Creation Sabbath Origin

[SabbathBlessings]

Incorrect, you only agree on what you want. I will list below why I say so.

Before that, did Jesus said must observe the Sabbath the way you propose or intend to propose? You insert your idea on how to keep it.


I will disprove your idea of keeping the Sabbath that cannot be proven by the scripture using your method of text-to-text screening, which you did many times, just to demonstrate the flaw of your bible reading method.

For example, Jesus never mentioned “Sabbath” in the rich young ruler incident when He spoke about the commandments (Luke 18, Matthew 19, Mark 10). Should I imitate you to say, “there is no Sabbath mentioned here” or “Sabbath” is not crystal-clearly stated?

Now, the list.

• You say Sabbath in Exodus 20 cannot be changed. But you add God is reasonable to allow one to miss a Church although you say cannot add own ideas into the commandment. You are self-conflicting.
• You say you don’t think my view breaks the commandment, yet you keep asking for scripture to break it in almost every post. Your requests do not align with your claims.
• You insisted on the text-by-text “Sabbath is every today” when Hebrews 4 explains it with obvious quotations. In an analogy, you need the answer “One(1)” and I say “Three(3) minus two(2) is the same." But you insist that “Three minus two” does not mean it is “One.” Then, you claim it as a zero fact that “three minus two equals one” and keep insisting to see the “one” multiple times.
• Again, you cannot comprehend the meaning of “every day is alike” in Romans 14. Your “everyday” in a month does not have the seventh day each week. It skipped.
• You refuse to accept the statement of the Apostle. Evident from the case of John 5:18.
• Your definition of commandments seems only limited to the Ten, although Jesus did mention He gave a new commandment. You don’t take commandments as any command of God, including Jesus’s commands of taking our cross, (whoever does not carry his cross and follow Me cannot be My disciple. Luke 14:27) – So, this is a Teaching? An Advice? Or a Command?

Since you expect me to answer all your questions (which I did), you should expect me to expect likewise.

• You still have not pointed out where the scripture supports removing the death penalty for not keeping the weekly Sabbath.

• Kindly explain how Paul connects “enter Joshua’s rest” and “God's creation's seventh-day rest” by designating “today”

God Bless

I asked to provide one scripture that says the Sabbath is now “today” but instead you ask me a question and your question certainly does not show that the Sabbath is “today” The seventh day is the Sabbath just like God told us. Exodus 20:10. So far you have not convinced me that God is wrong or changed His mind on one of His commandments that He clearly spoke and wrote. Exodus 20:8-11 Hebrews 4 reinforces the Sabbath commandment Hebrews 4:9-10 and the Sabbath is still on the seventh day, the day God ceased from His works from the beginning of time Genesis 2:1-3 just like Hebrews 4:4 reminds us.

Your analogy because Jesus did not repeat the Sabbath commandment to the rich young ruler, to insulate it has been deleted, with this kind of thinking than Jesus is also deleting the commandment to worship other gods, bow to images vain God’s holy name and break the greatest commandment to love God with all of our hearts, since the commandments dealing with God were not repeated to the rich young ruler, which was the ones the rich young ruler was breaking and why he walked away (great riches he placed above Jesus- breaking commandment #1 thou shalt not have other gods before Me) instead of being a follower of Jesus. The commandments are a unit of Ten according to God Exodus 34:28 and if we break one of these commandments, we break them all James 2:10-12. I don’t read scripture that omission means deletion and I don’t think we will come to any understanding of the scriptures and I see too many things addressed that have been twisted out of context, doesn’t make a lot of sense to continue in this manner. Also we are way off topic of this thread anyway.

I wish you well in seeking His Word

 

[BobRyan]

Jesus never mentioned “Sabbath” in the rich young ruler incident when He spoke about the commandments (Luke 18, Matthew 19, Mark 10).

And He did not mention
1. Do not take God's name in vain Ex 20:7 -- in Matt 19
2. Love God with all your heart Deut 6:5 - in Matt 19

But He did quote exclusively from the Law of Moses in Matt 19 when asked which commandments we are to keep.

 

[BobRyan]

You say Sabbath in Exodus 20 cannot be changed. But you add God is reasonable to allow one to miss a Church although you say cannot add own ideas into the commandment.

Ex 20:8-11 it is a day of rest
Lev 23:3 it is a day of holy convocation
Is 58:13 it is a day to refrain from secular work

that is "scripture" -- not me.

As for what determines "holy convocation" well I suppose someone in prison is in holy convocation with the angels on Sabbath if that person has no other option.

