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Arikay said:
If you mean the .pdf file, its an acrobat file, you need adobe acrobat reader to view it, I believe it can be downloaded for free at some place like www.download.com

Or for a less pretty version you can steal googles convert to HTML option and get,
http://216.239.39.104/search?q=cach...the+extreme+to+the+mainstream"&hl=en&ie=UTF-8

in HTML format. :)
Thanks! I am on my home computer and have my laptop in for repair-I spilled a coke on the keyboard several months back during a late study session and it had been acting quirky ever since (go figure ;)). Yes, I do need acrobat on here-thanks! :) Computers are not my specialty-for sure!! Thanks, I will check out your HTML link and use the other to download the software
 
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Josh1 said:
This is weird, ask for an argument and get a bunch of laughable clowns (oops was that an insult).

What did you expect? We take our clowning very seriously. What good are non-laughable clowns?
Philosoft, you can go ahead and call me a liar but please feel free to contact Ken Ham (for he is one that I talked to) and ask him. I have went to many of his seminars and conversed with him multiple times.

What did he say about Hovind? As specific as you can be, please.
So you my friend (metaphorically speaking of course) are the one that is lying.

No, if I was lying, I would have said, "Josh1 has a clue."
Everyone of you evos canhave the last word, LOL.
Don't let the portal closure strike your gluteus maximus upon egress.
 
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ThePhoenix said:
Get that all the time. Honestly? Nope. I'm in college right now, I socialize just fine. Not the most social person here, not the least. The "social" aspect is something most homeschoolers get, since research shows that the average homeschooler participates in 4-5 activities (I could dig up the statistics, if you want). They gave a video of homeschooled children playing to psychologists along with videos of "normal" children, and the psychologists could not identify the difference. Most tests show that the only difference is homeschoolers have less behavioral issues.
Heh, you know what? I didn't even consider possible participation in activities (just didn't cross my mind), which, at least in my mind would help with socialization (probably a lot better then HS, but I digress).

Thanks :)
 
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LorentzHA said:
OK a quick look at page 11 about acedemic performance with respect to the SAT said they were "above average"- but not better by any mean than non homeschoolers.
Perhaps there needs to be some clarification. Private schools do above average on SATs. Homeschoolers do above average on SATs. Guess who that average is? Hint: everyone can't be above average. Public high schools as a whole cannot BY DEFINITION be above the median. They are the median.
 
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LorentzHA said:
Not mocking you Phoenix:). And what do you mean by "higher"? As compared to what? There are FAR fewer homeschoolers than mainstream high-schoolers so what group of mainstream schoolers is used to ascertain that they score "higher" than? Curious about that.
Higher then high school students.
 
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ThePhoenix said:
Higher then high school students.
But the statement you make would imply higher than all HS students. That is simply not true. I am sure there are many, many high school students than score better than homeschoolers, since there are far less homeschoolers. See, when you say "higher than high school students", it means they scored better than all high school students, which simply is not true.

If you make statements like that, you would have to say which students and which highschool. SO if we can find a group of HS students that has scored higher than homeschoolers should we say that, "they score higher than homeschoolers"? No, we should not, that would not be correct.
 
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ThePhoenix said:
Perhaps there needs to be some clarification. Private schools do above average on SATs. Homeschoolers do above average on SATs. Guess who that average is? Hint: everyone can't be above average. Public high schools as a whole cannot BY DEFINITION be above the median. They are the median.
"The median is the middle of a distribution: half the scores are above the median and half are below the median."

"100, 100, 99, 98, 92, 91, 91, 90, 88, 87, 87, 85, 85, 85, 80, 79, 76, 72, 67, 66, 45 The middle score of this group is 87. Exactly half of the scores lie above 87 and half lie below it. Thus, 87 is in the middle of this set of scores. This score is known as the median."

This is BY DEFINITION. So according to your statement "public schools are the median"?? So public schools would represent the median and homeschoolers are above the 87? Who is below?? BY DEFINITION half the scores fall above the median and half below. There are not enough homeschooler to make up 1/2 of all SAT scores! See my point??? So most of the kids above the median are public schoolers.

They do not mean ALL home schooler are above the 87 (I am using this as an example and an quite aware that this is not how The SAT is scored) So you do not think that out of a chunk of America's public school students, we could find a group that scored higher than homeschoolers? I do, since there are so many more public schoolers. There are some HUGE (1,500 per grade) public schools here in Dallas, especially in the affluent suburbs that the students score exceptionally high. I do agree that America's innrer city public schools, typically do not score well but that does not mean that homeschoolers score higher than public schoolers, you cannot make statements like that since there are so many more public schoolers-it only means they score above the middle line. :)
 
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Arikay :

Hopefully Josh proves me wrong, but I get the feeling he wont be back, at least for awhile.



I don't know where you got that feeling. I gave everybody the last word on that subject so I will not reply in that aspect.


The reason why I use bold is because I like the looks, lol. I am not holloring, screaming, or having a hissy fit. I have always responded in that matter. I'm sure everybody has their weird things and I am definately not extinct from that personality. I thank everybody for their input even though I don't agree, we will agree to disagree. Their is no written rule that everybody has to agree with me and thank God that their isn't.



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So, did you even bother to look at my thread?

Josh1 said:
Arikay :

Hopefully Josh proves me wrong, but I get the feeling he wont be back, at least for awhile.



I don't know where you got that feeling. I gave everybody the last word on that subject so I will not reply in that aspect.


The reason why I use bold is because I like the looks, lol. I am not holloring, screaming, or having a hissy fit. I have always responded in that matter. I'm sure everybody has their weird things and I am definately not extinct from that personality. I thank everybody for their input even though I don't agree, we will agree to disagree. Their is no written rule that everybody has to agree with me and thank God that their isn't.



Josh
 
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Josh1 said:
I am sorry I didn't see it. I am reading it right now. I am glad you notified me.


Josh
You have been notified of it several times in this thread by several different users including my post #88 that contains pertinent information as well as a direct link to that thread. This is beginning to demonstrate your refusal to read others' posts and explains why you think no one has presented you with reasons why Hovind's arguments are wrong and why Hovind's credibility is limited--you simply don't read other posts. Perhaps taking a more intellectually honest approach would be useful.
 
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