Creationism Curiosity

[Hespera]

What was that for? The 'b' is right besides the 'n', so are you really making a comment over me hitting a wrong button?



The weird thin is that this seems to only apply to the theories hold by the right.
Global warming is a perfectly fine theory without evidence.



The church is a private organization, science is not supposed to be one-sided.
Religion is an ambiguous term. I don't see a reason to exclude certain explanations from "science", if there are such reasons, please name them.



I hope so. But it rather seems like a political ideology has hijacked "science" to represent it's interest.



On your example of Beijing, China is a totalitarian communist state (=atheists). Are you really saying they wouldn't suppress creationism? So what's left is the western world. And it is liberal enough to keep down any opposition. I don't think the old "if it were true, we'd be hearing about it" works.[/quot


My "Christiabity" is like your "weird thin". Typo only!

I am not a global warmist. There is a LOT of data from all sorts of sources, and it seems to me that a lot of people say Lo here! and lo there! often for ideological reasons. In a few years maybe it will all sort out. Its a very very complex matter, not at all easy to sort out. I mostly ignore it.


Religion is welcome in science if it can bring data with it. So is basketball.
Otherwise, stay out. Science is data driven, not by revelations, not by unsupportable theories. To me that is just incredibly simple. The have no place at the table because they have nothing to offer.

Sometimes people with an ideology hijack some aspect of religion, or science to further their agenda Of course! Global warmists like Algore, for one.

Science is a world wide endeavor.

Here is why your chinese commie or yale pinko theory of suppression wont work.

You do know, i guess, that the 99.9% of what is done in science is tedious meticulous gathering of data. Lets do geology. You get endless hours of field work; measurements, mapping, samples, on and on. Graduate students for the grunt work.

Lets say that what comes out is some mapping of a given area. This kind of limestone and marl, that kind of sandstone, this sort of shale. This thick, that size grit. Etc. No grand conclusions. Just a piece of the frame.

If that was a piece of the frame that together with similar work in Africa, S America etc all came together to show that there was in fact a global flood, no govt, no university, no ideology could control that. Whoever first saw it would be leaping about with visions of his Nobel, and rightly so.

Here is another piece of the frame. People go into research for one main reason. They sincerely want to know things! Not to suppress Christianity, not to uphold Mao, but because they are curious people who want to know.

Really, your idea that the western world is liberal enough to suppress opposition is just a fantasy! Its conspiracy theory stuff that could not work and has no evidence to back it.

If I were the one who put it togehter that there had been a global flood i would be astonished, but, there are lots of surprizes in reserach! Otherwise, it would mean there was nothing left to learn. And believe you me, if I did find that evidence "they" would have to kill me to keep me f rom telling the world. Then its up to the worldwide science community to see if my work is good or not. No yalie or commie could stop it, even if they wanted to.


Anyhow......

What are we down to, a difference of opinion about whether valid ID work is being susppressed by leftist Univ types?

You didnt btw identify the ID reserachers you mentioned. I dont think they exist as legit reserachers.

 

[Dojima]

What are we down to, a difference of opinion about whether valid ID work is being susppressed by leftist Univ types?

Yes, I think a lot is suppressed by leftist academics/media/education system, but I concede to having no evidence or real substantive argument.

 

[Hespera]

Yes, I think a lot is suppressed by leftist academics/media/education system, but I concede to having no evidence or real substantive argument.

I dont think there is anything to hide or any reason to try to hide it. But, I wouldnt worry about it too much. If there is truth in ID / creationism there is no way that some liberals would be able to hide the data and deny the conclusions forever.

 

[Dojima]

I dont think there is anything to hide or any reason to try to hide it. But, I wouldnt worry about it too much. If there is truth in ID / creationism there is no way that some liberals would be able to hide the data and deny the conclusions forever.

The creationism/evolution inquiry is mostly a philosophical question with little real life implications.
What about other topics that might be suppressed in the liberal education/scientific establishment? Kids are being trained to be socialists.

 

[SiderealExalt]

The creationism/evolution inquiry is mostly a philosophical question with little real life implications.
What about other topics that might be suppressed in the liberal education/scientific establishment? Kids are being trained to be socialists.

It's barely that. The Evolution vs Creationism stuff is really just a fabrication of creationists. No science supports it, it's not a science, it's not a hypothesis. There is no evolution vs creationism. There's evolutionary theory and lots of creationists trying to mash together religion and science fiction and scientific sounding jargon to try to sneak it into our education system.

In that aspect, it has real life implications if you care at all about the state of national education.

