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Creation: Six Days or not?

Did God create the Universe in six days?

  • Yes, I believe it.

  • No, though God could have done it I don't believe he did.


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God, being eternal and in Eternity can enter into time or place at any point he should wish... for as long as he wishes...... forward, backward and side to side....

Days to God and Days to us are not equal... Ask "The Church" for the proper meanings as to the understandings of Genesis.

Forgive me....
 
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tqpix said:
No.

God's definition of "day" is different from man's definition of "day".

Either way. God said He created in 6 days, we should not be disagreeing what God said and accept with Faith what He said.
 
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JimfromOhio said:
Either way. God said He created in 6 days, we should not be disagreeing what God said and accept with Faith what He said.

Hi Jim,
I believe the word of God is true, but dowe have to accept the Genesis account as literal or could it have some other interpretation?
 
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Mikecpking said:
Hi Jim,
I believe the word of God is true, but dowe have to accept the Genesis account as literal or could it have some other interpretation?
The question wasn't addressed to me, but if I may...?

"True" is not a synonym for "literal". Something can be figurative and still be true. So, no, we do not have to take Genesis 1-2 as "literal" in order for them to be true. Don't let the fundamentalists take you for a ride on this one. ;)

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Mikecpking said:
Hi Jim,
I believe the word of God is true, but dowe have to accept the Genesis account as literal or could it have some other interpretation?

While I believe in literal at the same time the Bible did mention that God's time is not the same as our time. All I do at this point is believe what He said whether it is literal or someone's interpration of God's time, God did it in 6 days now matter how you look at it. As God said:"For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways,' declares the LORD. 'As the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways and my thoughts than your thoughts.' " Isaiah 55:8-9
 
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Jesus said to his Disciples there were 12 hours in a day... hmmm kinda enforces the beginning in the Bible... rather take Jesus words..

oh and for those who say Peter said 1 day is like a thousand with the Lord.. I say.. Adam must of not lived 950 years but x those years by 1000.. doubt
 
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GraceInHim said:
Jesus said to his Disciples there were 12 hours in a day... hmmm kinda enforces the beginning in the Bible... rather take Jesus words..
No, it does not.

oh and for those who say Peter said 1 day is like a thousand with the Lord.. I say.. Adam must of not lived 950 years but x those years by 1000.. doubt
He also reversed it and said 1000 years is like is like a day, so perhaps Adam's 930 years was only (.93 x 24 hours) 22.3 hours???

Sorry, but this is very poor reasoning.

K
 
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KEPLER said:
No, it does not.


He also reversed it and said 1000 years is like is like a day, so perhaps Adam's 930 years was only (.93 x 24 hours) 22.3 hours???

Sorry, but this is very poor reasoning.

K

no it is very poor to teach something different, then what the Bible says.. the Bible is God's breathing words...

so are you saying Adam was what the Bible says, his age? Was he the first human?
 
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I am coming from a fundamentalist type non-denominational background to the Orthodox Church, so this whole days=periods thing has been hard for me to get a grasp on.

In Exodus, with the 10 Commandments, it says God created in 6 days and rested on the 7th to demonstrate and consecrate the Sabbath. It seems to me that periods would ruin that.

Also this:
Wisdom of Solomon 1:13 For God made not death: neither hath he pleasure in the destruction of the living.
Wisdom of Solomon 2:23 For God created man to be immortal, and made him to be an image of his own eternity. 2:24 Nevertheless through envy of the devil came death into the world: and they that do hold of his side do find it.

And doesnt the NT speak of events in Genesis as if thats how they happend?
Romans 5:12 Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:
also Romans 5:16, 19

and Romans 8:21 Because the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God. 22 For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now 23 And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body.

if death and destruction were a natural part of the world from the beginning then why is creation in pain? why will all of creation be redeemed if not all of creation is fallen?

Genesis 3:17 And unto Adam he said, Because thou hast hearkened unto the voice of thy wife, and hast eaten of the tree, of which I commanded thee, saying, Thou shalt not eat of it: cursed is the ground for thy sake; in sorrow shalt thou eat of it all the days of thy life;.....God curses the ground AFTER their sin bc of their sin.


Also, what about things like Genesis 3:15 being the first prophecy of hte Messiah being given to the world? In my catechesis class our priest gave us ancient examples from all over the world of people waiting for a savior, and he said that was bc the first prophecy was given to adam and eve (and the snake), and thus the whole world would be able to know it. So, if Genesis is an allegory, then did this prophecy ever really happen? And why would the whole world know a prophecy given to Adam and Eve, unless they were truly the first people on earth, who could pass on this knowledge?

also, what is meant by the evening and the day were the first day? Were there extended periods of darkness followed by extended periods of light. If there was death before sin, then how would plants have survived in complete darkness, and then how would animals have survived?
 
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GraceInHim said:
no it is very poor to teach something different, then what the Bible says.. the Bible is God's breathing words...
I agree. I didn't.

so are you saying Adam was what the Bible says, his age? Was he the first human?
Yes and yes.
 
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Hey Jack from Wichita...

Who are you asking?

jckstraw72 said:
I am coming from a fundamentalist type non-denominational background to the Orthodox Church, so this whole days=periods thing has been hard for me to get a grasp on.

In Exodus, with the 10 Commandments, it says God created in 6 days and rested on the 7th to demonstrate and consecrate the Sabbath. It seems to me that periods would ruin that.

