Creationist Statements

[AV1611VET]

Why are you doing that?

I'm sorry --- I really am.

That was unChristian of me.

 

[Freysinn]

How would you know, Naraoia, until you create one?

And yes, you'd face serious difficulties alright --- with God.

Well he wouldnt know for sure but there is nearly always a con when there is a pro.

Source on the god one.

 

[Gishin]

I figure I might as well contribute something.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hEoZso225Us

 

[daniel192]

Good for nature.

I'm talking about genetic engineering now --- inside of a laboratory.

Nature doesn't have a monopoly on creating mutants, does she?

Cherry picker.
As far as I know, yes, you can create a new race. Want a blue, green, red or violet one, be my guest.

Nature is a "she"? Then space is he?

 

[Agonaces of Susa]

On the Origin of Species by Means of Natural Selection, or the Preservation of Favoured Races in the Struggle for Life
Do you know what that means?

It means that Darwin was a proto-Nazi and Hitler was a Darwinist.

 

[FreezBee]

Second, Darwinism and Nazism are the exact same thing.

Ok, if by 'Darwinism' you mean 'Nazism', why don't you just say 'Nazism'? That migh help people not to get you wrong.

"The deepest and ultimate reason for the decline of the old Reich lay in its failure to recognize the racial problem and its importance for the historical evolution of peoples. For events in the lives of peoples are not expressions of chance, but processes related to the self-preservation and propagation of the species and the race and subject to the laws of Nature, even if people are not conscious of the inner reason for their actions." -- Adolf Hitler, Führer, 1925

But what were these laws of nature?

(We'll save this question a short while).

"... struggle is always a means for improving a species' health and power of resistance and, therefore, a cause of its higher evolution. If the process were different, all further evolution would cease and the opposite would occur." -- Adolf Hitler, Führer, 1925

Let's take a bit more, shall we?

From Mein Kampf, Chapter 11:

[SIZE=+1]The consequence of this racial purity, universally valid in Nature, is not only the sharp outward delimitation of the various races, but their uniform character in themselves. The fox is always a fox, the goose a goose, the tiger a tiger, etc., and the difference can lie at most in the varying measure of force, strength, intelligence, dexterity, endurance, etc., of the individual specimens. But you will never find a fox who in his inner attitude might, for example, show humanitarian tendencies toward geese, as similarly there is no cat with a friendly inclination toward mice.

Therefore, here, too, the struggle among themselves arises less from inner aversion than from hunger and love. In both cases, Nature looks on calmly, with satisfaction, in fact. In the struggle for daily bread all those who are weak and sickly or less determined succumb, while the struggle of the males for the female grants the right or opportunity to propagate only to the healthiest. And struggle is always a means for improving a species' health and power of resistance and, therefore, a cause of its higher development.[/SIZE]

Look at the paragraph preceding the one quoted by you. As you can see from this paragraph, Hitler was an essentialist; that is, he believed that each species possessed an unalterable essence that could not change, whereas, as you know, Darwinists believe in common descent; that is that there is no speciel essence for every species, because all species have come from the same common ancestor and therefore share the same essence.

'The law of nature' that each species maintains its identity is certainly not Darwinist.

"National Socialism is nothing but applied biology." -- Rudolph Hess, Deputy Führer, 1934

"National Socialism is applied biology." -- Hans Schemm, Nazi Education Minister and president of the Nazi Teacher's Association, 1935

"Darwin would be astounded at the progress we're going to make in one year as we move the human race forward." -- Reinhard Heydrich, Chief of Police, January 20th 1942

Workin' in a quote mine
Goin' down down down
Workin' in a quote mine
Whop! about to slip down
Workin' in a quote mine
Goin' down down down
Workin' in a quote mine
Whop! about to slip down
Five o'clock in the mornin'
I'm all ready up and gone
Lord I am so tired
How long can this go on?

(Sorry Lee, I promise it won't happen again)

Adolf Hitler named his book My Struggle (1925) after Charles Darwin's book title The Preservation of Favoured Races in the Struggle for Life (1859).

Of course he didn't. The title alludes to his struggle against the lies that his opponents were spreading about him.


- FreezBee

 

[Biologist]

"... struggle is always a means for improving a species' health and power of resistance and, therefore, a cause of its higher evolution. If the process were different, all further evolution would cease and the opposite would occur." -- Adolf Hitler, Fuhrer, 1925

Site a source on this quote please!

Resolved.

while the struggle of the males for the female grants the right or opportunity to propagate only to the healthiest. And struggle is always a means for improving a species' health and power of resistance and, therefore, a cause of its higher development.

alt+f "health and power"

They completely change the quote(which is why you can't find them) and thus the meaning. <staff edit>

Agonaces of Susa[/url]] Unlike Darwinists, I don't believe everything I read on the internet.

Doesn't look like it.

 

[Freysinn]

I'm sorry --- I really am.

That was unChristian of me.

Bit funny though.

 

[Agonaces of Susa]

But what were these laws of nature?

