Creationist Arguments Against ERV's

[Loudmouth]

I would appear, you claim to be able to speak for the vast majority of Christians.

I have found that a majority of Christians have this same ability, yet contradict each other. Strange that.

 

[Aman777]

I have found that a majority of Christians have this same ability, yet contradict each other. Strange that.

It's because Christians believe by Faith that God's Holy Word is True. Science force teaches our children that God's account is in error, since they wish the children to only be involved with this world and not in the Myth of Genesis since it's not to be trusted, they teach.

After 50 years of brainwashing this Evol Lie to our children, it's time for some of us to stand and Refute the False Theory of Evolution since God shows it to be an incomplete untrue Fantasy of godless men who have rejected His Truth. Amen?

 

[asherahSamaria]

It's because Christians believe by Faith that God's Holy Word is True. Science force teaches our children that God's account is in error, since they wish the children to only be involved with this world and not in the Myth of Genesis since it's not to be trusted, they teach.

After 50 years of brainwashing this Evol Lie to our children, it's time for some of us to stand and Refute the False Theory of Evolution since God shows it to be an incomplete untrue Fantasy of godless men who have rejected His Truth. Amen?

I hope you don't avail of anything as "Evol lie" as flu vaccines. You know - a progress that mankind has done because of an understanding of evolution.

 

[Aman777]

I hope you don't avail of anything as "Evol lie" as flu vaccines. You know - a progress that mankind has done because of an understanding of evolution.

I have NO problem with evolution or the changes in the allele frequency in a population over time. I get a flu shot every year. My problem is with the False Teaching of Evolution which claims that Humans evolved from the common ancestor of Apes. That is the biggest Lie ever told in the History of Human civilization since Humans were made Billions of years BEFORE any other living creature. Amen?

 

[asherahSamaria]

The theory of evolution is well past debate - it's one of the best supported scientific facts there is. You're entirely at liberty to call it all the names of the day - but that won't change the facts.

"That is the biggest Lie ever told in the History of Human civilization since Humans were made Billions of years BEFORE any other living creature"

On reflection, and going by some previous comments - see above - I don't think I'll respond to any more of your posts as you seem to have quite a tenuous grasp of reality

 

[joshua 1 9]

ERVs in the Human population are NOT measured individually but ONLY in populations over time. Slowly changing the DNA and ERVs of Humans over the past 10k years has confused geneticists into thinking that the change is "natural". That's because Science has REJECTED God's Word which tells us exactly HOW and WHEN prehistoric people INHERITED Adam's Human intelligence through SEX (Gen 6:4) instead of magical mysterious never to be repeated again False Theory of Evolution. Amen?

The Bible says 144000 Hebrews will be pure and undefined.

 

[joshua 1 9]

It is a theory that you are floating here. If you aren't going to defend it, then we can move on.

Besides, it seems kind of silly anyway. Could you imagine a defense lawyer using this "'theory"? "Members of the jury, you must find my client not guilty because it is obvious to everyone that Satan planted his fingerprints and DNA at the crime scene".



They can be used as a marker because of where they come from. It is the random nature of retroviral insertion that makes them viable genetic markers for common ancestry.



Beliefs are fine for church, but they are completely irrelevant in science.

I believe that mutations are the work of Satan. I think science does not know enough about ervs to pass judgement on them yet. The jury is still out on this one.

 

[bhsmte]

I believe that mutations are the work of Satan. I think science does not know enough about ervs to pass judgement on them yet. The jury is still out on this one.

The jury may be out for you personally.

 

[florida2]

I believe that mutations are the work of Satan. I think science does not know enough about ervs to pass judgement on them yet. The jury is still out on this one.

You may want to think about that. Let's just be clear - mutation just means when DNA gets changed. Mutations and ERVs are two different things.

There are mutations to your DNA going on in your body every second of your life. Whenever cells divide (and you have millions of them doing every second) they have to make a copy of their DNA. Sometimes, that process produces errors which we call mutations ie. changes to the DNA. To suggest that this entirely natural process is Satanic is nonsensical.

The DNA that your parents passed onto you contained about 60 mutations. These are part of the reason why siblings aren't all completely alike as they will have 60 different mutations and why in some cases children can look very similar to their parents and siblings and sometimes not so similar. This process of mutation is essential to evolution and the survival of species. Without mutations, populations would be much more vulnerable to extinction by disease (though of course that can still happen). Mutations are an intrinsic part of all life on Earth and so cannot be Satanic.

 

[Goonie]

I believe that mutations are the work of Satan. I think science does not know enough about ervs to pass judgement on them yet. The jury is still out on this one.

Really? Sorry but but I thought god was the one in charge, not Satan! In the Christian scheme of things, mutations should be the work of God if he was omnipotent. Unless one places Satan in the same ballpark.

 

[joshua 1 9]

Really? Sorry but but I thought god was the one in charge, not Satan! In the Christian scheme of things, mutations should be the work of God if he was omnipotent. Unless one places Satan in the same ballpark.

We live in a fallen world and all of creation groans as it waits for its redemption and restoration.

Satan and one third of the angels were thrown down from Heaven. There was actually a battle between Michael and Satan. Two thirds of mankind will perish and one third will be saved. The earth will be repopulate and replenished.

