Creationism and evolution.

[justlookinla]

Experimental falsification in science dates back to Galileo. Given that Galileo is considered the father of modern scientific thought, the concept of falsifiability in science is as old as the concept of science itself.

If you look at the history of the philosophy of science, modern conception of falsifiability was born in the mid 18th century by British and German philosophers, then abandoned for idealism. It was picked up in again in the mid 19th century through early 20th century by various empiricists, developed most rigorously by Karl Popper through the late 1930s, somewhat re-developed again by Thomas Khun in the early 1960s and then batted back and forth over the rest of the 1960s and much of the 1970s.

History always makes for interesting reading, doesn't it.

That is interesting.

 

[justlookinla]

Do you read your sources closely?

From the wiki link:

"The term Darwinism is often used in the United States by promoters of creationism, notably by leading members of the intelligent design movement, as an epithet to attack evolution as though it were an ideology (an "ism") of philosophical naturalism, or atheism."

Like I said, a loaded term.

If you want to debate 19th century models of evolutionary thought, fine. But the world and the actual discussion has moved on, to the modern evolutionary synthesis, which includes areas Darwin could not even dream of when he proposed his explanations of the facts.

I disagree that it's a loaded term, it's a descriptive term of the basis of Darwinist evolution. The basic Darwinist view that humanity, as well as all life, is the result of only naturalistic mechanisms is still alive and well in whatever the latest neo-Darwinist guesses and suppositions are. Certain parts of Dawinism may change, but the foundation stays the same

 

[AV1611VET]

If you want to debate 19th century models of evolutionary thought, fine. But the world and the actual discussion has moved on, to the modern evolutionary synthesis, which includes areas Darwin could not even dream of when he proposed his explanations of the facts.

What year was the term "Darwinism" obsoleted?

 

[Gene2memE]

Like a lot of things in evolution, it was a gradual transition from one thing to another. Asking that question is like asking when Latin became Spanish, or when day becomes night. Sure, you can draw boundaries, but they're arbitrary and artificial.

A condensed version of what was potentially a very long post:

Darwinism as a term has a rise and fall and then another rise and fall in scientific literature. It was a catch all term for evolutionary theory until the very late 1890s, when a number of alternative explanations were offered. So, the definition was narrowed in the debate against competing ideas. It fell out of use gradually through the first 30 years of the 20th century, but then experienced a resurrection, mostly due to the Mendelian revolution and the introduction of genetics which supported 'Darwinian' explanations of evolution, which lead to the development of the term neo-Darwinism.

However, pernicious ideologies like Social Darwinism - which had nothing to do with Darwin and were based on a debased version of an incorrect popular view of evolution - bastardised the term 'Darwinism'. In the mid to late 1940s it was retroactively applied to a basketful of distasteful views, which scientists correctly edged themselves away from.

By the late 1950s, neo-Darwinism was heavily, but not exclusively, associated with a lot of the work of Ronald Fisher - who probably did more than anyone else to put evolutionary theory on a rigorous statistical basis - and some of his students. It was mostly replaced by the term 'modern evolutionary synthesis' or just 'modern synthesis' in scientific literature by the early 1960s.

There are a few evolutionary biologists who'd still cal themselves 'Darwinists' - Richard Dawkins is one, Stephen J Gould was another - but you'd find very few 'Darwinists' among publishing scientists. Most of the usage is now outside the field of biology - a lot of use by social theorists, in literature reviews, and computer engineers. I got more hits for the term 'Darwinism' on arxive.org - a physics journal - than I did on Nature.

 

[Jan Volkes]

And yes, Darwinism and it's position on how humanity was created is inherently atheistic.....no God needed, wanted or allowed in the view.

You're right, there are also no Unicorns, Dragons, Demons, Winged horses or any other mythical entities.
Science is funny like that, science only takes into account those things that actually exist.

 

[PeterDona]

Why can creationists say any derogatory thing they like about evolution but no one is allowed to say anything derogatory about creationism?
Why does creationism require so much protection but evolution require none?
Surely if something is true it will still be true no matter what anyone says about it, evolution is the prime example of that.

It is not like that in Denmark. If you question anything about evolution and indicate that it is because you believe that God created the world, you will be ridiculed. I think the predictable effect of teaching evolution in the school system - uncontradicted, undisputed, authoritatively and so on.

