Creationists: can you explain post-Flood repopulation?

[PsychoSarah]

What do you mean "based on what"? It stands to reason that marsupials would be driven furthest from placental dominated regions. Is there some magical barrier preventing marsupials migrating somewhere that placentals didn't? I'd love to hear you explain this. But to do that, you'd have to have an argument, and we know you don't like those.

What reason? It doesn't make any sense for marsupials to end up away from placental mammals if they ever shared living space like that. If marsupials could have migrated, so could the placental mammals. The reason why the majority of marsupials are concentrated in small areas is because they evolved that trait on islands, where their population was isolated and they couldn't spread to other land masses. The "magical barrier" is an ocean of water they couldn't swim across.

 

[lifepsyop]

So why are there placental mammals in South America and Madagascar?

For the Americas, via the Bering land bridge and/or rafting events.

In Madagascar for the same reason as in the Evolutionist model: rafting events.

Why are there no marsupials in Madagascar?

Why should there be?

Would you guys try making an actual argument instead of throwing random ideas against the wall and seeing if anything sticks?

 

[dad]

Australia broke off from the Americas before the newly evolved placental mammals could migrate there and establish a foothold..

Rapid evolution in the past.

 

[Loudmouth]

Why should there be?

There shouldn't be because there was no recent global flood, and Australia has been isolated for a long time.

However, there is simply no explanation from the floodists.

Would you guys try making an actual argument instead of throwing random ideas against the wall and seeing if anything sticks?

Projection at its best. Making stuff up is all you are doing. You claim that there was some magical barrier that kept placental mammals out of Australia. Care to explain this?

 

[Loudmouth]

Rapid evolution in the past.

Evidence?

 

[Loudmouth]

Differential ecological pressures... or maybe you're right and it would have to be a LoonyToons style foot race between all animals.

What differential ecological pressures? Throwing stuff at the wall and seeing what sticks just isn't going to work.

We find burrowing mammals in the same ecological zones as antelope. Cattle, sheep, and rabbits do just fine in Australia.

Marsupials are driven away from central Eurasian placental populations, and consequently are the first groups to migrate across a land bridge from southeast Asia to Australia.

What is stopping placental mammals from migrating? You aren't making any sense.

By the time placental populations migrate in large numbers to southeast Asian region, the land bridge has significantly subsided. There is your explanation.

The marsupial moles outrun the antelope? Seriously?

And you're left with the argument that the Darwin fairies herded all animals at the same time towards Australia.

The geologic history of Australia has nothing to do with fairies. If you can't deal with the real data in geology, just say so.

 

[dad]

Evidence?

Science has none for fast or slow. Right. Show us if you disagree. meanwhile I'll go with the things God says.

 

[Loudmouth]

Science has none for fast or slow.

Why aren't hominid transitional fossils spanning 5 million years evidence for the slow evolution of human kind?

I'll go with the things God says.

You only go with what you say. You are not God.

 

[dad]

Why aren't hominid transitional fossils spanning 5 million years evidence for the slow evolution of human kind?

Because you paint evidences with your same state past belief to get imaginary old ages of course.

No human fossil, I suspect is older than about 4400 years.

You only go with what you say. You are not God.

God gave us, as Jesus confirmed, Scripture. It was not 5 million years ago till Noah. Really.

 

[Loudmouth]

Because you paint evidences with your same state past belief to get imaginary old ages of course.

Please show that they are imaginary, with evidence. Show that the dates are wrong.

No human fossil, I suspect is older than about 4400 years.

You suspect? You are just making stuff up.

God gave us, as Jesus confirmed, Scripture. It was not 5 million years ago till Noah. Really.

Nowhere does it say that Genesis must be literally intepretted. Those are your words, and you are not God. The Bible is not God. The authors of the Bible were not God.

 

[PsychoSarah]

Because you paint evidences with your same state past belief to get imaginary old ages of course.

No human fossil, I suspect is older than about 4400 years.


God gave us, as Jesus confirmed, Scripture. It was not 5 million years ago till Noah. Really.

Written language is older than 4,400 years (oldest written languages we find are from roughly 5,000 years ago), but I am sure you will try to dismiss that date too. However, humans and dinosaurs living at the same time equals humans being ate.

 

[dad]

Please show that they are imaginary, with evidence. Show that the dates are wrong.

Easy to do. Just name the basis for the so called dates and we will see religion on display and nothing else but belief.

You suspect? You are just making stuff up.

I suspect because that is the best explanation that fits the bible and science. Top that.