 

[Dojima]

It's barely that. The Evolution vs Creationism stuff is really just a fabrication of creationists. No science supports it, it's not a science, it's not a hypothesis. There is no evolution vs creationism. There's evolutionary theory and lots of creationists trying to mash together religion and science fiction and scientific sounding jargon to try to sneak it into our education system.

How about this: The Evolution vs Creationism stuff is really just a fabrication of atheists. The evolutionary theory is only a theory. And lots of atheists are trying to expel theories they don't like from science with false pretenses to sneak it into our education system.

 

[Wiccan_Child]

Yes, I think a lot is suppressed by leftist academics/media/education system, but I concede to having no evidence or real substantive argument.

Well, at least you acknowledge your argument is as baseless as Mother Goose.

 

[SiderealExalt]

How about this: The Evolution vs Creationism stuff is really just a fabrication of atheists

Most atheists don't care, atheists scientists already know the answer, so have nothing to push except kids should get an education. Creationists are the entire driving force behind it. So......

The evolutionary theory is only a theory.

Common layman mistake on your part. A scientific theory is not a hypothesis, the term you seem to be mistaking here. It's a common mistake so don't feel too bad you made it.

And lots of atheists are trying to expel theories they don't like from science with false pretenses to sneak it into our education system.

Try naming one.

 

[lostaquarium]

Common layman mistake on your part. A scientific theory is not a hypothesis, the term you seem to be mistaking here. It's a common mistake so don't feel too bad you made it.

What's the difference between a theory and a hypothesis? The terms seem interchangeable in all the scientific papers I've read.

 

[Wiccan_Child]

What's the difference between a theory and a hypothesis? The terms seem interchangeable in all the scientific papers I've read.

Read more carefully. A theory is a hypothesis that has been supported by the evidence, passed falsification tests, etc. The panspermia hypothesis is just that: a hypothesis. Until evidence crops up or tests are devised, it will never be promoted to a theory.

Theories are the highest level of confidence we can have in science: no matter how much evidence an idea or explanation has, no matter how sure we are of it, it will never be proven. It will always remain as 'just' a theory.

The existence of atoms is a theory, after all.

 

[sciencerules]

To say that evolution is "just a theory" is like saying that gravity is "just a theory" (which is technically true). Evolution is backed by TONS of evidence!
To me, a conspiracy theory that the liberals and scientists are trying to supress creationism and religion seems slightly ridiculous- first of all, what possible motive could they have for wanting to do this?
Scientists crave the truth: if it seemed apparent to them that creationism was the truth, if it was, like evolution, backed by insurmountable evidence, they would speak up!
Also, if for some unknown reason they were trying to keep the truth hidden, they surely couldn't keep it up for long!

 

[Hespera]

To say that evolution is "just a theory" is like saying that gravity is "just a theory" (which is technically true). Evolution is backed by TONS of evidence!
To me, a conspiracy theory that the liberals and scientists are trying to supress creationism and religion seems slightly ridiculous- first of all, what possible motive could they have for wanting to do this?
Scientists crave the truth: if it seemed apparent to them that creationism was the truth, if it was, like evolution, backed by insurmountable evidence, they would speak up!
Also, if for some unknown reason they were trying to keep the truth hidden, they surely couldn't keep it up for long!

The scientist conspiracy to suppress creationism goes way beyond the slightly ridiculous.

It starts with the self inflated importance of the theocreos. Its kind of like a third party candidate with 1% of the vote demanding to be taken seriously.

Then there is the fact that a goodly number of scientists around the world are not even aware that there IS a christian sect that thinks evolution is a fake, that it was all done in 6 days.

And couldnt cate less if there is or not.

Yet they are part of a conspiracy?


Then there is the need to rope in the astronomers, astrophysicists, all sorts of other physicists, geologists, biologists of all sorts,etc and so on, make sure that they suppress their own research if it has not gone thru central screening to make sure that nothing slips thru! Some little detail that proves its all a hoax could seep thru in a million places!

I wonder where this screening center is?

Imagine the disappointment of some researcher, spent years on a project but it is suppressed coz it conflicted with evo!

What if he tried to publish it anyway.... do the Illuminati get him?

I've heard some ridiculous theories but the one about suppressing the creos ranks with the dumbest.

 

[AV1611VET]

Howonerth did I miss this thread?

I need to get out more.

I would be interested in hearing how ID or creationism meets these criteria and thus should be considered scientific, as many claim.

So would I, in light of the fact that the Creation Week does not fall under the aegis of science.

p.s. (ETA: Nevermind --- I see I have two other posts in this thread.

Phew --- thought I was losing my mind.)