 

[Jan Volkes]

It is not like that in Denmark. If you question anything about evolution and indicate that it is because you believe that God created the world, you will be ridiculed.

I know it's disgraceful, they are also not keen when adults say they believe in Santa Clause, they ridicule them as well.

BTW why would you want to believe something for which there is no evidence? is that what you normally do? just asking.

 

[AV1611VET]

It is not like that in Denmark. If you question anything about evolution and indicate that it is because you believe that God created the world, you will be ridiculed. I think the predictable effect of teaching evolution in the school system - uncontradicted, undisputed, authoritatively and so on.

We believe the Antichrist will come from Europe.

 

[Jan Volkes]

We believe the Antichrist will come from Europe.

We have had lots of antichrists so don't you think you should find your own.
Why can't he come from America? there are plenty of people there who are more than qualified.

That's two things you won't see AV1611VET, the rapture and the antichrist, I don't know how old you are but you might see a time when the US has more non believers than believers, I did say might because it might need a complete generation to die before that happens, it will most certainly happen though.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

It is a subjective observation. Also, you believe the Christian God did it because of your religious beliefs.

True. I believe that God designed/intended/purposed the kidneys to cleanse the blood.

 

[AV1611VET]

We have had lots of antichrists ...

Indeed we do.[VERSE=1 John 2:18,KJV]Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.[/VERSE]But I'm referring to THE Antichrist.

Why can't he come from America?

America isn't a restoration of the Old Roman Empire (that is, not from the ten toes of Nebuchadnezzar's dream).

 

[Goonie]

We believe the Antichrist will come from Europe.

This is a picture the trump campaign posted, but then withdrew. If you look carefully the soldiers pictured are dressed as members as the german SS. Maybe this is clue, vote Trump get the antichrist. Lol.
http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/jul/14/donald-trump-nazi-soldiers-tweet-top-republican-polls

 

[justlookinla]

And yes, Darwinism and it's position on how humanity was created is inherently atheistic.....no God needed, wanted or allowed in the view.

You're right, there are also no Unicorns, Dragons, Demons, Winged horses or any other mythical entities.
Science is funny like that, science only takes into account those things that actually exist.

Darwinism only exists in the atheistic faith-based world of pseudo-science.

 

[bhsmte]

We believe the Antichrist will come from Europe.

Why? And who is we?

 

[AV1611VET]

Why?

QV please: Will the Antichrist come out of the European Union?

 

[justlookinla]

QV please: Will the Antichrist come out of the European Union?

Well....this is way off topic...but....the European Union (I remember back in the day when it was the Common Market, how things change) isn't the revived Roman empire.

 

[Oncedeceived]

We have had lots of antichrists so don't you think you should find your own.
Why can't he come from America? there are plenty of people there who are more than qualified.

That's two things you won't see AV1611VET, the rapture and the antichrist, I don't know how old you are but you might see a time when the US has more non believers than believers, I did say might because it might need a complete generation to die before that happens, it will most certainly happen though.

In fact, you are correct.
The Bible predicts that occurring. There will be a falling away. There will be a rapture and the antichrist will arise.

 

[Ben West]

In fact, you are correct.
The Bible predicts that occurring. There will be a falling away. There will be a rapture and the antichrist will arise.

Amen and the origin of the falling away could be the dumbing down of little children for the past 50+ years by teaching them they are nothing but evolved animals. Those who have offended these children, as the loss of their Faith seems to indicate, will face the harshest of punishments according to Jesus. Mar 9:42

 

[Loudmouth]

In fact, you are correct.
The Bible predicts that occurring. There will be a falling away. There will be a rapture and the antichrist will arise.

How many times has the rapture been just around the corner?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Predictions_and_claims_for_the_Second_Coming_of_Christ

Those predictions have been pretty much non-stop for 1,500 years.

 

[Ben West]

How many times has the rapture been just around the corner?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Predictions_and_claims_for_the_Second_Coming_of_Christ

Those predictions have been pretty much non-stop for 1,500 years.

Since we are still in the 6th Day/Age of the Creation AND the Rapture is TODAY, I would say it's just around the corner, whether one is taken to the Judgment or Raptured to be with Jesus for Eternity. Either way, all Humans are just one heartbeat away. For 152,000 Humans, today is Literally their last day on this Earth. Amen?