 

[BobRyan]

• Your definition of commandments seems only limited to the Ten, although Jesus did mention He gave a new commandment.

Jesus said to "Love your neighbor as yourself" In Matt 22 -- a direct quote from the Law of Moses Lev 19:18.

Jesus said to "Love God" in Matt 22 -- a direct quote from the Law of Moses - Deut 6:5

In Matt 19 Jesus quotes "From the TEN" as well as Lev 19:18 when asked "which commandments".

In Eph 6:2 Paul references the unit of TEN when he points out that in that distinct unit "honor your father and mother - is the first commandment with a promise".

In all cases the unit of TEN is included and this is a Bible detail so obvious that Bible scholars in all major Christian denominations on BOTH sides of the Sabbath topic - affirm them. So I am using a level of objectivity on this point that some folks here do not attempt.

 

[Icyspark]

Following that train of thought, and leaving aside for the moment the question of whether it is reading something into the scriptures, True!

You could claim that. And that would be a possible conclusion, but not a necessary conclusion.

Hi Leaf473,

With the same lack of authority I can make the same claim you made. You made the assertion that, "everyone is born with an inherent knowledge that murder is evil," and I can likewise claim that "one of the invisible qualities of God is His inherent desire to have all His creation rest every seventh day Sabbath." You can't elevate your unbiblical assertion without allowing for virtually any and all other assertions about what could, might, may be good or evil. That's a necessary conclusion.

God bless!

 

[Leaf473]

Hi Leaf473,

With the same lack of authority I can make the same claim you made. You made the assertion that, "everyone is born with an inherent knowledge that murder is evil," and I can likewise claim that "one of the invisible qualities of God is His inherent desire to have all His creation rest every seventh day Sabbath." You can't elevate your unbiblical assertion without allowing for virtually any and all other assertions about what could, might, may be good or evil. That's a necessary conclusion.

God bless!

I believe I did allow "for all other assertions about what could, might, may be good or evil". In the post of mine that you are responding to, I say "True".

In your response, you've got:
"everyone is born with an inherent knowledge that murder is evil,"
Which post of mine is that from?
____________________________
Leaving aside all the many possibilities, what do the scriptures actually state about what Adam and Eve were told?

 

[Cornelius8L]

Your analogy because Jesus did not repeat the Sabbath commandment to the rich young ruler, to insulate it has been deleted, with this kind of thinking than Jesus is also deleting the commandment to worship other gods, bow to images vain God’s holy name and break the greatest commandment to love God with all of our hearts, since the commandments dealing with God were not repeated to the rich young ruler, which was the ones the rich young ruler was breaking and why he walked away (great riches he placed above Jesus- breaking commandment #1 thou shalt not have other gods before Me) instead of being a follower of Jesus. The commandments are a unit of Ten according to God Exodus 34:28 and if we break one of these commandments, we break them all James 2:10-12.

My analogy is to demonstrate the flaw of your reading method, “must have the word ‘Sabbath.’” You said it must be written “sabbath’ in the word “everyday is alike” when everyone knows “everyday” will include the seventh day. – (Question #1 – so “everyday alike” does not include the seventh day? Romans 14:5)

Anyway, I agree that this is going nowhere, and I wish you well too.

At least, for what it’s worth, one of us (you or I) could experience why Jesus was not being able to convince the Pharisees with His ‘solid food.’ Likewise, the Apostle to those who can take only ‘milk.’ – If we agree neither of us is breaking the Sabbath commandment in our practices, then it is good enough. Peace be with you.

And He did not mention
1. Do not take God's name in vain Ex 20:7 -- in Matt 19
2. Love God with all your heart Deut 6:5 - in Matt 19

But He did quote exclusively from the Law of Moses in Matt 19 when asked which commandments we are to keep.

Hi BobRyan, we both know it is inclusive of the other commandments. Thank you.

Ex 20:8-11 it is a day of rest
Lev 23:3 it is a day of holy convocation
Is 58:13 it is a day to refrain from secular work

Can you share where the death penalty goes for those who do not keep the weekly Sabbath the way mentioned in (Exodus 31:15)? If you say it is nailed to the cross, you are agreeing to Colossians 2:16 referring to the weekly Sabbath – (Question #2)

Jesus said to "Love your neighbor as yourself" In Matt 22 -- a direct quote from the Law of Moses Lev 19:18.

