Creation: Six Days or not?

[GraceInHim]

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[JimfromOhio]

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I bet ya that came from a song LOL

 

[Lynn73]

unless you think your great-gr-gr-gr-gr-gr-grandmother was an ape....

Or as Kent Hovind would say....soup. Hey folks, gr gr gr gr gr gr gr gr gr grandma, according to evolutionists, was.....soup. Or....a rock.

 

[GraceInHim]

I bet ya that came from a song LOL

ya.. but I will re-word it..

I'm, I'm hooked on a feeling.
High on believing, Bible words are truth to me.

 

[JimfromOhio]

ya.. but I will re-word it..

I'm, I'm hooked on a feeling.
High on believing, Bible words are truth to me.

LOL I thought so

 

[Mikecpking]

I think some of you need to look at the evidence on the earth and in the skies to see how old God's creation is. This galaxy is around 100,000 light years accross, that means light from the other side of the galaxy to our position as taken more than 75,000 years to get here. Similarly, the nearest galaxy is about 2.2 million light years away. Now please don't patronise me with stating the speed of light has slowed down. That would mean one of the main fundamental laws of physics: E=MC squared would be in tatters and the net sesult of having a speed of light change thousands of times faster (if not millions as we can observe very distant objects at 13 billion light years away) would mean that nuclear reactions inside stars (including our own sun) would mean that we would be toast.
What the Genesis account is all about is simply:

God created the universe
Mankind is the pinnacle of creation
The importance of Sabbath and why it is holy
Why the the creation was made, not 'how'.

 

[NarrowPathPilgrim]

Or as Kent Hovind would say....soup. Hey folks, gr gr gr gr gr gr gr gr gr grandma, according to evolutionists, was.....soup. Or....a rock.

Yeah, LOL!
"Saying to a stock, Thou art my father; and to a stone, Thou hast brought me forth....ye all have transgressed against me, saith the LORD." - Jerimiah 2:27

Sincerely, Zach Doty

 

[jckstraw72]

I think some of you need to look at the evidence on the earth and in the skies to see how old God's creation is. This galaxy is around 100,000 light years accross, that means light from the other side of the galaxy to our position as taken more than 75,000 years to get here. Similarly, the nearest galaxy is about 2.2 million light years away.

God could have created those stars with their light reaching earth from the very beginning. nothing says it really took that long to reach here. The first thing God created was light, not stars.

 

[NarrowPathPilgrim]

I think some of you need to look at the evidence on the earth and in the skies to see how old God's creation is. This galaxy is around 100,000 light years accross, that means light from the other side of the galaxy to our position as taken more than 75,000 years to get here. Similarly, the nearest galaxy is about 2.2 million light years away. Now please don't patronise me with stating the speed of light has slowed down. That would mean one of the main fundamental laws of physics: E=MC squared would be in tatters and the net sesult of having a speed of light change thousands of times faster (if not millions as we can observe very distant objects at 13 billion light years away) would mean that nuclear reactions inside stars (including our own sun) would mean that we would be toast.

WRONG! That does not prove the earth is old.

1. The methods used to determine and measure those great distances have no accuracy after about 20 light years.
2. Light can change speeds.
3. Light can be created by God.

Watch that video...even science must admit that the earth can't be more than 6,000 years old.

Sincerely, Zach Doty

 

[Mikecpking]

God could have created those stars with their light reaching earth from the very beginning. nothing says it really took that long to reach here. The first thing God created was light, not stars.

To make the universe "look old" thereby deceiving people? I don't think so! God encourages us to look at his creation and study it.

Check out these scriptures:
PR 25:2
Ps 8:3
Eccl 1:13
1 Kings 4:33

Even Einstein believed in God.

 

[Mikecpking]

WRONG! That does not prove the earth is old.

1. The methods used to determine and measure those great distances have no accuracy after about 20 light years.
2. Light can change speeds.
3. Light can be created by God.

Watch that video...even science must admit that the earth can't be more than 6,000 years old.

