Creationists: can you explain post-Flood repopulation?

[lifepsyop]

What is the mysterious power forcing antelopes out of Australia?

As I said, we can observe that Antelope populations have coped fine in the same habitats as placental predators. This is evidence that they did not have significant ecological pressures driving them away.

To repeat myself, why would this stop placental mammals from migrating to Australia?

Then you have no explanation for why they aren't in Australia.

I already answered this. Why did you suspiciously quote everything except my answer?

Here it is again with the part you cut out that directly addresses your question.

Nothing is stopping placentals from migrating, but marsupials have increased pressure to migrate away from established placental populations. Thus marsupials migrate towards southeast Asia and over a temporary land bridge before placentals.

Now address your opponents actual arguments or stop responding. These dishonest little games of yours is how you get on ignore lists.

One more time and I'm done with you.

 

[Loudmouth]

As I said, we can observe that Antelope populations have coped fine in the same habitats as placental predators. This is evidence that they did not have significant ecological pressures driving them away.

The significant ecological pressure is no other antelope eating the grass further away. In case you were unaware, antelope spread out to fill entire ranges, not huddle up in one corner of a species range.

I already answered this. Why did you suspiciously quote everything except my answer?

Because it didn't answer anything. If there is nothing stopping antelope from migrating, then you do not have an answer.

Nothing is stopping placentals from migrating, but marsupials have increased pressure to migrate away from established placental populations. Thus marsupials migrate towards southeast Asia and over a temporary land bridge before placentals.

How do marsupial moles outrun all of those placental mammals that migrate thousands of miles in a single season? Bison heards roam all over the place. They don't stay in one place. Your explanations take none of this into account.

 

[PsychoSarah]

As I said, we can observe that Antelope populations have coped fine in the same habitats as placental predators. This is evidence that they did not have significant ecological pressures driving them away.



I already answered this. Why did you suspiciously quote everything except my answer?

Here it is again with the part you cut out that directly addresses your question.

Nothing is stopping placentals from migrating, but marsupials have increased pressure to migrate away from established placental populations. Thus marsupials migrate towards southeast Asia and over a temporary land bridge before placentals.

Now address your opponents actual arguments or stop responding. These dishonest little games of yours is how you get on ignore lists.

One more time and I'm done with you.

You don't seem to understand that placental mammals wouldn't politely leave them alone. They would spread out too, and if they created such a harsh pressure as you suggest, would have wiped marsupials out completely.

 

[PsychoSarah]

No. Check the basis for the dates. The error curve rises exponentially once they even get near the state change! That is because the way they check the dates is by correlating with things like tree rings etc. In the former state trees could grow rings and all in weeks. That does you no good here.

No, carbon dating can work up to about 10,000 years of age. Tree rings are just like a topping on already good icecream.

 

[lifepsyop]

The significant ecological pressure is no other antelope eating the grass further away. In case you were unaware, antelope spread out to fill entire ranges, not huddle up in one corner of a species range.

Nobody said they had to "huddle up", and obviously they would not be over-crowding each other until population levels had significantly risen.

How do marsupial moles outrun all of those placental mammals that migrate thousands of miles in a single season?

The only one arguing that moles have to outrun anything is you.

Bison heards roam all over the place. They don't stay in one place. Your explanations take none of this into account.

Nobody is arguing anything has to "stay in one place". Any more strawmen you'd like to take a shot at?

 

[Loudmouth]

Nobody said they had to "huddle up", and obviously they would not be over-crowding each other until population levels had significantly risen.

Antelope and other placental mammals roam massive amounts of area each year. Moles do not.

The only one arguing that moles have to outrun anything is you.

Then you have no explanation for why there are not placental mammals in Australia.

Nobody is arguing anything has to "stay in one place". Any more strawmen you'd like to take a shot at?

That is exactly what you are arguing. Somehow, all of these roaming and migrating placental mammal species had to stay out of Australia for no apparent reason.

 

[lifepsyop]

You don't seem to understand that placental mammals wouldn't politely leave them alone.

How do I "not understand" that, when it is the entire basis of my argument?

They would spread out too,

I never said they couldn't. They just didn't have as much pressure to. Plenty of prey still remaining for them.

and if they created such a harsh pressure as you suggest, would have wiped marsupials out completely.

When marsupials leave the placental distribution range, they are no longer a harsh pressure. That's the whole point.

 

[Loudmouth]

How do I "not understand" that, when it is the entire basis of my argument?



I never said they couldn't. They just didn't have as much pressure to. Plenty of prey still remaining for them.



When marsupials leave the placental distribution range, they are no longer a harsh pressure. That's the whole point.

Moles move maybe 100 yards in their lifetime? Less than a mile, surely.

Antelope can move 10 miles in a single day, perhaps more.

These are the facts that you are ignoring.

 

[PsychoSarah]

How do I "not understand" that, when it is the entire basis of my argument?