Jesus said to "Love God" in Matt 22 -- a direct quote from the Law of Moses - Deut 6:5

In Matt 19 Jesus quotes "From the TEN" as well as Lev 19:18 when asked "which commandments".

In Eph 6:2 Paul references the unit of TEN when he points out that in that distinct unit "honor your father and mother - is the first commandment with a promise".

In all cases the unit of TEN is included and this is a Bible detail so obvious that Bible scholars in all major Christian denominations on BOTH sides of the Sabbath topic - affirm them. So I am using a level of objectivity on this point that some folks here do not attempt.

Do you think carrying your own cross a command from Jesus? Appreciate it if you can enlighten us that it is not a command. – (Question #3)

BobRyan, your good replies to the above 3 questions are much appreciated. God Bless.

 

[Cornelius8L]

I've enjoyed reading your posts, Cornelius8L, and hope you will continue posting more insights.

Thanks Leaf473. May God give us the spirit of wisdom and revelation in our knowledge of Him (Ephesians 1:17).

 

[Cornelius8L]

Hi Cornelius8L,

So, some background:
@SabbathBlessings and I go back several years here on CF.

In an attempt to better communicate, I have tried several different methods of expressing my position. So I can understand how that could appear to be changing my position.

As I alluded to above, the partial law keeping theologies
(SabbathBlessings, is that an accurate way to describe what you present?)
don't hold up when dealing with the lesser known laws.

SabbathBlessings, do you allege a difference between laws and commandments above? I offer to talk about it, but to me it makes sense to see if the approach will work with the entire law.

If a theology about the law can't deal with the entire law, it doesn't make sense to endorse it imo.

I've enjoyed reading your posts, Cornelius8L, and hope you will continue posting more insights.

And may the peace of the Lord be with you all!

I responded over here, since we agree that it's good to keep this thread on topic.
Did all the laws end at the cross- Part 2

Thanks for filling the gap. I think “Did all the laws end at the cross- Part 2” is an interesting thread. I will read and digest everything there as well. God bless all!

 

[Leaf473]

Thanks for filling the gap. I think “Did all the laws end at the cross- Part 2” is an interesting thread. I will read and digest everything there as well. God bless all!

You're most welcome.

I like that you brought up the death penalty for breaking the Sabbath commandment. It's the same idea as bringing up one of the lesser known laws imo. (Lesser known because they are less frequently talked about, not because they are less important.)

 

[Leaf473]

Hi Leaf473,

With the same lack of authority I can make the same claim you made. You made the assertion that, "everyone is born with an inherent knowledge that murder is evil," and I can likewise claim that "one of the invisible qualities of God is His inherent desire to have all His creation rest every seventh day Sabbath." You can't elevate your unbiblical assertion without allowing for virtually any and all other assertions about what could, might, may be good or evil. That's a necessary conclusion.

God bless!

Leaving aside all the many possibilities, what do the scriptures actually state about what Adam and Eve were told?

While this is on my mind, and before I lose the file, I wanted to post this list of all the things God says to Adam or Eve:
Genesis 1
Be fruitful, and multiply, and fill the earth, and subdue it, and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the flying creatures of the sky, and over all the tame animals, and over all the wild animals of the earth, and over all the creatures that crawl on the earth." 29And God said, "Look, I have given you every plant yielding seed, which is on the surface of all the earth, and every tree, which bears fruit yielding seed. It will be your food. 30And to every wild animal of the earth, and to every tame animal of the earth, and to every flying creature of the sky, and to every creature that crawls on the earth, in which there is life, I have given every green plant for food.

Genesis 2
Of every tree of the garden you may freely eat; 17but of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, you shall not eat of it; for in the day that you eat of it you will surely die.

Genesis 3
(Possibly) You shall not eat of it, neither shall you touch it, lest you die.

I will greatly multiply your pain in childbirth. In pain you will bring forth children. Your desire will be for your husband, and he will rule over you.

Because you have listened to your wife's voice, and have eaten of the tree, of which I commanded you, saying, 'You shall not eat of it,' cursed is the ground for your sake. In toil you will eat of it all the days of your life.

18Thorns also and thistles will it bring forth to you; and you will eat the plants of the field.

19By the sweat of your face will you eat bread until you return to the ground, for out of it you were taken. For you are dust, and to dust you shall return.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

My analogy is to demonstrate the flaw of your reading method, “must have the word ‘Sabbath.’” You said it must be written “sabbath’ in the word “everyday is alike” when everyone knows “everyday” will include the seventh day. – (Question #1 – so “everyday alike” does not include the seventh day? Romans 14:5)

Like I said we read scriptures, there is a big difference in Jesus quoting directly from the unit of Ten, but not quoting all the commandments than arbitrarily taking a scripture that has no commandments and trying to insert it there as missing and then using this as an example. If you don't see the difference in this logic than I can't help you.