Sincerely, Zach Doty

Hi Zach,
1: What evidence have you got for that? Are you an astrophysist?
2: By a magnitude of thousands? I think not! Have you got evidence?
3: Yes, I agree, but I don't think that's God's style to deceive by implication.

What video? I have done Geology at college level and plenty of field work. The earth is millions of years old and I believe God created it all..

 

[Mikecpking]

Zach,
http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CE/CE411.html

 

[Angel of God]

i think that science proves this earth is alot older than 11,000 yrs.

I think the science cannot prove it......
If the earth comes from a superficial solar explosion then it
was all lava therefore can be sufficient some 10 years...

 

[GraceInHim]

God is all powerful and can do anything which is beyond our understanding.. and Jesus was from the beginning.. "Let us create....." but I do take his words literal.. 6 days is 6 days.. and wonder how Jesus could of did what he did in 3 days???

 

[jckstraw72]

To make the universe "look old" thereby deceiving people? I don't think so! God encourages us to look at his creation and study it.

youre only deceived if you work with assumptions that make it seem so. i dont feel deceived at all.

Also, I dont see any difference btwn the deceit you are speaking of, and Scriptures that speak of a 6 day creation, but really mean some long period of time.

 

[OrthodoxyUSA]

What does a number of days matter from the viewpoint of Eternity?

Some scripture is literal and some are not, some have more than one meaning and some have more than just one viewpoint...

For instance, Parables that our Lord told....

Forgive me....

 

[jckstraw72]

What does a number of days matter from Eternity?

Forgive me....

it doesnt really all that much. i just dont like when people think periods instead of days must mean evolution.

although i still dont understand how 6 periods and a period of rest would make holy the Sabbath.

 

[jckstraw72]

and i know theres stuff about the 7th day being up to Jesus, and now were in the 8th day...but it also speaks of God having rested on the 7th day--past tense.

 

[NarrowPathPilgrim]

Hi Zach,
1: What evidence have you got for that? Are you an astrophysist?
2: By a magnitude of thousands? I think not! Have you got evidence?
3: Yes, I agree, but I don't think that's God's style to deceive by implication.

What video? I have done Geology at college level and plenty of field work. The earth is millions of years old and I believe God created it all..

1. To measure the distance between us and the stars they measure the angle between us and the star then re-measure it when we are on the other side of the sun (as a geocentrist I would say "when the sun is on the other side of us", but only relative positions make a difference so it doesn't matter.). The problem with this is that the distance between us and the sun is only a few light minutes but the angle they are trying to gauge is supposedly millions of light years. This would be like two surveyors who try to measure the distance on something hundreds of miles away with their transients one inch apart.
2. In this article light was slowed down to 38 miles an hour, and this was in 1999. I think I've read of people in the last few years who have slowed it down to 1 mph. So yes, it is possible to make a huge change it the speed. (Increases in speed are also possible, see this article)
3. "It is the glory of God to conceal a thing" Proverbs 25:2. Remember, he created light in Genesis 1:3 before he created the planets (i.e. sun, moon, stars).

The video I was talking about may be downloaded here (right-click and choose "Save Target/Link As" to download).

Sincerely, Zach Doty

 

[Lynn73]

it doesnt really all that much. i just dont like when people think periods instead of days must mean evolution.

although i still dont understand how 6 periods and a period of rest would make holy the Sabbath.

Because they're days, not periods. God says days with and evening and a morning and that's good enough for me. If each day was long eons instead of a real day how did the vegetation created in the third long eon survive until the sun was created in the fourth long eon? I doesn't even make sense that God would create something then wait millions of years to create the next thing and so on and so forth. Some of the things He made needed the other things to survive, they couldn't have waited eons. Why can't people just believe what God says? Sometimes a dog is just a dog, iow, take it for what it says literally if there's nothing there to indicate it's something else. There's nothing in Genesis to indicate symbolism, allegory, figure of speech, etc. It's simply God's account of creation.