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Creating a New Nation! The New C.S.A. (2)

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Maybe the C.S.A. can create a national Rollerball league that sinners are drafted into. Then the good Christian folks can watch them kill each other off. You know, follow God's orders and keep the people entertained.

"And look...that spitter-on-sidewalks and that disrespectful brat who didn't eat his vegetables got creamed in a ball of fire--PRAISE JAY-SUS!"

The overall concept worked for the Romans.
 
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Except that is still force.

Unless, you plan on paying for anyone who comes forward saying they no longer want to live in that country to leave including a new home, a plane ticket and any other costs.

No.

It's called freedom to move out of our country. Love it or leave it.

Once again, this is based off of the idea that we would buy an island or a chunk of Australia, or some other country that was not populated or that had a very small populace.

If you are talking about all the Southern States of the U.S. then yea, we'd have some problems. But even then, it would not be impossible. And I have no problem with using force to make someone do what is right. Just like the police have no problem with MAKING you go to jail when you are being a vile rapist. I would have no problem with MAKING a homosexual leave the C.S.A..

Q. Was it not force that GOD used in the flood?

Q. Was it not force in Korah's rebellion?

Q. Is this not FORCE:

[FONT=Arial, Geneva, Helvetica]12 After this He went down to Capernaum, He, His mother, His brothers, and His disciples; and they did not stay there many days. 13 Now the Passover of the Jews was at hand, and Jesus went up to Jerusalem. 14 And He found in the temple those who sold oxen and sheep and doves, and the moneychangers doing business. 15 When He had made a whip of cords, He drove them all out of the temple, with the sheep and the oxen, and poured out the changers' money and overturned the tables. 16 And He said to those who sold doves, "Take these things away! Do not make My Father's house a house of merchandise!" --John 2

:eek::eek::eek:

OH NO!!! YOU MEAN TO TELL ME THAT JESUS USED FORCE!!! OH NO!!!

FORCE! It is what is needed sometimes. :thumbsup:

SOLI DEO GLORIA.
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Maybe the C.S.A. can create a national Rollerball league that sinners are drafted into. Then the good Christian folks can watch them kill each other off. You know, follow God's orders and keep the people entertained.

"And look...that spitter-on-sidewalks and that disrespectful brat who didn't eat his vegetables got creamed in a ball of fire--PRAISE JAY-SUS!"

The overall concept worked for the Romans.

The bow of God's wrath is bent, and the arrow made ready on the string, and justice bends the arrow at your heart, and strains the bow, and it is nothing but the mere pleasure of God, and that of an angry God, without any promise or obligation at all, that keeps the arrow one moment from being made drunk with your blood. Thus all you that never passed under a great change of heart,
by the mighty power of the Spirit of God upon your souls; all you that were never born again, and made new creatures, and raised from being dead in sin, to a state of new, and before altogether unexperienced light and life, are in the hands of an angry God. However you may have reformed your life in many things, and may have had religious affections, and may keep up a form of religion in your families and closets, and in the house of God, it is nothing but his mere pleasure that keeps you from being this moment swallowed up in everlasting destruction. However unconvinced you may now be of the truth of what you hear, by and by you will be fully convinced of it. Those that are gone from being in the like circumstances with you, see that it was so with them; for destruction came suddenly upon most of them; when they expected nothing of it, and while they were saying, Peace and safety: now they see, that those things on which they depended for peace and safety, were nothing but thin air and empty shadows. --J. Edwards.

SOLA FIDE.
 
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No.

It's called freedom to move out of our country. Love it or leave it.

Once again, this is based off of the idea that we would buy an island or a chunk of Australia, or some other country that was not populated or that had a very small populace.

The point is that you've changed your position from
"We're going to hang sinners in the town square!"
to, "We're going to politely give sinners every opportunity to leave peacefully."

While this shift in attitude may score you some points with the people on this forum, it's going to infuriate the people of the C.S.A., who, being Godly born-again Bible-believing types, are going to be very disappointed in what appears to be you going soft on God's command to put sinners to death.


If you are talking about all the Southern States of the U.S. then yea, we'd have some problems. But even then, it would not be impossible. And I have no problem with using force to make someone do what is right. Just like the police have no problem with MAKING you go to jail when you are being a vile rapist. I would have no problem with MAKING a homosexual leave the C.S.A..

Except that's not what God has commanded you to do -- and it's certainly not what you promised the people of the C.S.A. you'd do.

The police also have no problem MAKING you take a lethal injection when you're a serial killer. If you have a problem MAKING a homosexual hang by the neck, then the people of the C.S.A. won't have any problem MAKING you hang and replacing you.