The Sabbath can't be every day because we are told to cease from our works on the seventh day and keep the Sabbath holy Sabbath. Exodus 20:8-11 If the Sabbath was everyday as you claim, then nothing would get done in this world as we can't have any secular work on God's holy Sabbath according to the Lord's own words Isaiah 58:13. God said we have six days to do all of our work and labors Exodus 20:9 but God set aside only the seventh day as holy, blessed and sanctified. Genesis 2:1-3, Exodus 20:8-11. We have free will, but the Sabbath is a commandment of God and for me I am going to keep the commandments of God. God's finger-written law is in God's Heavenly Kingdom in the Most Holy of God's Temple where He dwells Revelation 11:19 if one does not want to keep the Sabbath holy on this earth as a day of worship, what makes one think they will suddenly want to on the New Earth and New Heaven Isaiah 66:22-23. The second chance that we have to obey God is "today" not after Jesus comes, at that point our fates will be sealed. Revelation 22:10

Can you share where the death penalty goes for those who do not keep the weekly Sabbath the way mentioned in (Exodus 31:15)? If you say it is nailed to the cross, you are agreeing to Colossians 2:16 referring to the weekly Sabbath

Sin is breaking God’s law 1 John 3:4 and Paul points us directly to the Ten Commandments to define sin. Romans 7:7. James says you break one commandment you break them all again pointing right to the Ten Commandments James 2:10-12. The wages of sin is death and that has not changed, but through Jesus Christ we can overcome our sin and turn to Him and walk in His Spirit who is given to help keep His commandments John 14:15-18 and given to those who obey Acts 5:32. What you are trying to do is place the Sabbath as a standalone commandment, but it is part of God’s Ten Commandments Exodus 20, Exodus 34:28 that He personally wrote with His own Finger Exodus 31:18. All of the commandments points out sin when broken. There is no scripture that says if we willingly sin once knowing the truth that we can be saved, instead we are warned there remains no more sacrifice Hebrews 10:26-30 so the Sabbath commandment was not nailed to the cross as it is part of the Ten Commandments that points out sin when breaking, just like coveting or adultery.

Which is why the Sabbath is still a commandment after the death of Jesus Luke 23:56, Jesus spoke of the Sabbath as if it were to be kept Matthew 24:20, the apostles kept the Sabbath decades after Jesus ascended back to heaven Acts 13:44, Acts 18:4 and Sabbath worship continues forever in God's heavenly Kingdom, Isaiah 66:22-23, because this is the day and only day God declared as His holy day Exodus 20:10. Isaiah 58:13 so your argument is not really with me, nor I am the one you need to convince why you feel you don't need to keep this commandment.

 

[BobRyan]

Can you share where the death penalty goes for those who do not keep the weekly Sabbath the way mentioned in (Exodus 31:15)? If you say it is nailed to the cross, you are agreeing to Colossians 2:16 referring to the weekly Sabbath – (Question #2) .

1. Col 2:16 refers to the yearly ceremonial Sabbaths as the shadow "predictive" Sabbaths.
2. Heb 10:4-12 declares all laws pertaining to animal sacrifice (given in animal sacrifice) to have ended at the cross -- not just the annual ceremonial Sabbaths.
3. Gen 2:1-3 and Ex 20:11 show the 7th day Sabbath to have been given apart from any animal sacrifice when given to mankind.
4. Is 66:23 shows the Sabbath commandment observed for all eternity after the cross in the New Earth by "all mankind" -- "from Sabbath to Sabbath shall all mankind come before Me to worship"
5. Civil laws (such as the death penalty) created under a theocracy only apply when under that theocracy and end when that theocracy ends. So for example no "death penalty" for Sabbath breaking for Jews captive in Babylon and Paul calls for no "death penalty" for Sabbath breaking ..

Now as can be seen in "The Baptist Confession of Faith" sectn 19, and the "Westminster Confession of Faith" sectn 19 -- the 5 points above are affirmed by Bible scholars in almost all Christian denominations on BOTH sides of the Sabbath topic. So t is not as though we would insist that one has to be keeping the Bible Sabbath to notice those details.

 

[BobRyan]

Do you think carrying your own cross a command from Jesus? Appreciate it if you can enlighten us that it is not a command. – (Question #3)

BobRyan, your good replies to the above 3 questions are much appreciated. God Bless.

1. There is no OT command to carry your cross - so this is not a case of deleting any scripture given in the OT.

2. only one of the 12 disciples was ever crucified on a cross so we know Jesus was not claiming they all had wooden crosses.

3. John 10 Jesus said "I am the DOOR" - but of course was not a literal wooden door. In Matt 16 we have "beware of the leaven of the pharisees" which meant "teaching" and not yeast or bread.

4. But "yes" we can agree that there are 1050 commands in the NT and about 600 in the OT - and we should take them seriously. So then each of us must take the the cross of persecution, ridicule for our faith etc in this life. And we must also crucify self - daily "take up his cross daily"

 

[Icyspark]

I believe I did allow "for all other assertions about what could, might, may be good or evil". In the post of mine that you are responding to, I say "True".

In your response, you've got:
"everyone is born with an inherent knowledge that murder is evil,"
Which post of mine is that from?
____________________________
Leaving aside all the many possibilities, what do the scriptures actually state about what Adam and Eve were told?

Hi Leaf473,

Actually what you said was, "You could claim that. And that would be a possible conclusion, but not a necessary conclusion," giving the indication that your viewpoint about what is "inherent knowledge" was believable but mine is merely "a possible conclusion, but not a necessary conclusion." You are essentially setting yourself up as the sole arbiter of truth--reading into the text about God's invisible qualities and making assertions about what those qualities are and who knows what when. Those kinds of leaps in logic are untenable. The Bible is its own interpreter. If knowledge that murder is wrong is embedded in our very being, then so too is a knowledge of the Sabbath. That is "a necessary conclusion."

Leaving aside all the many possibilities, what do the scriptures actually state about what Adam and Eve were told?

It doesn't explicitly say, but implicitly we can determine that while Genesis is a book of origins, not commands, we still see:

• The Sabbath is made in Genesis 2:1-3.
• Jesus says, "The Sabbath was made for human beings."

To dismiss the Sabbath as being dormant and unused for 2,000 years makes no sense. Adam and Eve were alive when God went through the making of the Sabbath and if it was made for human beings then why in the world would you suppose that God would set it up and then have it go underground for millennia only to revive it at a time when no one would have any conception of when it was set up during the creation event? Why refer back to the creation event if it has no relevance?

I pray this helps.

 

[BobRyan]

– (Question #1 – so “everyday alike” does not include the seventh day? Romans 14:5)

The word "alike" is not in the text and most Bible translators show it in italics as a word inserted.

So in Rom 14 "one man observes one day above another while another observes every day".

There is no "one man observes no day - and that is just fine" in Rom 14

In Gal 4 gentile Christians (former pagans) are condemned by Paul should they observe even ONE pagan day. So the "every day" of Rom 14 does not include the pagan days that Paul condemns gentile Christians for resorting to after having been converted to Christianity. Rather it can only refer to the "every day" listed in Lev 23 - where we find Bible-approved holy days.

 

[Leaf473]

Hi Leaf473,

Actually what you said was, "You could claim that. And that would be a possible conclusion, but not a necessary conclusion," giving the indication that your viewpoint about what is "inherent knowledge" was believable but mine is merely "a possible conclusion, but not a necessary conclusion." You are essentially setting yourself up as the sole arbiter of truth--reading into the text about God's invisible qualities and making assertions about what those qualities are and who knows what when. Those kinds of leaps in logic are untenable. The Bible is its own interpreter. If knowledge that murder is wrong is embedded in our very being, then so too is a knowledge of the Sabbath. That is "a necessary conclusion."





It doesn't explicitly say, but implicitly we can determine that while Genesis is a book of origins, not commands, we still see:

• The Sabbath is made in Genesis 2:1-3.
• Jesus says, "The Sabbath was made for human beings."

To dismiss the Sabbath as being dormant and unused for 2,000 years makes no sense. Adam and Eve were alive when God went through the making of the Sabbath and if it was made for human beings then why in the world would you suppose that God would set it up and then have it go underground for millennia only to revive it at a time when no one would have any conception of when it was set up during the creation event? Why refer back to the creation event if it has no relevance?

I pray this helps.

One thing that would really help is if you would give the post numbers where I said the things you are quoting me as saying. Then I could double check the context.

If it's true that Genesis is a book of origins but not commands, then we probably agree that the Sabbath originated on the seventh day of creation but commands may not have been given to Adam and Eve in the same form that we read them in Exodus 20.

 

[Cornelius8L]

Like I said we read scriptures

Haha, I guess I know you better after reading your other threads concerning the laws of God.

Anyway, I hear you, where commandments (TEN) are above everything, overwriting every possible verse that contradicts them instead of considering how they can meet each other.

You say God rest on the seventh day, then Jesus cannot say God works on the seventh day (John 5:17). You are greater than Jesus. You are interesting indeed.

I have shared why we can still work in previous replies. Now, I think it is more important to understand each other.

I’m sure you are aware of the fact that there are many written contradictions in the Scripture. We, God’s worshippers, are given a spirit of wisdom to explain the contradiction without killing any verses.

If you think again, I quoting Colossian 2:16 is not to end Sabbath practice but to say let no one judge what we want to do on the seventh day (the ways not aligned with yours), but you started judging me because you thought I was using that verse to destroy Sabbath. But how can I destroy Sabbath if I say Sabbath is every day? Your concern is that one day is higher than another, disagreeing with Romans 14:5, but how difficult it is to keep the sabbath rest every day if the sabbath rest is by sincere hearts?

Must we regard one day above another and not make every day holy since our goal is to be perfect and holy like God is perfect and holy? How can we be perfect and holy if other days are not holy?

Rightfully, all Christ believers should be one (John 17:21), but we are divided by disputing Bible verses instead of connecting without removing any of them.

If I have read correctly, Exodus 20 keeps the seventh day holy but never restricts us from keeping the other six days holy. Set one day apart as holy, giving to God, but never forbids us from giving everything to God.

God bless

 

[Leaf473]

Rightfully, all Christ believers should be one (John 17:21), but we are divided by disputing Bible verses instead of connecting without removing any of them.

Amen to that!

 

[Cornelius8L]

1. Col 2:16 refers to the yearly ceremonial Sabbaths as the shadow "predictive" Sabbaths.
2. Heb 10:4-12 declares all laws pertaining to animal sacrifice (given in animal sacrifice) to have ended at the cross -- not just the annual ceremonial Sabbaths.
3. Gen 2:1-3 and Ex 20:11 show the 7th day Sabbath to have been given apart from any animal sacrifice when given to mankind.
4. Is 66:23 shows the Sabbath commandment observed for all eternity after the cross in the New Earth by "all mankind" -- "from Sabbath to Sabbath shall all mankind come before Me to worship"
5. Civil laws (such as the death penalty) created under a theocracy only apply when under that theocracy and end when that theocracy ends. So for example no "death penalty" for Sabbath breaking for Jews captive in Babylon and Paul calls for no "death penalty" for Sabbath breaking ..

Now as can be seen in "The Baptist Confession of Faith" sectn 19, and the "Westminster Confession of Faith" sectn 19 -- the 5 points above are affirmed by Bible scholars in almost all Christian denominations on BOTH sides of the Sabbath topic. So t is not as though we would insist that one has to be keeping the Bible Sabbath to notice those details.

Hey, thanks for your effort in listing the points. Do you mean the death penalty for not keeping the weekly Sabbath is not God’s instruction and can be altered by man?

1. There is no OT command to carry your cross - so this is not a case of deleting any scripture given in the OT.

2. only one of the 12 disciples was ever crucified on a cross so we know Jesus was not claiming they all had wooden crosses.

3. John 10 Jesus said "I am the DOOR" - but of course was not a literal wooden door. In Matt 16 we have "beware of the leaven of the pharisees" which meant "teaching" and not yeast or bread.

4. But "yes" we can agree that there are 1050 commands in the NT and about 600 in the OT - and we should take them seriously. So then each of us must take the the cross of persecution, ridicule for our faith etc in this life. And we must also crucify self - daily "take up his cross daily"

Agree on all points, so I presume you agree that God’s commandments include all commands? Cool.

The word "alike" is not in the text and most Bible translators show it in italics as a word inserted.

So in Rom 14 "one man observes one day above another while another observes every day".

There is no "one man observes no day - and that is just fine" in Rom 14

In Gal 4 gentile Christians (former pagans) are condemned by Paul should they observe even ONE pagan day. So the "every day" of Rom 14 does not include the pagan days that Paul condemns gentile Christians for resorting to after having been converted to Christianity. Rather it can only refer to the "every day" listed in Lev 23 - where we find Bible-approved holy days.

Maybe you are forgetting the following verse. v6 “He who observes a special day does so to the Lord;” – So this is not referring to Pagan day.

Nice knowing you btw.