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Creation ex nihilo challenge
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You put plants as the Cambrian or after. Therefore, the Sun has to be after the Cambrian according to the Bible.
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Oncedeceived
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No plants are on earliest earth according to Genesis. The sun comes prior to the Cambrian.
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Plants come prior the Sun in Genesis, so we should see fruit trees in the Pre-Cambrian, and we don't.
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Oncedeceived
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Plants before the Cambrian evidence:
First Land Plants and Fungi Changed Earth's Climate, Paving the Way for Explosive Evolution of Land Animals, New Gene Study Suggests — Eberly College of Science
I am taking a quote from the article but please read the entire article to have the full information.
"Our research shows that land plants and fungi evolved much earlier than previously thought — before the Snowball Earth and Cambrian Explosion events — suggesting their presence could have had a profound effect on the climate and the evolution of life on Earth," says Blair Hedges, an evolutionary biologist and leader of the Penn State research team that performed the study.
First Land Plants and Fungi Changed Earth's Climate, Paving the Way for Explosive Evolution of Land Animals, New Gene Study Suggests — Eberly College of Science
I am taking a quote from the article but please read the entire article to have the full information.
"Our research shows that land plants and fungi evolved much earlier than previously thought — before the Snowball Earth and Cambrian Explosion events — suggesting their presence could have had a profound effect on the climate and the evolution of life on Earth," says Blair Hedges, an evolutionary biologist and leader of the Penn State research team that performed the study.
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I didn't demand that YOU do it. The challenge is simply to demonstrate that it can even be done.
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Oncedeceived
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Ok, that does sound crazy.
There is evidence that supports the faith based position of Creation being the act of God.
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The full paper is here: http://ebme.marine.rutgers.edu/Hist...ll2008/Week10a/Heckman_et_al_Science_2008.pdf
It appears that they are actually running a model rather than having actual fossils. Since the paper was published in 2001 I'll have to check out some of the citations concerning that paper to see if it stands subsequent scrutiny. One thing that throws up a flag for me is the idea that those plants are responsible for oxygenation of Earth's atmosphere. The reason I would question that is that I don't see any land life being able to survive without an ozone layer. All of the papers I have previously read pertaining to the origin of Earth Atmosphere (and it's been quite a few), show photosynthesis occurring in shallow seas where UVB and UVC cannot penetrate. More later.
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The first paper I was able to get full access to, Thorne et al, 2002, Systematic Biology, seem to disagree with the Heckman et al, 2001 paper. Again, more later.
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Oncedeceived
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Yes, marine, not terrestrial.
I think what (Heckman et al, 2001) did was to model a sequence that suggested the possibility they reported. I would agree with that. But I think they shot themselves in the foot overlooking the UV problem.
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Oncedeceived
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Oh right, I didn't catch that. I am interested in whatever you find. Thanks.
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