Creating a New Nation! The New C.S.A. (3)

[dlamberth]

Rose to where, Shield?

That's what I want to know also.

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[Nathan Poe]

That's what I want to know also.

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Indeed -- The whole notion of Jesus rising up into heaven would make for a great stage production, but, despite what Shakespeare said, all the world is not a stage.

If Jesus traveled at the speed of light (186,000 miles/second), even after 2000 years, he still would'nt have made it out of our own galaxy, much less into heaven. And seeing as how he was not travelling this fast, but rather, slow enough to be seen leaving Earth, then even after 2,000 years, he's probably just passing Saturn by now.

No wonder eternity is such a long time -- apparantly, we need it.

 

[Shadowfax503]

So now SOF is badly using the resurrection of Jesus as a defense for his new nation?

Talk about not being able to argue ones point?????

SOF,
I mean no disrespect man but to say that your point is correct because Jesus rose from the dead is not logical or biblical. I could say the same thing about almost anything.. Jesus rose from the dead so that makes the earth flat! See just doesn't work.
Jesus did come back from the dead. Jesus did ascend into heaven. This is true if you are a Christian. But just because he did those does not disprove evolution.

The problem with creation verses evolution is one of where we are coming from. What are our preconceived notions. If you take out all that, we are all left with the same evidence to work with and both ideas do their best to explain what little evidence we have.
As a Christian we must remember that even though we believe the bible, it was written and translated by man and ancient man would not have understood the working of creation any more than my 12 year old understands advanced statics. So maybe God chose to tell Moses about the creation of the world in a manner he could understand without going into all the details.

 

[ShieldOFaith]

So now SOF is badly using the resurrection of Jesus as a defense for his new nation?

Talk about not being able to argue ones point?????

SOF,
I mean no disrespect man but to say that your point is correct because Jesus rose from the dead is not logical or biblical. I could say the same thing about almost anything.. Jesus rose from the dead so that makes the earth flat! See just doesn't work.
Jesus did come back from the dead. Jesus did ascend into heaven. This is true if you are a Christian. But just because he did those does not disprove evolution.

The problem with creation verses evolution is one of where we are coming from. What are our preconceived notions. If you take out all that, we are all left with the same evidence to work with and both ideas do their best to explain what little evidence we have.
As a Christian we must remember that even though we believe the bible, it was written and translated by man and ancient man would not have understood the working of creation any more than my 12 year old understands advanced statics. So maybe God chose to tell Moses about the creation of the world in a manner he could understand without going into all the details.

Umm... No!

GOD told Moses exactly how HE did it. You may chose to mock Him, but that means nothing. GOD created the universe in 6 days. Six 24-hour periods.

You see, it is hard for you to understand how powerful GOD is. Therefore you chose to believe the weak pathetic theory of evolution.

I understand enough of the power of GOD to understand that it is all too easy for HIM to create the universe in 6 days. HE could have done it in 6 seconds if HE wished to do so.

That is why the New C.S.A. would only teach real science. Creation science. The weak pathetic "theory" of evolution would not be taught until the latter years of high school and in college. And then it would be taught as it really is, SCIENCE FICTION.

SOLA FIDE.

 

[GrayCat]

Umm... No!

GOD told Moses exactly how HE did it. You may chose to mock Him, but that means nothing. GOD created the universe in 6 days. Six 24-hour periods.

You see, it is hard for you to understand how powerful GOD is. Therefore you chose to believe the weak pathetic theory of evolution.

I understand enough of the power of GOD to understand that it is all too easy for HIM to create the universe in 6 days. HE could have done it in 6 seconds if HE wished to do so.

That is why the New C.S.A. would only teach real science. Creation science. The weak pathetic "theory" of evolution would not be taught until the latter years of high school and in college. And then it would be taught as it really is, SCIENCE FICTION.

SOLA FIDE.

Shield - what takes more intelligence: To (correctly) understand a complex theory spanning thousands of years both on a micro- and macroscopic level, or to throw up your hands and yell "Goddidit" in avoidance to being astute about the subtlety and intricacies of Nature and Human species?

