Creationists and atheists agree there is no such thing as evolution primer-fertilizer

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The paucity of logic in that statement is more than a little obvious given what Miller and you already admitted to about the "lifeless rock" statement.

As I've said, it's not at all obvious because you continuously misrepresent things.

I'm taking things you say strictly at face value and since you appear to be filtering and distorting whatever you are reading. Whether this is intentional or not, I cannot say.

I'm not giving you the benefit of the doubt until you demonstrate an ability to accurately represent the science in question.

 

[Estrid]

It came from the interview with Miller where Miller expanded on it to affirm in even more detail the fact that earth at one time had no life on it.

The point remains... obviously.

What point is that?

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

we get that a lot -- every time an atheist admits to some flaw the response from other atheists is usually of the form "yes but that was yesterday - and today we know soooo much more of a better answer"

Knowing more today than we did is a simple fact; how is having better explanations a problem?

Miller's challenge was simply "name that compound that does not exist on Earth and would cause a rock to produce an amoeba or a rabbit over time".

No, it wasn't. No-one claims such a compound exists.

that would be Miller's point "again".

His argument is that believing in the story means that you should be able to come up with the chemical experiment to "do it"

I'm not aware of Miller making such an argument.

The general purpose of abiogenesis research has already been outlined here.

 

[BobRyan]

Stanley Miller: " People often say maybe some of the special compounds came in from space, but they never say which ones. If you can make these chemicals in the conditions of cosmic dust or a meteorite, I presume you could also make them on the Earth. I think the idea that you need some special unnamed compound from space is hard to support."

But "if there were" such a thing and it was reliable then any time you "add evolution primer" to the culture dish and the prokaryotes did not pop-out eukaryotes you could call that a "fail" of the primer.

No, it wasn't. No-one claims such a compound exists.


I'm not aware of Miller making such an argument.

hmm - so much fun watching atheists argue with each other.

hint: check the title of this thread for reference.

 

[Speedwell]

hmm - so much fun watching atheists argue with each other.

hint: check the title of this thread for reference.

So Stanley Miller didn't believe in some hypothetical "special unnamed compound from space." So what?

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

hmm - so much fun watching atheists argue with each other.

hint: check the title of this thread for reference.

No trace of claims of a compound that "would cause a rock to produce an amoeba or a rabbit over time" in that quote.

You keep making absurd claims and posting quotes that fail to support them ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

 

[Estrid]

No trace of claims of a compound that "would cause a rock to produce an amoeba or a rabbit over time" in that quote.

You keep making absurd claims and posting quotes that fail to support them ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Um, have you known a creationist to do otherwise?

 

[HARK!]

No trace of claims of a compound that "would cause a rock to produce an amoeba or a rabbit over time" in that quote.

You keep making absurd claims and posting quotes that fail to support them ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Absurd claim? Please tell me where I can procure some of this compound. I have an abundance of rocks, and natural predators; and I would like to see more lawn bunnies.

To my knowledge rocks have not been declared an endangered species; so I don't understand why I can't find this compound on the open market.

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

Um, have you known a creationist to do otherwise?

This is an unusually & absurdly surreal misrepresentation of the science and the scientists. Not the usual run-of-the-mill absurdity of faith-based arguments we often hear. Basically puerile trolling.

 

[Estrid]

This is an unusually & absurdly surreal misrepresentation of the science and the scientists. Not the usual run-of-the-mill absurdity of faith-based arguments we often hear. Basically puerile trolling.

Really now. Please tell me how it is possible to do
any science at all, starting from an inflexible a priori
assumption of a conclusion.

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

Really now. Please tell me how it is possible to do
any science at all, starting from an inflexible a priori
assumption of a conclusion.

Of course, it isn't possible... my post wasn't about that - are you sure you're responding to the right post?

 

[Estrid]

Of course, it isn't possible... my post wasn't about that - are you sure you're responding to the right post?

Seems i should haved sked you that
Wires crossed somewhere.

Saul Goodman

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

Seems i should haved sked you that
Wires crossed somewhere.

Thought so

Saul Goodman

?

 

[Estrid]

Thought so

?

"Its all good, man"