Nowhere does it say that Genesis must be literally intepretted.

I disagree. Creation is heralded by angels, confirmed by apostles and the Lord Himself. One cannot pretend there was no Moses, or Noah. The lukewarm mental gymnastics that some engage in to try to pretend the bible doesn't say what it says are not worthy of intelligent discussion.

Those are your words, and you are not God. The Bible is not God. The authors of the Bible were not God.

Is to..nya nya.

 

[lifepsyop]

What differential ecological pressures?

To repeat myself, competition with placental mammals.

We find burrowing mammals in the same ecological zones as antelope. Cattle, sheep, and rabbits do just fine in Australia.

You've made no point to respond to.

What is stopping placental mammals from migrating? You aren't making any sense.

I don't know if I can dumb it down further for you. Nothing is stopping placentals from migrating, but marsupials have increased pressure to migrate away from established placental populations. Thus marsupials migrate towards southeast Asia and over a temporary land bridge before placentals.

The marsupial moles outrun the antelope? Seriously?

Again, what is this mysterious power forcing antelope to chase after moles? Darwin fairies, spaghetti monster?

Antelope populations have coped just fine with the big placental predators. They've been sharing habitat for quite a while.

Maybe if you try presenting an argument instead of hand-waving inanities I'll have something to respond to.

 

[Queller]

They take only a belief that has no proof into account, the issue is not what they don't consider. The same state past is out, period.

It's out because it has no proof.

Anyone who tries to sneak it in without proof is not going to get the free ride anymore.

As they shouldn't. Science is all about the evidence. Your "different state past" has none.

They can ammount to the same thing. If I project climate or evolving, or what will happen to the sun..based on the belief that all things will continue as they were..that is prophesy. False prophesy.

You could have simply said "No, I don't understand the difference between projection and prophecy." You didn't need to use non-related words to say the same thing.

 

[Queller]

Evolution, or change, can happen very, very fast.

It can? Care to provide evidence for that claim?

All the life on the Ark was hand-picked by God,
according to the text.

In which verse did God pick the animals that Noah took on the Ark?

 

[Queller]

Humans too. Remember Neanderthal man and etc? We also have differences such as skin...etc. When else would that sort of thing have mostly happened?

Nice try.

Noah was a Neanderthal?

 

[dad]

Noah was a Neanderthal?

Maybe one of his sons How woulld we know what Noah and co looked like? The record of remains starts to kick in after the flood sometime I assume. We see man changing. So it is possible that Neanderthal man was a step on the way. Since he went north, if I recall maybe it was Japeth kin.

 

[dad]

It's out because it has no proof.

Thank you! I agree. That is the point. The past was different. Not the same. Same is out.

As they shouldn't. Science is all about the evidence. Your "different state past" has none.

Science is all about the evidence. Your "same state past" has none. Therefore much of science is all about fables.

There is not the tiniest shred of evidence of any kind that the past had our nature and laws. That is wholly assumed. When they look at evidence they bring that belief and assumption with them, and spray paint the evidence!

You could have simply said "No, I don't understand the difference between projection and prophecy." You didn't need to use non-related words to say the same thing.

Climate fear mongers are false prophets as are cosmologists who claim things about the far future. Really. Literally. Call it what you like.

 

[Queller]

Maybe one of his sons

Now you're claiming that a human could have given birth to a Neanderthal?

How woulld we know what Noah and co looked like? The record of remains starts to kick in after the flood sometime I assume. We see man changing. So it is possible that Neanderthal man was a step on the way. Since he went north, if I recall maybe it was Japeth kin.

Wow, you have one heck of an imagination.

 

[crjmurray]

Thank you! I agree. That is the point. The past was different. Not the same. Same is out.


Science is all about the evidence. Your "same state past" has none. Therefore much of science is all about fables.

There is not the tiniest shred of evidence of any kind that the past had our nature and laws. That is wholly assumed. When they look at evidence they bring that belief and assumption with them, and spray paint the evidence!

Climate fear mongers are false prophets as are cosmologists who claim things about the far future. Really. Literally. Call it what you like.

I gave you a thread to explain your different state past. You failed to do so.

Just like the IDers were unable to explain design criteria in the thread I gave them.

At a certain point it becomes obvious to everyone that all this stuff is just being made up on the fly.

I don't know if you actually think we're taking this seriously anymore but uh....we're not. You can't take a person seriously who goes around shouting about a concept but is unable to explain the concept when given a chance to do so.