief that morality is relative, religion is nothing more than a product of the evolutionary process, humans do not have souls, etc.

There is no such thing as 'Darwinism'. The implications of evolutionary theory, however, do NOT include the belief that morality is relative, religion is nothing more than a product of the evolutionary process, or that humans do not have souls. Sorry, but none of these are stated or implied by evolutionary theory.

 

[Sphere]

I'm here! Which garbage? you mean the garbage that humans have produced humans since the beginning of recorded history? Or the garbage that apes have been breeding apes? So when was the last time you saw anything other than an ape coming from an ape or a human coming from a human except in your imagination?

and again, carico has shown a lack of understanding of evolution.

*shock* who didn't see this coming?

Anyways, its really not surprising to find out carico is infact heidi from christianforums.net. The only difference is, 'carico' here may be utterly ignorant about evolution, but otherwise is pretty soft spoken. Whereas the other persona--heidi--is a christian who enjoys spreading hate and other vile nonsense about other religions. Not surprising, and sick and sad at the same time.

 

[BeamMeUpScotty]

The implications of Darwinism include the belief that morality is relative, religion is nothing more than a product of the evolutionary process, humans do not have souls, etc.

You are mistaking a scientific theory and its mis-use/misunderstanding by certain human beings. Hitler believed in evolution and used it erroneously for many of his genocidal policies. Its not the theory's fault, it's the people who use it to justify their actions.

Please show me how morality isn't relative, religion is not a product of, I say, culture, and humans have souls. While it may make you feel good to believe they all exist, I would say you cannot prove a single one. They might indeed exist, yet I doubt you can prove them.

Have a good day.

 

[Kripost]

There is no such thing as 'Darwinism'. The implications of evolutionary theory, however, do NOT include the belief that morality is relative, religion is nothing more than a product of the evolutionary process, or that humans do not have souls. Sorry, but none of these are stated or implied by evolutionary theory.

About the word 'Darwinism', it seems to be used only as a dirty argument tactic, which implies a set of ideas cannot stand without support from its proponent. Strangely, we do not hear of anyone being referred to as Democritists, Daltonists, Newtonists and Einsteinists and Bohrists.

 

[Tomk80]

The moral and philosophical implications of Darwinism are inseperable from the theory itself.

The moral and philosophical implications of Gravitism are inseperable from the theory itself. Now, I will throw myself from my balcony since gravitism says all things have to fall down.

 

[DJ_Ghost]

It does not mean you are anything other than a bottle of chemicals; belief in evolution does. Free will cannot coexist with that idea. I If what you do is the result of chemical reactions and your environment, how do you have free will, you are governed by the chemical reactions from an evolutionist's standpoint.

No. Firstly evolution does not equal atheism. St Augustine for example argued that nature created bodies and that God created souls. Free will resides in the soul not the body. Now that's looking at it from a religious stand point.

However from a naturalistic standpoint free will is just as real. The body is a bottle of chemicals, however some where along th line we develop sentience because it gives us a survival advantage (as was pointed out in another thread without our tools we aren’t that impressive, with them we dominate the planet and can defend ourselves from any perspective predator). Free will is a consequence of this development of sentience as it allows us to analyse a situation and over ride our chemical instincts.

Ghost

 

[Dark_Lite]

Anyways, its really not surprising to find out carico is infact heidi from christianforums.net. The only difference is, 'carico' here may be utterly ignorant about evolution, but otherwise is pretty soft spoken. Whereas the other persona--heidi--is a christian who enjoys spreading hate and other vile nonsense about other religions. Not surprising, and sick and sad at the same time.

It is rather disgusting. The rules are what keep her quiet here. She's extremely vicious on christianforums.net.

 

[Daegor]

Apparently he was a Christian, although not a proper one I'm sure

What was the evidence of his being a Christian ?? Did he live a life pleasing to Christ - did he follow Christ's commandment to love God and his fellow man ??

pleeeezzzzzz !!

Hitler was just another example of so-called "Christians" who used religion to subjugate and oppress. He used religion as a means to justify his crimes !

So we agree then...

 

[Daegor]

It is rather disgusting. The rules are what keep her quiet here. She's extremely vicious on christianforums.net.

OOH I'm in the wrong place...

Edit: Actually it gets pretty tedious after awhile.

 

[Ledifni]

I doubt that Creationists did anything to damage the image of Christ ever. For 1900 only Creationists were Christians and vice versa. Then Darwin made his theory and people started turning on the Bible. And look where it got us. World Wars, diseases, pain, and social discord.

Oh, that's brilliant. Who would have thought that before Darwin humanity didn't have wars, diseases, pain, or social discord? Can't for the life of me figure out why people spend so much time trying to get into Heaven when they die -- seems to me that the world pre-Darwin was Heaven.

Of course, maybe that's why the Creationists are trying so hard to refute him.

 

[Ledifni]

What is that these Creationist Christians do that makes you so emotional? You used the words "hate" and "contempt." Are those feelings justified?

If I were an atheist I wouldn't care a wit about what Christians did or taught in their churches. It sounds as though you have assigned yourself a mission to make everyone as smart and as honest as you. If I were to take a guess I would say that the source of your frustration is your personal expectation about how other people should think and act. Take a vacation from Germany and get some sun on the Mediterranean for goodness sakes.

We've got no problem with what you teach in your churches. The problem is, you won't keep it in your churches. You want to teach it to our children too.