They aren't laws of nature.

Proto-Nazis like Charles Darwin and Darwinists like Adolf Hitler thought they were.

 

[Agonaces of Susa]

They completely change the quote(which is why you can't find them) and thus the meaning.

The German word is Entwicklung which means evolution.

Illiteracy and ignorance for atheism strikes again.

 

[Freysinn]

The German word is Entwicklung which means evolution.

Illiteracy and ignorance for atheism strikes again.

The english word evolution means a slow change and where exacly does he say entwicklung in context with the supperiority of white men.

Ignorance of creationists strikes again.

 

[Biologist]

The German word is Entwicklung which means evolution.

Illiteracy and ignorance for atheism strikes again.

It can actually mean several things.

Are you going to accept my challenge for a formal debate?

Better yet, I challenge you to a formal debate:

I will present the argument that Hitler was Christian when he wrote Mein Kampf and on the day that the first Jews were murdered. However, I will also make the point that his crimes were inspired by racism not his religion.

You can make the argument that Hitler was Atheist or Non-religious at the time of writing my Kampf and on the day the first Jews were murdered. You can also present a link between Darwin's writings and Hitler's killing.

This, has got to end somewhere. I will draw up the rules once I get of from work, but you can go ahead and start gathering sources and writing your thesis.

 

[Agonaces of Susa]

Are you going to accept my challenge for a formal debate?

Absolutely. What are we debating?

Better yet, I challenge you to a formal debate:

I will present the argument that Hitler was Christian when he wrote Mein Kampf and on the day that the first Jews were murdered. However, I will also make the point that his crimes were inspired by racism not his religion.

You can make the argument that Hitler was Atheist or Non-religious at the time of writing my Kampf and on the day the first Jews were murdered. You can also present a link between Darwin's writings and Hitler's killing.

This, has got to end somewhere. I will draw up the rules once I get of from work, but you can go ahead and start gathering sources and writing your thesis.

I don't accept the terms of this debate.

 

[FreezBee]

They aren't laws of nature.

Proto-Nazis like Charles Darwin and Darwinists like Adolf Hitler thought they were.

I just got an idea for a new thread. Soon to come to a forum near you.


- FreezBee

 

[Biologist]

Absolutely. What are we debating?


I don't accept the terms of this debate.

I will draw up better terms later or you can draw them up now.

The theme will be Hitler and Evolution. Right now I'm at work so time is too limited for me to draw up good and fair terms.

Anyways, just an acceptance to debate with the theme Hitler and Evolution is all I want.

 

[Freysinn]

They aren't laws of nature.

Proto-Nazis like Charles Darwin and Darwinists like Adolf Hitler thought they were.

Charles Darwin, was not a nazi. You have absolutely no data to support that outragous claim! Have you no shame? Attacking a dead man with nothing to back it up is just sad. Showing your complete lack of evidence against evolution, a textbook example of godwins law and engaging in the ad hominem fallacy.

 

[Agonaces of Susa]

Charles Darwin, was not a nazi. You have absolutely no data to support that outragous claim! Have you no shame? Attacking a dead man with nothing to back it up is just sad. Showing your complete lack of evidence against evolution, a textbook example of godwins law and engaging in the ad hominem fallacy.

Charles Darwin was a racist and his cousin Francis Galton was even more racist. Those are facts not fallacies.

Anyway, the point is that the Nazi Party was a Darwinist Party.

"National Socialism is nothing but applied biology." -- Rudolph Hess, Deputy Führer, 1934

"National Socialism is applied biology." -- Hans Schemm, Nazi Education Minister and president of the Nazi Teacher's Association, 1935

"Darwin would be astounded at the progress we're going to make in one year as we move the human race forward." -- Reinhard Heydrich, Chief of Police, January 20th 1942

 

[Agonaces of Susa]

I will draw up better terms later or you can draw them up now.

The theme will be Hitler and Evolution. Right now I'm at work so time is too limited for me to draw up good and fair terms.

Anyways, just an acceptance to debate with the theme Hitler and Evolution is all I want.

Sure.

 

[Freysinn]

Charles Darwin was a racist and his cousin Francis Galton was even more racist. Those are facts not fallacies.

Sources?

Anyway, the point is that the Nazi Party was a Darwinist Party.

"National Socialism is nothing but applied biology." -- Rudolph Hess, Deputy Führer, 1934

"National Socialism is applied biology." -- Hans Schemm, Nazi Education Minister and president of the Nazi Teacher's Association, 1935

"Darwin would be astounded at the progress we're going to make in one year as we move the human race forward." -- Reinhard Heydrich, Chief of Police, January 20th 1942

Yet the founder of this "darwinist party" said:​

"The fox remains always a fox, the goose remains a goose, and the tiger will retain the character of a tiger." - Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf, vol. i, ch. xi


Anyway, i smell quote mining on your half, source?

 

[Agonaces of Susa]

Sources?

On the origin of species by means of ... - Google Books

Eugenics - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia