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Your pejorative comments about my relationship with God do not need further comment.

I would never descend so low as you have done to me, in my wanting to communicate with you about your atheism.

Bye, bye:wave:

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The honest truth does not always conform to what we want to hear. As I have said, FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, your relationship with god is religious in nature, and would be even if I believed in the same deity as you. Do you really want to shut down a conversation over a disagreement over semantics? Last I checked, how you label your relationship with god is pretty irrelevant to the major topic of our discussion.
 
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I'm giving you the benefit of a doubt for the sake of arguing.

And I'm asking you what took so long?

Do you have an answer or not?
Interesting articles about this
http://www.gotquestions.org/John-7-53-8-11.html
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John 7:53-8:11
The earliest mention of these passages in John were made in the twelve century AD, and that mention was by a church father saying that the accurate versions of the original Greek bible did not contain it.

Indeed the earliest manuscripts of John do not possess it.
 
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I've become fairly convinced that most people writing on these forums about creation, regardless of which side (or sides) of the fence they fall on, (I'm closest, I suppose with the intelligent design folks, perhaps?), are kind of chasing after wind. When I began RCIA in 2005 and we started discussing they Holy Scriptures in general, an amazing fact was revealed to me, almost accidentally by one of the catechists. The scriptures tell us precisely what we NEED to know. It's not all there is TO know, but it is sufficient for it's purpose as is. All of the arguments arising from Holy Scripture tend to revolve around what isn't there. What is between the lines. Man imposing a particular exegesis and context, which we can not help turn into 20th and 21st century thinking processes. The scriptures are divine revelation. They are intended to point out the divine knowledge of our existence. Not the scientific measurements of our existence. The takeaways for early Genesis are fairly clear. God created everything from nothing. The last creation, was the one He created all other things FOR.....man. Made in the image and likeness of God. One couple. One ancestral pairing of en-souled human beings. This couple sinned and fell from grace at the tempting of a similarly fallen angel. The scripture doesn't tell us, (and therefore, it isn't theologically important to the narrative), how long seven days are for an entity outside of time. There is nothing wrong with science working to discover the measurable truth as far as it is knowable of the first events. But what science shouldn't do is develop competing THEOLOGICAL narratives. That's not the role of science. Their role is to measure, test, and theorize on physical phenomena. Metaphysical phenomena is the domain of the theologian and the philosopher.
 
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You do know that the resurrection was added to the Bible much much later don't you, it was not in the original text.
Not that it would bother you if it was added last year because you want to believe it so you will.

Depends on what you consider to be the original text. Do you accept the New Testament?
 
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When you write something please read it to see if it makes sense, what you wrote doesn't because I am not a Christian.
Advice; be nice to Aman777, his biblical interpretation is very... interesting. On a site where you often see the same arguments used over and over again, different is always refreshing.

Also, he worded it bad. I think he was asking you if you consider the New Testament to be a valid addition to scripture, or if you view it as lesser in some way to the Old Testament. I would surmise that you view them as equally garbage; I personally find that the New Testament is overall translated into English better than the Old Testament and makes for an easier read.
 
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Indeed the earliest manuscripts of John do not possess it.
Well, we've got it now, thanks to King James.

I'm just wondering what took so long.
 
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Well, we've got it now, thanks to King James.

I'm just wondering what took so long.
I don't think you're wondering at all, you're just trying to square it in your head, should you believe that the story was inspired by God? perhaps if you added something would it be inspired by God?

What else in the Bible was added long after the Bible was written? will they ever know? I say they because we won't be around to see if they do.
 
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What was added into the Bible after it was written? Well, the Johannie Comma, the ending of Mark, the words "brother of" before "Goliath" in 2 Sam. 21:19, so as to gloss over the contradiction as to who killed Goliath, the Apocrypha keeps popping in and out of Protestant Bibles. From the Dead Sea Scrolls to the present, Samuel got shorter, Goliath got taller. Those are just a few of the things I can immediately think of.
 
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I'm still waiting for the them to find the missing first page...
Interesting symbol on her forehead.

Revelation 17:5 And upon her forehead was a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH.
 
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What was added into the Bible after it was written? Well, the Johannie Comma, the ending of Mark, the words "brother of" before "Goliath" in 2 Sam. 21:19,
If that's true, I'd say it's about time they got it right ... wouldn't you?
 
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Interesting symbol on her forehead.

Revelation 17:5 And upon her forehead was a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH.
Stands for hologram, it's from a British science fiction comedy of the 80s and 90s called Red Dwarf.
 
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There is only misunderstanding and men being wise in their own eyes.
Indeed.

That's what Homo sapiens stands for: wise men.

Romans 1:22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,
 
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Do you really read the 1611 version of the Bible?
Yes ... I read Its fifth edition.

I do have a digitally-remastered original, which I'm planning to read sometime.

I also have a 1560 Geneva I'd like to read.
 
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Yes ... I read Its fifth edition.
I also have a 1560 Geneva I'd like to read.
So you read the 1775 edition. I prefer to go back and study the original language usually the Hebrew sometimes the Greek.
 
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