Satan wanted the place of God. He wanted to be worshiped
Now he wants to control the Earth or destroy what he can not control.

 

[Aman777]

The Bible says 144000 Hebrews will be pure and undefined.

Amen.

 

[Aman777]

You may want to think about that. Let's just be clear - mutation just means when DNA gets changed. Mutations and ERVs are two different things.

There are mutations to your DNA going on in your body every second of your life. Whenever cells divide (and you have millions of them doing every second) they have to make a copy of their DNA. Sometimes, that process produces errors which we call mutations ie. changes to the DNA. To suggest that this entirely natural process is Satanic is nonsensical.

The DNA that your parents passed onto you contained about 60 mutations. These are part of the reason why siblings aren't all completely alike as they will have 60 different mutations and why in some cases children can look very similar to their parents and siblings and sometimes not so similar. This process of mutation is essential to evolution and the survival of species. Without mutations, populations would be much more vulnerable to extinction by disease (though of course that can still happen). Mutations are an intrinsic part of all life on Earth and so cannot be Satanic.

False, since Humans were made perfect and Adam lived from Day 3 until some 15k years ago meaning that he lived for more than 13 Billion years. Mutations are of this world and Satan is the god of this world. 2Co 4:4 He is the father of everything evil.

 

[Aman777]

The theory of evolution is well past debate - it's one of the best supported scientific facts there is. You're entirely at liberty to call it all the names of the day - but that won't change the facts.

"That is the biggest Lie ever told in the History of Human civilization since Humans were made Billions of years BEFORE any other living creature"

On reflection, and going by some previous comments - see above - I don't think I'll respond to any more of your posts as you seem to have quite a tenuous grasp of reality

Adam was made after his Earth was made but BEFORE the plants, herbs and trees of the first Earth. Gen 2:4-7 This was BEFORE the Big Bang of our Cosmos. Adam was made in a perfect body like that of Jesus and lived from some 13.8 Billion years ago until some 15k years ago. Can I help it if you don't know what Day it is to God? Amen?

 

[Goonie]

We live in a fallen world and all of creation groans as it waits for its redemption and restoration.

Satan and one third of the angels were thrown down from Heaven. There was actually a battle between Michael and Satan. Two thirds of mankind will perish and one third will be saved. The earth will be repopulate and replenished.

Satan wanted the place of God. He wanted to be worshiped
Now he wants to control the Earth or destroy what he can not control.

Erm, God is supposed to be omnipotent, if so this is just nonsense one click of the fingers! Which is why general apologetics is not allowed because it just gets absurd. Sorry but we are getting into the realm of make believe, I am trying not to insult, but please the religous have belived that satan has been corrupting humanity for more than 1500 years, sorry but this does not support thwe idea of an omnipotent, omnipresent loving god.

If you had not guessed I have a had a few after a good night at the Edinburgh Fringe, good night good luck

 

[florida2]

False, since Humans were made perfect and Adam lived from Day 3 until some 15k years ago meaning that he lived for more than 13 Billion years. Mutations are of this world and Satan is the god of this world. 2Co 4:4 He is the father of everything evil.

Mutations aren't evil at all. They are a necessary part of a species survival and they are entirely natural and happen in your body all the time and every time reproduction occurs. Mutation doesn't mean imperfection, it just means when the DNA is changed. If you still think mutations are evil, that means that either you believe God created something evil, or you credit Satan with an incredible amount of power being able to changed the biochemistry of all life on Earth - a change which actually helps life!

 

[joshua 1 9]

Of course, I find the psychology of the creationist mind to be quite interesting.

It is not the creationists that base their whole theory on mutations and virus. We know God does not create mutations and virus so this has to be evidence for the fallen condition of Creation. Not evidence for Creation itself. So the bottom line is that Evolutionary theory has more holes in it that swiss cheeze and it is the evolutionists themselves poking the holes in their own theory. In this regard the Christians and Creationists just sit on the sideline, eat their popcorn and watch the show that the Evolutionists are putting on.

 

[joshua 1 9]

Erm, God is supposed to be omnipotent

Can you give me the origional Hebrew word for "omnipotent" or perhaps a verse so I can know what your talking about.

 

[joshua 1 9]

Mutations aren't evil at all. They are a necessary part of a species survival and they are entirely natural and happen in your body all the time and every time reproduction occurs. Mutation doesn't mean imperfection, it just means when the DNA is changed. If you still think mutations are evil, that means that either you believe God created something evil, or you credit Satan with an incredible amount of power being able to changed the biochemistry of all life on Earth - a change which actually helps life!

So we are on the same page, could you tell me what chapter you are referring to in the Biology book so I can look it up and see what your talking about. I do not want a random reference on the internet, I want something that has found it's way into the text books. Right now I need to see what your talking about that mutations are the driving force behind evolution. From what I understand the retro virus are just markers and now shown to be a cause of evolution.

 

[joshua 1 9]

Erm, God is supposed to be omnipotent, if so this is just nonsense one click of the fingers! Which is why general apologetics is not allowed because it just gets absurd. Sorry but we are getting into the realm of make believe, I am trying not to insult, but please the religous have belived that satan has been corrupting humanity for more than 1500 years, sorry but this does not support thwe idea of an omnipotent, omnipresent loving god.

We are not talking about apologetics, we are talking about why the theory of evolution has a lot of nonsense in it.