Q. Was it not force that GOD used in the flood?

Q. Was it not force in Korah's rebellion?

Q. Is this not FORCE:

[FONT=Arial, Geneva, Helvetica]12 After this He went down to Capernaum, He, His mother, His brothers, and His disciples; and they did not stay there many days. 13 Now the Passover of the Jews was at hand, and Jesus went up to Jerusalem. 14 And He found in the temple those who sold oxen and sheep and doves, and the moneychangers doing business. 15 When He had made a whip of cords, He drove them all out of the temple, with the sheep and the oxen, and poured out the changers' money and overturned the tables. 16 And He said to those who sold doves, "Take these things away! Do not make My Father's house a house of merchandise!" --John 2[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, Geneva, Helvetica]:eek::eek::eek:[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, Geneva, Helvetica]OH NO!!! YOU MEAN TO TELL ME THAT JESUS USED FORCE!!! OH NO!!! [/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, Geneva, Helvetica]FORCE! It is what is needed sometimes. :thumbsup:[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, Geneva, Helvetica]SOLI DEO GLORIA.[/FONT]

If Jesus used force, then you should as well -- that includes the FORCE to carry out your original promise to hang these people, not exile them.

After all -- both God and the pople will FORCE you to do so.
 
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I think this is the kind of world SOF would have us live in.

Chilling...:eek:

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Melancholy said:
I think this is the kind of world SOF would have us live in.

Chilling...:eek:

Or perhaps it would be much like the Republic of Gilead in Atwood's book, The Handmaid's Tale. The Republic of Gilead is eerily similar to SOF's CSA.
It's almost as if SOF read Atwood's book regarding Gilead and said "hey, what a great idea!!"

The Republic of Gilead

The government of the United States was overthrown several years before the opening of the novel. The country has been taken over by Christian fundamentalists who have abrogated the constitution and founded a theocratic state. This Republic of Gilead is ruled through Biblical fundamentalism and rigid enforcement of social roles vaguely resembling Dominionism. Most citizens, and all women, have been stripped of their freedoms. This revolution succeeded because terrorist acts caused the populace to become fearful, suspend criticism of the government, and accept "temporary" measures that became permanent.

This theocracy was planned by conservative Christians, based on their interpretation of Biblical law. The state religion, which draws on an evangelical version of Christianity, is the only system of belief that is allowed. The rulers believe they have a cultural mandate to create and govern this new society, aspects of which are based on harsh interpretations of the Old Testament. For example, the most severe form of punishment is public stoning to death, the so-called "particution" (participatory execution), similar to justice under the Taliban in Afghanistan.

The military dictatorship has proclaimed martial law as "hordes of guerrillas" are said to roam the countryside. All those who threaten the ideology of Gilead, and those who will not repent — political and religious dissidents, pro-choice advocates (called "abortionists"), and homosexuals (who are accused of "gender treachery") — are executed by hanging and their bodies displayed at "The Wall". Those who do not conform to the new norms are pressed into service as servants or deported to "the colonies", unspecified regions where pollution has reached toxic levels, where they presumably face hard labour and an early death. Women must submit to men and no longer have any civil rights.
 
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You have no idea what you are talking about. You should read some of my posts and educate yourself.

Sola Gratia.
no, sir, you're saying "If you're gay, you will either be forced to leave, or forced to be hanged."

how is that not force?

Love it or leave it? No, a true patriot sticks around and tries to CHANGE what is obviously wrong, even if that means giving their life. "Give me liberty or give me death."

Love it or Change it.

THATS the American way.

I think you just like arguing with people, even when you know you're wrong.

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so, care to answer my question pertaining to women being forced to marry their brothers in law if they're widowed? what if she doesn't, but he does? Will the Bible always take the patriarchal/masogynistic side?
 
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Or perhaps it would be much like the Republic of Gilead in Atwood's book, The Handmaid's Tale. The Republic of Gilead is eerily similar to SOF's CSA.
It's almost as if SOF read Atwood's book regarding Gilead and said "hey, what a great idea!!"
I've just read the synopsis and the link you gave me, I must put that book on my to read list:thumbsup: .


I would say I can't believe there are people who want a world like this, but unfortunatley I am not so niaeve these days.:sigh:
 
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I've just read the synopsis and the link you gave me, I must put that book on my to read list:thumbsup: .


I would say I can't believe there are people who want a world like this, but unfortunatley I am not so niaeve these days.:sigh:

Might I mention a couple more books?

If This Goes On by Robert Heinlein. The story of the end of the reign of the Prophets in America. Somewhat military in nature as the Hero John Lyle is a military man. One little thing that can change the focus of the story that you will not find in any synopsis is a detail from another story by Heinlein 'Logic of Empire'. It is a mention by a very nice lady, a kind lady, a good lady who is talking about the comming golden age that is starting with Nemiah Schudder (sp) leading revival meetings. Same to become the first of the Prophets. It adds a level of irony and actually fear. It makes it all but sure that the roots of the empire that dies in 'If This Goes On' were at the least well intentioned.

The other is "Rules of Engagement" by Elizabeth Moon. Strictly military. One of a series, but quite followable without having read any that came before. All I will say is that the main enemy power faced by the heroine is "The New Texas God Fearing Militia", that and while I found them vile Moon is able to create some characters who are true believers who are still kind and impossible as it seems Feminists in the best sense of the word when it all hits the fan. (This one is not for the sensitive, if gang rape bothers you stay away as the nasty parts just start there).
 