 

[ShieldOFaith]

Shield - what takes more intelligence: To (correctly) understand a complex theory spanning thousands of years both on a micro- and macroscopic level, or to throw up your hands and yell "Goddidit" in avoidance to being astute about the subtlety and intricacies of Nature and Human species?

Is it all just about intelligence? Is it about making yourself look intelligent? Is that all there is? No truth, no real science; just what makes us look intelligent?

GOD created the universe in six 24 hour days. Simple.

If you want street cred intelligence points; here:

http://www.wildersmith.org/

This man would beat down any professor you ever studied under. Oh yeah, he believed just as I do. GOD CREATED THE EARTH AND EVERYTHING YOU SEE AROUND YOU!!!

SOLA FIDE.

 

[Wednesday]

Wow, just wow. This tripe is still going on?

 

[Archaeopteryx]

You see, it is hard for you to understand how powerful GOD is. Therefore you chose to believe the weak pathetic theory of evolution.

I understand enough of the power of GOD to understand that it is all too easy for HIM to create the universe in 6 days. HE could have done it in 6 seconds if HE wished to do so.

And it is also just as easy for him to choose to create by evolution, if he wished to do so. It sounds more like you doubt the power of God to do so, in favour of literalistic interpretations of an ancient story. “Since Holy Scripture can be explained in a number of ways, no one explanation should be so rigidly, that one would presume to maintain it if it could be prove with certainty to be false.” - Pope Leo XIII.

That is why the New C.S.A. would only teach real science. Creation science. The weak pathetic "theory" of evolution would not be taught until the latter years of high school and in college. And then it would be taught as it really is, SCIENCE FICTION.

And what would the punishment be for those that analyze evidence and conclude and publicize their findings that promote evolutionary theory?

 

[TheReasoner]

Is it all just about intelligence? Is it about making yourself look intelligent? Is that all there is? No truth, no real science; just what makes us look intelligent?

GOD created the universe in six 24 hour days. Simple.

If you want street cred intelligence points; here:

http://www.wildersmith.org/

This man would beat down any professor you ever studied under. Oh yeah, he believed just as I do. GOD CREATED THE EARTH AND EVERYTHING YOU SEE AROUND YOU!!!

SOLA FIDE.

Six of OUR days?
Sure?
2. Peter 3:8 says
"But do not forget this one thing, dear friends: With the Lord a day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years are like a day."

From this we know time does not matter to God. His perception of time is not as ours it. And from Physics we also know that time is not linear. It is highly relative.
Sorry Shield. You're pwnd!

 

[Nathan Poe]

So now SOF is badly using the resurrection of Jesus as a defense for his new nation?

SoF has badly used everything he can get his hands on as a defense for his anti-American tirades.

 

[Nathan Poe]

Umm... No!

GOD told Moses exactly how HE did it. You may chose to mock Him, but that means nothing. GOD created the universe in 6 days. Six 24-hour periods.

God told Moses nothing. Bad theology is not going to make your point.

You see, it is hard for you to understand how powerful GOD is. Therefore you chose to believe the weak pathetic theory of evolution.

As opposed to the weak pathetic man trying to start his own country.

I understand enough of the power of GOD to understand that it is all too easy for HIM to create the universe in 6 days. HE could have done it in 6 seconds if HE wished to do so.

If God were really all-powerful, He'd have someone more qualified than you enforcing His laws. The omnipotent need not scrape the bottom of the barrel when hiring help.

That is why the New C.S.A. would only teach real science. Creation science. The weak pathetic "theory" of evolution would not be taught until the latter years of high school and in college. And then it would be taught as it really is, SCIENCE FICTION.

Seeing as how you don't even know what it is, where are you going to find someone to teach it?

Seriously, you speak of "real science," but you don't know any.

SOLA FIDE.

IGNORANTIA BEATITUDO EST.

 

[Nathan Poe]

Is it all just about intelligence? Is it about making yourself look intelligent? Is that all there is? No truth, no real science; just what makes us look intelligent?

Why not? Your fetish for making yourself look powerful and important is duly noted.

