Creationists are told the flood is true and actually happened,

[Jazmyn]

Do all these terrible local floods leave evidence? Especially the big one in the Middle East?

 

[Gracchus]

Do all these terrible local floods leave evidence?

Yes.

Especially the big one in the Middle East?

The Tigris and Euphrates would flood annually well into modern times. The people living in the delta would build reed boats, put all their livestock aboard, and wait out the flood. One can almost hear the grandfathers yarning to the whining children, "Why this flood aint a patch on the one from my daddy's time! It lasted a whole year!"

I believe that dams have been built now.

 

[Jazmyn]

Yes but, people say that the flood story, at least the ME one, stems from one devastating flood that once occured there, is there evidence for this particular one?
And also, if there was a global flood, would just extrapolating the effects of local floods truly give an accurate picture of the evidence a worldwide one would leave?

 

[juvenissun]

I don't understand. We have water. So does Europa, comets and the Kuiper belt. Mars may have ice deposits under the poles. Most of the moons in the outer system are comprised largely of ice. The fact that we have one of the most common molecules in the universe doesn't really mean anything.

You do understand. You just try to ignore the HUGE evidence right in front of your eyes. I say it again: The ocean of the earth is an evidence that the Global Flood is true.

As for Europa, we do not need any evidence. It is still flooded now. It would be interested to think about where does all the water on Europa come from. In the other thread, I proposed that our moon had a global flood. What do you think? Need to see some evidences?

 

[Cabal]

You do understand. You just try to ignore the HUGE evidence right in front of your eyes. I say it again: The ocean of the earth is an evidence that the Global Flood is true.

As for Europa, we do not need any evidence. It is still flooded now. It would be interested to think about where does all the water on Europa come from. In the other thread, I proposed that our moon had a global flood. What do you think? Need to see some evidences?

Why in the world would it matter whether or not there were water floods on other worlds? We're talking about the evidence (or lack thereof, rather) for one specific flood on this planet.

 

[laconicstudent]

The fact that the Earth's seas still have thriving life over the microscopic level is proof that there WASN'T a flood. If there was a global flood, the environmental conditions would be so horrifically screwed over that everything would have died.

There wouldn't be any fish, sea turtles, cetacean, crabs, lobster, shrimp, clams, barnacles, corals etc.

They would have all been brutally wiped out by the wildly gyrating pH, salinity and temperature of the oceans and choked on the massive input of SILT as the the entire landmass of the Earth's continents were submerged.

I honestly think people don't understand how delicate the ecosystem can be. A global flood would have been a cataclysmic extinction event for the oceans.

 

[Jazmyn]

how do we know?

 

[Wedjat]

You do understand. You just try to ignore the HUGE evidence right in front of your eyes. I say it again: The ocean of the earth is an evidence that the Global Flood is true.

Clearly it is not
Explain how you could possibly see the current oceans as evidence for a flood, because I see the exact opposite. I see a ton of water, but not nearly enough to cover the worlds mountains. That is a ridiculous amount of water, an amount that we do not find in our oceans today.

 

[laconicstudent]

Clearly it is not
Explain how you could possibly see the current oceans as evidence for a flood, because I see the exact opposite. I see a ton of water, but not nearly enough to cover the worlds mountains. That is a ridiculous amount of water, an amount that we do not find in our oceans today.

You know, I'd much rather they actually explain how all of the aquatic animal species could have survived the wild fluctuations in temperature, salinity, pH and the enormous silt that would accompany a global flood.

you notice that the only response to that is a completely out of place "How do you know?"?

 

[nvxplorer]

I'd like to say three things in response here:

1) The Word of God will not return void; so even when I post a verse of Scripture and It's ignored, It did something inside of them.

2) These people display a lack of basic theology to the point that I'm almost convinced that the only thing they understand is the phrase: God did it. In point of fact, I don't think they understand half of what I'm saying; but through repetition, something should sink in somewhere.

