Creation, science, and the Nicene creed

[durangodawood]

Has anyone yet found where the Nicene creed says you have to believe the Bible generally - aside from the creed's very brief list of items?

 

[dad]

The very same. Of course; the story is foundational to the Christian faith. They do indeed, just like it says in the Creed, "Through Him all things were made."

Maybe they should explain more ad write a book about how it really happened and how Jesus was wrong to acknowledge the flood and a real first man etc. They could tell us how they think that the spirit of the Almighty invaded a mud puddle for a while and oversaw benevolently, the rise of life...etc. Should make good reading.

It's a close call whether the Episcopalians are even still Anglicans nor not. They have become just another wishywashy mainline Protestant denomination.

So the 'faithful' folks in those denominations who used to think the bile was wrong and that there really was no Adam, but man evolved from worms and animals and etc are losing the faith somewhat? Cool.

 

[dad]

Has anyone yet found where the Nicene creed says you have to believe the Bible generally - aside from the creed's very brief list of items?

Jesus is in the creed and He made that clear, and that is the way we even know about jesus or creation. To pretend that the Scripture Jesus came to fulfil is expendable is a vile thing.

 

[durangodawood]

Jesus is in the creed and He made that clear, and that is the way we even know about jesus or creation. To pretend that the Scripture Jesus came to fulfil is expendable is a vile thing.

I am saying that the Bible not in the creed. If some particular interpretation of the Bible is essential for being a Christian, then the creed is clearly incomplete.

So the creed does allow for Christians to view the Biblical creation story as mythical, along with the flood, etc... as many Christians do.

But clearly the creed says a Christian must view the divinity of Jesus as real.

 

[dad]

I am saying that the Bible not in the creed.

The creed is based on the bible, not the bible on some little creed.

If some particular interpretation of the Bible is essential for being a Christian, then the creed is clearly incomplete.

Of course it is incomplete. Yet some forums use it for people to agree to to be called a christian on that forum. Therefore the christians on that forum ought to agree.

So the creed does allow for Christians to view the Biblical creation story as mythical, along with the flood, etc... as many Christians do.

No. The creed is not what makes us a believer in Jesus the creator. Being a believer is what saves us. To believe in Him we should know He is the God of Abraham and Jacob, and that He gave us Scripture. Jesus made that clear. That God created the world and stars and sun and man etc. Any other god or entity called jesus did not.

But clearly the creed says a Christian must view the divinity of Jesus as real.

Part of Divinity is being divine. God revealed Himself to man through a people and a book. What is revealed there is that He really created stuff. Including man and woman. That means no evolution. Drop the bible and the creed and the pretenses, people, if you do not believe Jesus created.

 

[Speedwell]

The creed is based on the bible, not the bible on some little creed.

The Creed is based on Apostolic Tradition, not the Bible the way you interpret it.

 

[durangodawood]

The creed is based on the bible, not the bible on some little creed.

The creed specifies the parts of the Bible that you must believe literally in order to be considered a Christian by other Christians (according to the council that devised it).

Its silent on exactly how the rest of the Bible must be interpreted in order to be considered a Christian.

 

[dad]

Expendable? You really have an exalted opinion of yourself--if your interpretation of scripture is wrong then scripture is expendable?

No prophet or apostle or Jesus ever misunderstood that God actually created stuff. Pretending it is a matter of opinion is vile.

 

[dad]

The creed specifies the parts of the Bible that you must believe literally in order to be considered a Christian by other Christians (according to the council that devised it).

Its silent on exactly how the rest of the Bible must be interpreted in order to be considered a Christian.

Great, and the parts there include Jesus creating all things! Period.

 

[durangodawood]

Great, and the parts there include Jesus creating all things! Period.

Yes. And plenty of real Christians think that evolution was part of that, and consequently that certain aspects of Genesis need to be understood meaningfully rather than literally.

 

[Speedwell]

[staff edited]
Why not, if God is doing it?

 

[dad]

Yes. And plenty of real Christians think that evolution was part of that,

The thread is not an opinion poll for everyone that likes to wear a christian label for some reason.
The issue is whether the creed talks of Jesus creating, and whether popping out of some ape as a 'man' fits that bill or not.

 

[dad]

Why not, if God is doing it?

God formed Adam from dust, not from an ape womb. Besides, Jesus affirmed Scripture was true, so you may not dismiss it, toss it out, or molest it's text. No one ever assumed that Adam was ape spawn or pond scum before science came along. There is no sane or biblical reason to do so, and no possibility to do so without rejecting what Jesus said about Scripture, that it was true.

Now if you want to make a bible case for your absurd claims, I double dare you to.

 

[durangodawood]

"Now my question is to Christians and mods who are Christians and mods in training, etc. How can you preach evolution here and claim you are following this little creed?"

I think you summed it up the purpose of the thread nicely.

 

[durangodawood]

Same old Biblical literal-ism argument rehash.

No way is this site going to do "takfir" on Christians who dont buy dad's position.

 

[Speedwell]

what Jesus said about Scripture, that it was true.

And you can quote Him saying that, can you?

Now if you want to make a bible case for your absurd claims, I double dare you to.

Why would I want to make a Bible case out of it?

 

[dad]

And you can quote Him saying that, can you?

Jesus Christ on the Infallibility of Scripture

Why would I want to make a Bible case out of it?

You can't. Evilution of man is OUT for bible believers. (as for what they call 'christians' on this forum I couldn't care less what they say or think)

 

[dad]

"Now my question is to Christians and mods who are Christians and mods in training, etc. How can you preach evolution here and claim you are following this little creed?"

I think you summed it up the purpose of the thread nicely.

Bingo.

 

[TLK Valentine]

Bingo.

The creed is little; God is not.

Pick one to follow.

 

[dad]

The creed is little; God is not.

Pick one to follow.

If I picked the creed the forums use to verify one is christian, I would. Dp you think folks should agree that Jesus created all things and then turn around and say He did that by having man born out of some animal womb?