 

[Ledifni]

The fact of the matter is that it doesn't affect God one bit what anyone believes about how the world was created. He told us through the bible how we were created and reality conforms to the biblical account perfectly. So hating God or hating creationists is completely irrelevant. What's relevant is what's true, period. People can continue to make up whatever story they want about how man was created, but it doesn't alter what's true one iota. The truth cannot be changed, but people's opinons sure can be!

"Give up your theories! It doesn't matter how the world was created! All that matters is that you admit I'm right about how the world was created!"

 

[Ledifni]

A Christians works will be burnt in fire . The fire itself determines what burns and what remains ie is it wood hay and stubble or is it gold silver and precious stones.

Do you know what happens to gold when it's burned indiscriminately? That's right -- it evaporates and, whoops, no more gold! It must be very carefully and slowly heated to melt it without turning it into vapor.

So you should probably stick with the silver and precious stones.

 

[Nathan Poe]

Do you know what happens to gold when it's burned indiscriminately? That's right -- it evaporates and, whoops, no more gold! It must be very carefully and slowly heated to melt it without turning it into vapor.

So you should probably stick with the silver and precious stones.

So.... does this mean that Creationists are in it for the gold?

 

[Ledifni]

2) Hate & Fear.....ok, what will they do? What will the Creationist force upon you that causes you fear and hate? Are they going to tell your children that dinosaurs lived with people? Is that the big evil plan they have during their midnight strategy meetings?

He's talking about if you guys (that is to say, the fundamentalist fanatics screaming about family values) get your hands on our government's reins.

And here's what would happen:

1) It would be illegal to teach science. Rather, teachers would be forced to teach the Bible as if it were science.
2) Homosexuals would be in concentration camps and/or ghettoes to prevent them from "recruiting children."
3) Sex education would be illegal. Instead, abstinence would be taught and the dissemination of birth-control facts to underage children would be a federal crime.
4) Sex between same-sex partners would be a felony.
5) Rights would be judged and granted on the basis of how well they glorify God.

And so on. I could go on, but that's basically what he's saying. I agree completely.

 

[Ledifni]

So.... does this mean that Creationists are in it for the gold?

Well, they do like hot air. Gold vapor, I mean.

 

[Ledifni]

I can personally think of 5: my dad, my uncle, my cousin who is married to a Christian, my brother's mother-in-law, and the guy who cuts my hair (he's a gay atheist who tells me he wishes he could believe in God and that he envies me)

How many atheists do you know that think it is better to not believe in God? I find that is the rare viewpoint when it comes to the average atheist.

Hold on. If they believe it's better to believe in God even if it's not true -- then why are they still atheists?

 

[Garnet2727]

I can understand the notion that an unbeliever may say "I envy a believer," or "I wish I could believe in God." An example in my own life is when my eldest nephew was killed. He was a highway patrolman and was killed in violent, fiery crash during a high-speed chase. Now, most of my family is Christian of the Southern Baptist kind. Throughout the days before, during the funeral and after the funeral, I saw how the faith of my family members ameliorated the tragedy of my nephew’s death. Their faith, particularly the faith of my sister who lost her son, gave them strength and offered them hope. Although they grieved and were terribly stricken by my nephew’s loss, they believed that my nephew was now in a better place and that they will be united with him after death. They figured that God must have had a plan for my nephew in "taking him so young." I could see how that was a comfort to all of them.

I had no such notions. For me, there wasn’t any kind of "plan" in my nephew’s death, it was a result of a high speed chase. I knew that my nephew no longer existed. He was gone and not coming back…ever. I will be honest to say that during that time I did wish occasionally that I was able to believe…able to have the kind of comfort my family had.

On a less emotive note, I sometimes feel like I’m the kid on the block that hasn’t been invited into the clubhouse. I watch believers from the other side of the fence and feel a bit lonely from time to time. Sometimes I think, well, I could pretend to follow the clubhouse rules, I could go through the motions just to belong. But I can’t do that. I’ve never been able to engage in that kind of dishonesty and I don’t believe I ever will.

 

[Athanasian Creed]

I can understand the notion that an unbeliever may say "I envy a believer," or "I wish I could believe in God." An example in my own life is when my eldest nephew was killed. He was a highway patrolman and was killed in violent, fiery crash during a high-speed chase. Now, most of my family is Christian of the Southern Baptist kind. Throughout the days before, during the funeral and after the funeral, I saw how the faith of my family members ameliorated the tragedy of my nephew’s death. Their faith, particularly the faith of my sister who lost her son, gave them strength and offered them hope. Although they grieved and were terribly stricken by my nephew’s loss, they believed that my nephew was now in a better place and that they will be united with him after death. They figured that God must have had a plan for my nephew in "taking him so young." I could see how that was a comfort to all of them.

I had no such notions. For me, there wasn’t any kind of "plan" in my nephew’s death, it was a result of a high speed chase. I knew that my nephew no longer existed. He was gone and not coming back…ever. I will be honest to say that during that time I did wish occasionally that I was able to believe…able to have the kind of comfort my family had.

On a less emotive note, I sometimes feel like I’m the kid on the block that hasn’t been invited into the clubhouse. I watch believers from the other side of the fence and feel a bit lonely from time to time. Sometimes I think, well, I could pretend to follow the clubhouse rules, I could go through the motions just to belong. But I can’t do that. I’ve never been able to engage in that kind of dishonesty and I don’t believe I ever will.

Doesn't the Person of Jesus, His teachings, His miracles, His love compel you to at least "give Him a try" ?? After all, that's essentially what Christianity is all about - JESUS, JESUS, JESUS !!!

I pray God gives you not only the desire but the courage to come to the One who is "the Way, the Truth and the Life." (John 14:6)


Ray