GOD created the universe in six 24 hour days. Simple.

Then preach it to the simpletons.

If you want street cred intelligence points; here:

http://www.wildersmith.org/

This man would beat down any professor you ever studied under. Oh yeah, he believed just as I do. GOD CREATED THE EARTH AND EVERYTHING YOU SEE AROUND YOU!!!

Couldn't help but notice that his website says nothing of substance -- much like his books, I shouldn't wonder.

 

[Maren]

Is it all just about intelligence? Is it about making yourself look intelligent? Is that all there is? No truth, no real science; just what makes us look intelligent?

GOD created the universe in six 24 hour days. Simple.

If you want street cred intelligence points; here:

http://www.wildersmith.org/

This man would beat down any professor you ever studied under. Oh yeah, he believed just as I do. GOD CREATED THE EARTH AND EVERYTHING YOU SEE AROUND YOU!!!

SOLA FIDE.

Strange how a man who has been dead 13 years could "beat down any professor". Especially odd since his degrees and expertise were organic chemistry and pharmacology.

 

[Nathan Poe]

Strange how a man who has been dead 13 years could "beat down any professor". Especially odd since his degrees and expertise were organic chemistry and pharmacology.

You forget -- in SoF's world, intelligence and expertise are irrelevent. He preaches it the way SoF wants to hear it -- that makes him right.

 

[Shadowfax503]

Umm... No!

GOD told Moses exactly how HE did it. You may chose to mock Him, but that means nothing. GOD created the universe in 6 days. Six 24-hour periods.

You see, it is hard for you to understand how powerful GOD is. Therefore you chose to believe the weak pathetic theory of evolution.

I understand enough of the power of GOD to understand that it is all too easy for HIM to create the universe in 6 days. HE could have done it in 6 seconds if HE wished to do so.

That is why the New C.S.A. would only teach real science. Creation science. The weak pathetic "theory" of evolution would not be taught until the latter years of high school and in college. And then it would be taught as it really is, SCIENCE FICTION.

SOLA FIDE.

SOF,
First off I said NOTHING about not personally believing in a 6 day creation! Yet you accuse me of it?

Second and more important my argument was about your use of the resurrection of Christ used to prove creation.
Which you did not respond to.

Third I stated that creation verses evolution was more of a problem of biases that evidence.
Yet you just keep stating the same opinion in different manners.(God did it! God did it! God did it!)

Forth you seem to question my belief that God is omnipotent.
How can you state that when I stated that Christ "ROSE" from the dead?

If your CSA wants to teach creation then teach creation. Just teach it using science and not faith.
(yes creation can be taught using science, some of the greatest scientist of the past believed in creation)

Why would you not teach evolution?
Some of the greatnesses Christian leaders of our time believe in evolution?

If you want to teach creation as faith then do not call it science.

This goes back to my point. Creation verses Evolution is more a problem of personal biases than evidence.

My point about God telling Moses about the creation in a way Moses could understand was that I do not think Moses would have understood advanced physics. Just like my daughter does not understand applied statistics.

God is the greatest Scientist of all times. Why not try and understand him a bit better by studying the science of this great universe he made?

 

[Wednesday]

In SOF's mind it's not what you wrote, it is what he thought he had read.

Please, people, can we stop responding to his rants. Let this thread and his other threads die.

 

[dlamberth]

Shield, so far I'm getting the idea that your ideal version of C.S.A would be repressive. The personal rights of it's population would be restricted and controlled, that's real clear now. From your Vietnam thread, I'm guessing that it would be militaristic as well. But what about the place of women? What's their place in your C.S.A.?

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[dlamberth]

1. There would be no homosexuals in the New C.S.A..

God said that he hated Figs...not homosexuals. In C.S.A land, there would be no fig trees.

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[GrayCat]

Is it all just about intelligence? Is it about making yourself look intelligent? Is that all there is? No truth, no real science; just what makes us look intelligent?

GOD created the universe in six 24 hour days. Simple.