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In his latest posts, I do believe SoF bought himself a place on the next cattle-car in his wretched C.S.A.

You see, he talked about forcing people from their homes--which, by definition, means taking something (property) by force. There's a word for that: theft (or, to be technically precise, robbery).

Now, what did the Old Testament mandate for thieves?

That's right, SoF. This way to showers and delousing...
 
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I've just read the synopsis and the link you gave me, I must put that book on my to read list:thumbsup: .


I would say I can't believe there are people who want a world like this, but unfortunatley I am not so niaeve these days.:sigh:

It's hard for me to believe that people want to live in this kind of filth that we are living in now.

I am not naive, and I understand that there is evil and vileness running wild in this country. That is why it would be awesome to create a good, kind, holy nation from scratch.

That would be cool.

SOLA GRATIA.
 
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Love it or leave it? No, a true patriot sticks around and tries to CHANGE what is obviously wrong, even if that means giving their life. "Give me liberty or give me death."

Love it or Change it.

THATS the American way.

I think you just like arguing with people, even when you know you're wrong.

So you agree with me that this hell-bent running as fast as we can toward the flames of Sodom has to stop?!!! :amen:

But you also know that without blood shed, that will not happen.

You also know that we can't do that as Christians. We have to obey the laws of the land. And since there are more godless heathens that want to flush the laws and Word of God down the drain, than there are good Christian folk; that creates a problem. Right?

So an alternative to a bloody revolution/ civil war; is the New C.S.A..

We are in agreement. Thanx. :thumbsup:

SOLA GRATIA.
 
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So you agree with me that this hell-bent running as fast as we can toward the flames of Sodom has to stop?!!! :amen:

But you also know that without blood shed, that will not happen.

You also know that we can't do that as Christians. We have to obey the laws of the land. And since there are more godless heathens that want to flush the laws and Word of God down the drain, than there are good Christian folk; that creates a problem. Right?

So an alternative to a bloody revolution/ civil war; is the New C.S.A..

We are in agreement. Thanx. :thumbsup:

SOLA GRATIA.
So you're advocating the genocide of non-christians?

Righto, see you in the Hague.
 
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So you agree with me that this hell-bent running as fast as we can toward the flames of Sodom has to stop?!!! :amen:

But you also know that without blood shed, that will not happen.

You also know that we can't do that as Christians. We have to obey the laws of the land. And since there are more godless heathens that want to flush the laws and Word of God down the drain, than there are good Christian folk; that creates a problem. Right?

So an alternative to a bloody revolution/ civil war; is the New C.S.A..

We are in agreement. Thanx. :thumbsup:

SOLA GRATIA.

Thanx?

I think chat speak is a sin. :( Or at least it should be.
 
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So you agree with me that this hell-bent running as fast as we can toward the flames of Sodom has to stop?!!! :amen:

But you also know that without blood shed, that will not happen.

You also know that we can't do that as Christians. We have to obey the laws of the land. And since there are more godless heathens that want to flush the laws and Word of God down the drain, than there are good Christian folk; that creates a problem. Right?

So an alternative to a bloody revolution/ civil war; is the New C.S.A..

We are in agreement. Thanx. :thumbsup:

SOLA GRATIA.
no, bloodshed does not have to happen.

It does not have to.

Nor does forcing people from their home (if they are 'devitants') have to happen.

There is a reason why this country does not exist; God does not want it, ie, no one wants it.

There are only a few people that agree with you SoF; you think a country can survive with only a small handful of people that won't leave as refugees?

I would run away; I was a disobedient child at one time. I'd hate to get executed for it.

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Still, you havn't told me about the widow thing. And you havn't answered me bc you think I don't respect you, but I do; I just don't respect your 'ideals'. So please, go ahead and answer.
 
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So you agree with me that this hell-bent running as fast as we can toward the flames of Sodom has to stop?!!! :amen:

But you also know that without blood shed, that will not happen.

You also know that we can't do that as Christians. We have to obey the laws of the land. And since there are more godless heathens that want to flush the laws and Word of God down the drain, than there are good Christian folk; that creates a problem. Right?

So an alternative to a bloody revolution/ civil war; is the New C.S.A..

We are in agreement. Thanx. :thumbsup:

SOLA GRATIA.
the thing is, there'd be a bloody revolution from the people trying to start the CSA vs the people who lived in those lands before the CSA was conceived.

Another war in "the name of 'god'" which God will be upset from.

People will ALWAYS be full-speed into Gamorrah. Theres nothing that can stop this; sin, is sin. Sin will happen everywhere.

And advocating capital punishment for any sin without a fair trial for that sin seems like it only fuels the problem.

Resistance = more resistance.

People have always had a way of rebelling against the govt if they're not happy. and since more people wouldn't agree with the CSA, the CSA would lose any war with its involvement. The UN would condemn the CSA as a 'rogue nation' and the USA would most likely destroy it, like the USA destroys everything it sees as a threat to it.
 
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