3) I get the impression --- (and I could be wrong) --- but I get the impression that these people have seen things like bumper stickers that say: GOD SAID IT - THAT SETTLES IT, and just took it with a grain of salt. One of the things that I think I do here, is show them just how effective statements like that are; so the next time they see something like that, they'll think twice before concluding it's an empty remark.

God doesn't post here. You're saying it, not God. That's the problem. Just because you say God said it, doesn't mean he actually did.

 

[Jazmyn]

you notice that the only response to that is a completely out of place "How do you know?"?

no need to laugh at me.
I was just saying that how can people determine that would be the effects?

 

[Wedjat]

Based off of current understandings of how ecosystems work.

I recently visited some fjords. When it rains, they get so much fresh water coming down waterfalls that an entire layer of freshwater settles on top of the saltwater. No algae can grow on the banks because it is saltwater algae, which is killed by the fresh water.
Similarly, very few saltwater fish could survive in freshwater, and vice versa.

High sediment levels in water are also known to choke and kill fish.
A massive flood encompassing the entire earth in a period of 40 days and nights would stir up considerable sediment.

It would make the oceans too dilute to support saltwater life, and saltwater overflowing into rivers and lakes from the expanding ocean would make them too salty to support freshwater life.

And again, the sediment in the water would choke out anything that survived that.

 

[catzrfluffy]

but wouldn't the fresh water just float on top?

 

[AV1611VET]

God doesn't post here.

No, but His ambassadors do.

Now then we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God did beseech you by us: we pray you in Christ's stead, be ye reconciled to God.

 

[godsmission]

No, but His ambassadors do.

It seems that your God is the only friend you have AV, it's a pity he's only in your mind, but I suppose you're never alone and you will always have someone to talk to.

I used to be a schizophrenic but I'm OK now..........and me.

 

[Wedjat]

but wouldn't the fresh water just float on top?

Enough water is being produced in a forty day time period to flood the entire earth and cover the highest mountaintops.
That is a huge amount of water in a short period of time
The fresh water sitting on top in the fjord was because it is placed there relatively lightly in a thin layer on top, after a few days without rain, it gets mixed in.
Flood creationists claim that there was enough water to cover the mountaintops, besides there simply not being enough water on earth to do that, the sheer forces involved would be plenty to mix it up pretty thoroughly.

Not to mention the sediment kicked up. Did I say that already?

 

[godsmission]

Enough water is being produced in a forty day time period to flood the entire earth and cover the highest mountaintops.
That is a huge amount of water in a short period of time
The fresh water sitting on top in the fjord was because it is placed there relatively lightly in a thin layer on top, after a few days without rain, it gets mixed in.
Flood creationists claim that there was enough water to cover the mountaintops, besides there simply not being enough water on earth to do that, the sheer forces involved would be plenty to mix it up pretty thoroughly.

Not to mention the sediment kicked up. Did I say that already?

Can't you give her some hope? she really needs to believe in the flood, it's one of the foundation stones of her religion.

 

[Wedjat]

No it isn't, Christ is.
The only reason that the Old Testament was even included in the bible is to provide it with a sense of antiquity. At the time of Constantine, people didn't trust a religious text that wasn't ancient and all the NT stuff was actually fairly recent. The bible would have never caught on with the masses if it didn't include the OT.
Plus the Jewish population in the Roman empire was already using the OT. Tacking on a few pages to the backside made an easier transition then telling them to "throw out the old and in with the new".
Actually, technically speaking none of it existed in book form until 405 AD.

 

[godsmission]

No it isn't, Christ is.

I said 'one' of the foundation stones.

The only reason that the Old Testament was even included in the bible is to provide it with a sense of antiquity. At the time of Constantine, people didn't trust a religious text that wasn't ancient and all the NT stuff was actually fairly recent. The bible would have never caught on with the masses if it didn't include the OT.

I wonder if she realises this? I wonder if creationists realise this? I know I didn't.

 

[Wedjat]

Realizing is not the issue. Admitting is.
History is history is history, they just like to say the actions of a warlike emperor were divinely inspired and not politically motivated.