If you want street cred intelligence points; here:

http://www.wildersmith.org/

This man would beat down any professor you ever studied under. Oh yeah, he believed just as I do. GOD CREATED THE EARTH AND EVERYTHING YOU SEE AROUND YOU!!!

SOLA FIDE.

No, it's not about "making yourself look" intelligent.

It's about being intelligent.

 

[ShieldOFaith]

God told Moses nothing. Bad theology is not going to make your point.

Once again, you are a heathen and know very little about the Word of GOD.

[FONT=Arial, Geneva, Helvetica] 1 Now Moses kept the flock of Jethro his father in law, the priest of Midian: and he led the flock to the backside of the desert, and came to the mountain of God, even to Horeb. 2 And the angel of the LORD appeared unto him in a flame of fire out of the midst of a bush: and he looked, and, behold, the bush burned with fire, and the bush was not consumed. 3 And Moses said, I will now turn aside, and see this great sight, why the bush is not burnt. 4 And when the LORD saw that he turned aside to see, God called unto him out of the midst of the bush, and said, Moses, Moses. And he said, Here am I. 5 And he said, Draw not nigh hither: put off thy shoes from off thy feet, for the place whereon thou standest is holy ground. 6 Moreover he said, I am the God of thy father, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob. And Moses hid his face; for he was afraid to look upon God. [/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Geneva, Helvetica] 7 And the LORD said, I have surely seen the affliction of my people which are in Egypt, and have heard their cry by reason of their taskmasters; for I know their sorrows; 8 And I am come down to deliver them out of the hand of the Egyptians, --Exodus 3

Poe, stick to English. You are good at that. You are beyond weak in things of the Spirit.

GOD created all the world you see around you, and HE did it in 6 literal days.

In the New C.S.A. science would be taught correctly.

Here would be some of our required reading:

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He Who Thinks Has To Believe By: Dr. A. E. Wilder-Smith
Publisher: The Word For Today
A fictional analogy about a lost "prehistoric" tribe confronted with modern-day secular philosophies regarding the existence of a Creator God.

The Scientific Alternative To
Neo-Darwinian Evolutionary Theory By: Dr. A. E. Wilder-Smith
Publisher: The Word For Today
Modern Darwinism is in a constant state of flux. New theories are developed almost daily to try to explain away the obvious difficulties presented by advancing science, often casting off the existence of a Creator. Here we present the scientific alternative to Neo-Darwinism.

Fulfilled Journey By: Dr. A. E. Wilder-Smith & Beate Wilder-Smith
Publisher: The Word For Today
As a true pioneer of the alternatives to evolutionary theory, Dr. A. E. Wilder-Smith fearlessly confronted the seemingly all-powerful theory of evolution in universities and churches all over the world. This book recounts the inspiring and delightful story of his life and the amazing work that God called him to. Beate, Dr. Wilder-Smith's wife, also tells her part of the story.

Man's Origin, Man's Destiny By: Dr. A. E. Wilder-Smith
Publisher: The Word For Today
In recent history mankind has undergone a complete reversal of perspective on the origins of the human race from one of belief in the supernatural to another which proposes a purely naturalistic explanation of the meaning and sanctity of life. The inevitable result is that men no longer have a clear sense of purpose. Only by understanding the origin of all things can we hope to regain our focus on who we are now and what is our eternal destiny.

The Time Dimension By: Dr. A. E. Wilder-Smith
Publisher: The Word For Today
Today's science is noted for quoting exceedingly long time spans for the history of the proposed evolution of life on earth. In this book, Dr. Wilder-Smith challenges such thinking on the basis of some of the latest developments in information theory, quantum physics and radiometric dating.

The Creation Of Life By: Dr. A. E. Wilder-Smith
Publisher: The Word For Today
A classic, exposing scientif materialism and concluding that to have an efficient design you must have an efficient designer.

The Natural Sciences Know Nothing Of Evolution By: Dr. A. E. Wilder-Smith
Publisher: The Word For Today
The Natural Sciences themselves are contrary to the theory of evolution as is demonstrated in detail in this challenging thesis.

http://www.wildersmith.org/books.htm

SOLA FIDE.