Also this:
Wisdom of Solomon 1:13 For God made not death: neither hath he pleasure in the destruction of the living.
Wisdom of Solomon 2:23 For God created man to be immortal, and made him to be an image of his own eternity. 2:24 Nevertheless through envy of the devil came death into the world: and they that do hold of his side do find it.

And doesnt the NT speak of events in Genesis as if thats how they happend?
Romans 5:12 Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:
also Romans 5:16, 19

and Romans 8:21 Because the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God. 22 For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now 23 And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body.

if death and destruction were a natural part of the world from the beginning then why is creation in pain? why will all of creation be redeemed if not all of creation is fallen?

Genesis 3:17 And unto Adam he said, Because thou hast hearkened unto the voice of thy wife, and hast eaten of the tree, of which I commanded thee, saying, Thou shalt not eat of it: cursed is the ground for thy sake; in sorrow shalt thou eat of it all the days of thy life;.....God curses the ground AFTER their sin bc of their sin.
No prob with anything upto this point. But just to clarify, just becasue the NT affirms Genesis does not mean the NT affirms a "literal" interpretation of the Creation account. That's a logical fallacy that fundamentalists are prone to...

Also, what about things like Genesis 3:15 being the first prophecy of hte Messiah being given to the world? In my catechesis class our priest gave us ancient examples from all over the world of people waiting for a savior, and he said that was bc the first prophecy was given to adam and eve (and the snake), and thus the whole world would be able to know it. So, if Genesis is an allegory, then did this prophecy ever really happen? And why would the whole world know a prophecy given to Adam and Eve, unless they were truly the first people on earth, who could pass on this knowledge?
Not quite sure what you're getting at here, but I will say that no one here (that I have seen) has said Genesis is an "allegory". Far from it.

also, what is meant by the evening and the day were the first day? Were there extended periods of darkness followed by extended periods of light. If there was death before sin, then how would plants have survived in complete darkness, and then how would animals have survived?
Actually, these are good questions...but where does the creation account say that either plants or animals lived in darkness? (And FWIW, I for one do not contend that there was death before sin).

Kepler
 
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Orthodoxyusa said:
God, being eternal and in Eternity can enter into time or place at any point he should wish... for as long as he wishes...... forward, backward and side to side....

Days to God and Days to us are not equal... Ask "The Church" for the proper meanings as to the understandings of Genesis.

Forgive me....

C'mon, Max, you've teased us, now spit it out! ;) I, for one, am very curious what the EO view on thecreation account is...

Kepler
 
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Why Christians who are supposed to believe the Bible because, after all, it is God's word need to even ask this question or debate on it is beyond me. God was here, He ought to know. You either believe Him or you don't. So yes, I believe the Genesis account of creation. You can symbolize it and make the account mean whatever you want it to, but God actually means just what it says. As someone pointed out "and the evening and the morning were the first, second, third, etc. day means just what it says.
 
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HeartFullaLove said:
"And there was evening, and there was morning, the first day."
"And there was evening, and there was morning, the second day."
"And there was evening, and there was morning, the third day."
"And there was evening, and there was morning, the fourth day."
"And there was evening, and there was morning, the fifth day."
"And there was evening, and there was morning, the sixth day."
"On the seventh day, God rested."

Next question.

Exactly, it says evening and morning. If we aren't supposed to take that literally why should we take the rest of the Bible literally? :confused:

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Lynn73 said:
Why Christians who are supposed to believe the Bible because, after all, it is God's word need to even ask this question or debate on it is beyond me. God was here, He ought to know. You either believe Him or you don't. So yes, I believe the Genesis account of creation. You can symbolize it and make the account mean whatever you want it to, but God actually means just what it says. As someone pointed out "and the evening and the morning were the first, second, third, etc. day means just what it says.

Exactly: "just what it says".

And what it says cannot support a "literal 24 hour period" interpretation.

Thanks, Lynn, that settled it.

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HeartFullaLove said:
"And there was evening, and there was morning, the first day."
"And there was evening, and there was morning, the second day."
"And there was evening, and there was morning, the third day."
"And there was evening, and there was morning, the fourth day."
"And there was evening, and there was morning, the fifth day."
"And there was evening, and there was morning, the sixth day."
"On the seventh day, God rested."

Next question.
Yes, The scripture is extreemly clear on this issue! :amen::thumbsup:

karenmarie said:
i think that science proves this earth is alot older than 11,000 yrs.
WRONG!


  1. You are putting human reasoning above God's word. "He that trusteth in his own heart is a fool" Proverbs 28:26. Christians are commanded to "Trust in the LORD with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding." Proverbs 3:5.
  2. Science has actually proven very well that the earth is no more than 6,000 years old. I don't what to spend the rest of the week typing out all the evidence, but download this video and watch it, it will give you plenty of evidence. (Right-Click The Link And Click "Save Target/Link As" To Download).
Sincerely, Zach Doty

PS. Our job as Christians is to be salt, salt irritates! So please don’t be surprised if this thread gets quickly filled up with posts slandering Kent Hovind (The person who produced that video), there are already over 5,000 anti-Hovind websites! (A lot to be proud of ;))
 
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TheChessnut said:
Exactly, it says evening and morning. If we aren't supposed to take that literally why should we take the rest of the Bible literally? :confused:

~TheChessnut~

Because when Genesis 1 & 2 say "evening and morning" they cannot mean what we normally think of as "evening and morning"...

"Evening and morning" in Genesis 1 & 2 must mean something else.

Kepler
 
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