Creationist Forum?

[Dracil]

Including the Creationist one? You're arguing against a separate Creationist forum then.

 

[Micaiah]

I am a Christian who believes what God says about Creation, and who rejects any suggestion it is a fairy tale, legend, myth, or should be construed to mean anything other than what it was plainly intended. I see merit in the desire of like minded Christians to fellowship and discuss issues raised on Creation without having to deal with the equivocation that is a normal part of TE theology.

 

[Dracil]

Us TEs are also Christians who believe what God says about Creation, and who reject any suggestion to ignore God's actual Creation to be construed to mean anything other than what it plainly shows. I see no merit in the desire of like minded Christians to fellowship and discuss issues raised on Creationism while dissing TE and OEC beliefs unless the rest of us get our own forums to do the same.

There's been more times than I care to remember where we've had Creationists imply, or even explicitly state that those who are TEs couldn't possibly be "true Christians".

 

[artybloke]

There is one already. It's called "unorthodox theology."

 

[PotLuck]

The truth of God's word is bigger than any denomination.

Pontius Pilate asked, "What is truth?"
Truth was standing right there before him.

 

[Ave Maria]

I am a Creationist and I am most definitely for it! Praise God Erwin has decided to create a Creationist subforum! But where is it?

 

[Micaiah]

I was wondering myself.

 

[Dracil]

Erwin probably needs time to create it and setup whatever rules are necessary. Most likely it'll be up during the weekend?

 

[jazzbird]

Here's something that may come to happen (hopefully). I just thought it would be interesting for a vote on it:

If a creationists only forum was created would it be good and/or beneficial?

I myself believe it would. I am a YEC and especially lately I have been getting tired of people with other views intruding on conversations that are aimed directly at creationists. It's like we can't even have a civil conversation without it turning into a debate because someone else wants to throw their undesired two cents in.

Would a "creationist only forum" be open to those of us who believe in long days, or specifically YEC?

 

[Vance]

And what about those GAP theorists?

Or those who are vehemently opposed to evolution, but accept an old earth, like the "Reason to Believe" ministry?

Or those who accept evolution of creatures over a long time period, but who insist upon a Special Creation for humans?

 

[Ave Maria]

Would a "creationist only forum" be open to those of us who believe in long days, or specifically YEC?

I'm sure we'll find out once the forum is up and the rules are posted. Anyway, Erwin was asking if anyone wanted a Theistic Evolution forum too so he might make one of those as well.

 

[Vance]

OK, so here is what we will need so that there will not be any of this annoying disagreement and debate on these forums:

A Young Earth Creationist forum for those who hold to Usher's original 6,000 year old earth.

Another for those who would disagree with this, and accept that the earth is more like 13,000 years old.

We'll definitely need one for the GAP theorists, since they would take issue with some of the points made by the first group, and might "interrupt" their pure YEC discussion.

Same for the Day-Agers. These guys are just as vehemently opposed to evolution, but are worldly enough to accept the evidence for a ancient earth (Godless heathens!). We can't possibly allow them into the same forum as pure YEC's, who knows what would happen.

 

[jazzbird]

Same for the Day-Agers. These guys are just as vehemently opposed to evolution, but are worldly enough to accept the evidence for a ancient earth (Godless heathens!). We can't possibly allow them into the same forum as pure YEC's, who knows what would happen.

Ooh, I'm a Godless heathen! Who would've thought! Maybe I should replace "God's Child" with "Godless Heathen" just to mix it up a bit.

But seriously, I think that the problem here is that YECer's assume that they alone are creationists. By asking for a creation only forum, what you mean to ask for is a YE forum, and those are two completely separate things.

 

[PotLuck]

How does one solve the problem of conflict in every other thread? A YEC finds something in the bible that's a "Wow!" for them, posts to share it and it gets torpedoed. Or a TE finds something interesting in the bible, posts it, and it's sunk before it even gets out of the harbor.

There's division here. And neither can be swayed one way or another. I just wonder what it looks like for those new in the Word and coming here seeing all this. Anything has to better than the way it is now. Keep doing the same thing over and over and the results are always going to be the same. At least with an attempt to try something new there's a chance some good can come of it. On the other hand there's a chance something not so good can come of it. But all in all doing nothing means there's no chance at all for anything to change.

 

[PotLuck]

Oh. And by the way.
It's entirely possible there are other options besides another forum. All I'm saying is there's a change needed. What that change should be I for one can not say. But with thought in genuine cooperation there's a better chance a wiser option can be found. More heads are better than one as it's said.

The two will not accept the other's points of view. That's a given. Paul found division and addressed it beginning at Gal 1:6. How was that recieved by those that the epistle was written for? Off the top of my head I don't know or whether there was any change. Would make a good study but for now I don't have a clue what happened after that.

 

[Vance]

Ah, but Potluck, you would be surprised how many YEC's have converted to TE, or at least OEC, just because of these forums. I have seen many in all my time here. Someone even once took a survey on both the Christian and "open" forum and there were many who acknowledged that they had abandoned YEC'ism. Not one, of course, said that they had become YEC after following the discussion on the boards.

And, because of my belief regarding the inherent dangers of YEC teaching, I praise God for every one.

 

[PotLuck]

Ah, but Potluck, you would be surprised how many YEC's have converted to TE, or at least OEC, just because of these forums.

Not all will. So conflict will remain.

 

[Vance]

Of course conflict will remain. I guess you see conflict as inherently a bad thing. I see it as an essential part of the discourse and search for truth. Think of all the conflict in the early Church. Should Paul have given in to the more conservative Judiazers in Jerusalem and allowed them to insist that all the Gentile Christians be circumcised? Should the early Fathers have avoided the conflict raised by the various forms of Christianity around at the time? Should Luther not have posted his Theses on the door? Some battles, even within the Church, are worth fighting. The problem arises when it is not done with a Christian spirit.

 

[PotLuck]

Can't say. I'm not Paul nor did I live back then. And you could very well be right. dunno.
<shrugs>

 

[herev]

But seriously, I think that the problem here is that YECer's assume that they alone are creationists. By asking for a creation only forum, what you mean to ask for is a YE forum, and those are two completely separate things.

a problem with YEC thought? surely you jest?