I never said they couldn't. They just didn't have as much pressure to. Plenty of prey still remaining for them.



When marsupials leave the placental distribution range, they are no longer a harsh pressure. That's the whole point.

-_- look, if marsupials went to Australia, so would have placental mammals, if both had occupied the same area and been capable of going there. Nothing stops them.

 

[lifepsyop]

Antelope and other placental mammals roam massive amounts of area each year. Moles do not.

They also have specific preferences of habitat. They roam wide ranges because of ideal ecological conditions usually involved with seasonal cycles. These animals are not mindless drones trying to cover as much distance as possible no matter what like you are portraying.

If antelope aren't under pressure to migrate somewhere unfavorable, then why should they? So they can win a gold trophy in their race against the moles?

Then you have no explanation for why there are not placental mammals in Australia.

Right, if you completely ignore my explanation.

That is exactly what you are arguing. Somehow, all of these roaming and migrating placental mammal species had to stay out of Australia for no apparent reason.

Yes, for no reason, other than the reason I've given you repeatedly.

And there's nothing saying a limited number of placentals couldn't have potentially migrated to Australia early on and simply died out.

 

[lifepsyop]

-_- look, if marsupials went to Australia, so would have placental mammals, if both had occupied the same area and been capable of going there. Nothing stops them.

Like loudmouth, you have a bizarre concept of migration.

Animals can migrate large distances but tend to be in very specific direction patterns related to seasonal and other factors. If they have no pressure to migrate or range in a certain direction, they're not going to do it just for the hell of it.

 

[Loudmouth]

Like loudmouth, you have a bizarre concept of migration.

Animals can migrate large distances but tend to be in very specific direction patterns related to seasonal and other factors. If they have no pressure to migrate or range in a certain direction, they're not going to do it just for the hell of it.

Yet another explanation that is completely made up.

We find species of placental mammals spread over massive areas. They migrate over massive distances. And yet, you have a marsupial mole that outmigrates all of these placental mammals. In fact, all of these placental mammal species are outmigrated by tons of little tiny marsupial species that simply aren't good migraters.

If that's the best you can come up with, then it is no wonder that creationism is not taught in science class.

 

[lifepsyop]

Yet another explanation that is completely made up.

If you think I made that up, and that animals are always migrating willy-nilly wherever they're physically capable of moving, then I don't know what to tell you.

In fact, all of these placental mammal species are outmigrated by tons of little tiny marsupial species that simply aren't good migraters.

And yet again, your position relies on completely ignoring your opponent's argument - that one group of animals had greater pressure to migrate than another. You can't deal with this argument so you have to keep ignoring it.

 

[Loudmouth]

If you think I made that up, and that animals are always migrating willy-nilly wherever they're physically capable of moving, then I don't know what to tell you.

You have marsupial moles outrunning gazelles.

And yet again, your position relies on completely ignoring your opponent's argument - that one group of animals had greater pressure to migrate than another. You can't deal with this argument so you have to keep ignoring it.

When you support the argument with something other than your say so, you will actually have an argument.

 

[lifepsyop]

You have marsupial moles outrunning gazelles.

Yet again ignoring your opponent's argument.

When you support the argument with something other than your say so, you will actually have an argument.

I have presented a possible scenario that explains the distribution of marsupials in a flood model. I never claimed it absolutely happened that way, it is simply a feasible hypothesis.

You are taking the position that there is no explanation and you have failed to defend it.

 

[dad]

No, carbon dating can work up to about 10,000 years of age. Tree rings are just like a topping on already good icecream.

No. It can't. Not at all. The ice cream totally melts before the 4400 year mark. They are wrong on the dates, they are pure religion.

 

[dad]

No, planting can refer to placing plants at any state of development into a container or the ground.

So God one day got in a bunch of huge cranes and diggers and planted big oak trees and etc? You know about roots?

 

[dad]

There is nothing in Genesis 2 that states anything about trees growing in a week. It simply says they grew. Try again.

BTW, I am pleased to see you admit that your "different state past" doesn't work without miracles from God.

The nature in the former state saw trees grow fast apparently even after the flood. Noah sent out birds...no trees. A week later...fresh growth from a tree! The world and life was made in six days. Adam was here on the sixth day. When else would anything have a chance to grow?

The present state is a miracle, as was the former state as God made em both. The thing is they are different!

 

[Loudmouth]

The nature in the former state saw trees grow fast apparently even after the flood. Noah sent out birds...no trees. A week later...fresh growth from a tree! The world and life was made in six days. Adam was here on the sixth day. When else would anything have a chance to grow?

The present state is a miracle, as was the former state as God made em both. The thing is they are different!

Stories in books are not evidence.

 

[Loudmouth]

Yet again ignoring your opponent's argument.

You have failed to produce any evidence, so there is nothing to ignore.

I have presented a possible scenario that explains the distribution of marsupials in a flood model.

You have made something up. Not the same thing. Nowhere do you produce evidence showing that it is a viable model.